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  • Spunky
    I need a beer
    • Jun 2002
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    #51
    I think it actually looks pretty good

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    • galleryseek
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      • Mar 2002
      • 8234

      #52
      Originally posted by KRL
      A whole new layout is coming up. The designers from this last iteration were let go.



      Here's a sample of the new look.

      http://www.men.com/automotive/
      yes, it does look a lot better.. but i have some suggestions.

      the "3d" logo you have has to go. the 3 slashes /// just look gay being belevel'd like that.

      the left menu with the subheadings, gray with the white text is bad. it's not very readable.

      not sure if i'm too hot on that font for "feature story" and "test drive"

      the "automotive bloggers" white font against the yellow is very bad, not readable at all.

      also not too sure if i like the whole "AUTOMOTIVE" top bar yellow ->black gradient.


      work on those few things and it'll be more solid. but even as is, it's a lot better than the current men.com. but as a few others mentioned, a new design might be better, lol.
      Last edited by galleryseek; 01-21-2006, 12:43 PM.

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      • SilverTab
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        • Nov 2001
        • 5060

        #53
        new design looks much better...
        mmm my sig was too big... no more cool animation
        but hey still! need php? ICQ: 94586959

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        • emthree
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          • Jun 2003
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          #54
          Money cannot buy bright ideas. It can just pay staff to do what they were told to do.
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          • uno
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            • Dec 2002
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            #55
            New design is much better, but come on, KRL! How long has it been?
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            • emthree
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              • Jun 2003
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              #56
              The new layout does however look nice.

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              • KRL
                Entrepreneur
                • Oct 2002
                • 31429

                #57
                Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                If no one else will say it... i will. after everything i have seen so far and all the shit talking you did... i think YOU should be let go.

                Hahaha, real funny.

                Bottom line is domain values have gone up. So the bottom line is exciting and that's what counts.

                Also, I don't run the site. I'm just one of the partners in it.
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                • John Marco
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                  • May 2005
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                  #58
                  they should turn it into a gay dating site and it would do much better
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                  • KRL
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                    • Oct 2002
                    • 31429

                    #59
                    Originally posted by galleryseek
                    yes, it does look a lot better.. but i have some suggestions.

                    the "3d" logo you have has to go. the 3 slashes /// just look gay being belevel'd like that.

                    the left menu with the subheadings, gray with the white text is bad. it's not very readable.

                    not sure if i'm too hot on that font for "feature story" and "test drive"

                    the "automotive bloggers" white font against the yellow is very bad, not readable at all.

                    also not too sure if i like the whole "AUTOMOTIVE" top bar yellow ->black gradient.


                    work on those few things and it'll be more solid. but even as is, it's a lot better than the current men.com. but as a few others mentioned, a new design might be better, lol.
                    To be honest, I don't like the logo either. I thought the one we had in year 1 was nicer. Trying to get a group of partners, designers, and staff to all agree on what everyone likes is a lot of work. So at the end of the day you have to compromise and find the middle ground that keeps everyone happy.

                    I was involved in the corporate end of Men for just the acquisition and the first year of the launch to get things up and going. After that we turned it over to a team to run everything. If the team fails, we'll get another team. That's how business works. Simple as that.
                    Last edited by KRL; 01-21-2006, 01:04 PM.
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                    • webbydeb
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                      • Jan 2006
                      • 56

                      #60
                      Originally posted by GatorB
                      So. If looks mattered then his visitors would say "Wow this place looks so sucky I'm going to a nicer looking site". They don't. Why? Content matters not looks. Only part of "looks" that matters is navigation. Meaning making it easy for surfers to find the content they are looking for.
                      You've got it...it's always been that way. Folks who design websites are the very few looking critically at a logo or header.

                      Content is what's important...and that they can find their way through the site.
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                      • webbydeb
                        Registered User
                        • Jan 2006
                        • 56

                        #61
                        Wow, you guys are really bitchy by the way! For christs sake...there's ways to offer suggestions without cutting someone's balls off.

                        You guys better play nice or I'll have to seperate your asses...
                        deb

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                        • SilverTab
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                          • Nov 2001
                          • 5060

                          #62
                          Originally posted by webbydeb
                          You've got it...it's always been that way. Folks who design websites are the very few looking critically at a logo or header.

                          Content is what's important...and that they can find their way through the site.

                          you obviously think that way because your site has the same kind of "simple and not so pretty" design...

                          Design/Presentation IS an important aspect of sale...so is content...both are...

                          same thing happens in mainstream, and even off the net!...Its kinda like an ad on TV where the company asked their president to do the commercial, VS. a company who hires an actor/proffessional and a marketting team to do the job....

                          you can spot the ones who get it done by their president...they always look cheap and the guy obviously cant speak on TV...and the result is...ugly...and wheter you like it or not, it will impact on sale, and on the trust people will put into your company....
                          mmm my sig was too big... no more cool animation
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                          • psili
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                            • Apr 2003
                            • 5526

                            #63
                            Originally posted by KRL
                            To be honest, I don't like the logo either. I thought the one we had in year 1 was nicer. Trying to get a group of partners, designers, and staff to all agree on what everyone likes is a lot of work. So at the end of the day you have to compromise and find the middle ground that keeps everyone happy.

                            I was involved in the corporate end of Men for just the acquisition and the first year of the launch to get things up and going. After that we turned it over to a team to run everything. If the team fails, we'll get another team. That's how business works. Simple as that.
                            You've said it.
                            Others have said it.
                            I'll say it.

                            Haters are everywhere.

                            Fuck them and fuck their opinion if they offer no solid advice. 99% of people on this board would shit their pants to be able to work with "men.com". Only a select few opinions should be taken into account; whoever they are.

                            My post and every other post in this thread should just be disregarded as nonsense.
                            Your post count means nothing.

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                            • SilverTab
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                              • Nov 2001
                              • 5060

                              #64
                              a LOT of people love things that are aesthetically pleasant. Not just designers...
                              mmm my sig was too big... no more cool animation
                              but hey still! need php? ICQ: 94586959

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                              • SilverTab
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                                • Nov 2001
                                • 5060

                                #65
                                Originally posted by psili
                                Fuck them and fuck their opinion if they offer no solid advice. 99% of people on this board would shit their pants to be able to work with "men.com". Only a select few opinions should be taken into account; whoever they are.


                                oh thats for sure!...at the end of the day, its all just words on a msg board!
                                mmm my sig was too big... no more cool animation
                                but hey still! need php? ICQ: 94586959

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                                • psili
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                                  • Apr 2003
                                  • 5526

                                  #66
                                  Originally posted by SilverTab
                                  oh thats for sure!...at the end of the day, its all just words on a msg board!
                                  If ever I'm in a sad mood, I just think of your sig and I'm all pleasant again.
                                  Many reasons why.
                                  Too lazy to write them down.
                                  Your post count means nothing.

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                                  • SilverTab
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                                    • Nov 2001
                                    • 5060

                                    #67
                                    Originally posted by psili
                                    If ever I'm in a sad mood, I just think of your sig and I'm all pleasant again.
                                    Many reasons why.
                                    Too lazy to write them down.

                                    hey, glad you like it!
                                    mmm my sig was too big... no more cool animation
                                    but hey still! need php? ICQ: 94586959

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                                    • devilspost
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                                      • Feb 2004
                                      • 3980

                                      #68
                                      When all is said and done men.com is a gay name that would be great for a gay dating portal and gay links to gay sites. Thats it forget about askmen.com you are not going to do that or maxim.com or anything else... go gay.com. That is free advice no charge and just like the last time I gave advice, fire every one and make a nice "GAY" ENTER button.

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                                      • webbydeb
                                        Registered User
                                        • Jan 2006
                                        • 56

                                        #69
                                        Originally posted by SilverTab
                                        you obviously think that way because your site has the same kind of "simple and not so pretty" design...

                                        Design/Presentation IS an important aspect of sale...so is content...both are...

                                        same thing happens in mainstream, and even off the net!...Its kinda like an ad on TV where the company asked their president to do the commercial, VS. a company who hires an actor/proffessional and a marketting team to do the job....

                                        you can spot the ones who get it done by their president...they always look cheap and the guy obviously cant speak on TV...and the result is...ugly...and wheter you like it or not, it will impact on sale, and on the trust people will put into your company....
                                        Of course my designs are simple...I'm not selling design services, I'm selling memberships to a bondage site and have a website for my REAL LIFE adult club. I can guarantee you that what counts is being easy and simple. Clearly ugly isn't what I mean....being aestheticly pleasing is good, but if that's all you got, then you don't have much.

                                        ...and screw you...my designs are pretty! And they certainly don't look like any other porn site.
                                        deb

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                                        • webbydeb
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                                          • Jan 2006
                                          • 56

                                          #70
                                          Oh...and Wendy's didn't do so poorly with Dave...Kentucky Fried with the Colonel, and General Motors with Lee Iacocca...

                                          ...other than that, I guess I'd agree with ya.
                                          deb

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                                          • SilverTab
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Nov 2001
                                            • 5060

                                            #71
                                            Your design is simple, and probably works well, but its not what I would consider a great design, sorry...


                                            and again, with Wendys and etc...you are talking about companies that are ALREADY established...different...same thing than The Hun...

                                            We are talking about a NEW SITE who wants to set himself as THE portal for men...tottally different...but its been said already so I guess im just beating a dead horse...

                                            I only quoted you because you said in your posts that no one cared about a nice design except for designers...which is totally not true...
                                            mmm my sig was too big... no more cool animation
                                            but hey still! need php? ICQ: 94586959

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                                            • SilverTab
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                                              • Nov 2001
                                              • 5060

                                              #72
                                              and of course content matter!...no one here said that content didnt matter!

                                              we are just saying that design AND content BOTH matter...jeez
                                              mmm my sig was too big... no more cool animation
                                              but hey still! need php? ICQ: 94586959

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                                              • Rui
                                                web
                                                • Dec 2001
                                                • 9533

                                                #73
                                                Originally posted by JamesK
                                                Looks much better
                                                Its not like the current one is any good......

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                                                • John Marco
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                                                  • May 2005
                                                  • 912

                                                  #74
                                                  Originally posted by devilspost
                                                  When all is said and done men.com is a gay name that would be great for a gay dating portal and gay links to gay sites. Thats it forget about askmen.com you are not going to do that or maxim.com or anything else... go gay.com. That is free advice no charge and just like the last time I gave advice, fire every one and make a nice "GAY" ENTER button.

                                                  good advice
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                                                  • toddler
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                                                    • Jun 2002
                                                    • 1911

                                                    #75
                                                    Originally posted by KRL
                                                    To be honest, I don't like the logo either. I thought the one we had in year 1 was nicer. Trying to get a group of partners, designers, and staff to all agree on what everyone likes is a lot of work. So at the end of the day you have to compromise and find the middle ground that keeps everyone happy.

                                                    I was involved in the corporate end of Men for just the acquisition and the first year of the launch to get things up and going. After that we turned it over to a team to run everything. If the team fails, we'll get another team. That's how business works. Simple as that.

                                                    Lack of forethough and planning will just end up making it a failure. You were oh so very proud of 'your' purchase back when, but your execution is a joke. Spinning a new team every year just hows your inability to learn from your mistakes and hire a real time to begin with.
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                                                    • u-Bob
                                                      there's no $$$ in porn
                                                      • Jul 2005
                                                      • 33063

                                                      #76
                                                      Originally posted by Equinox
                                                      what a piece of shit website
                                                      what he said.

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                                                      • jonesy
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                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                        • 6688

                                                        #77
                                                        Originally posted by devilspost

                                                        men.com is a gay name that would be great for a gay dating portal and gay links to gay sites.

                                                        Thats it
                                                        a voice of reason in a sea of bullshit.
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                                                        • chadglni
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                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                          • 6924

                                                          #78
                                                          Originally posted by KRL
                                                          A whole new layout is coming up. The designers from this last iteration were let go.



                                                          Here's a sample of the new look.

                                                          http://www.men.com/automotive/
                                                          For the love of Christ please center the motherfucker.


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                                                          • chadglni
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                                                            • Dec 2002
                                                            • 6924

                                                            #79
                                                            Originally posted by SilverTab
                                                            Your design is simple, and probably works well, but its not what I would consider a great design, sorry...


                                                            and again, with Wendys and etc...you are talking about companies that are ALREADY established...different...same thing than The Hun...

                                                            We are talking about a NEW SITE who wants to set himself as THE portal for men...tottally different...but its been said already so I guess im just beating a dead horse...

                                                            I only quoted you because you said in your posts that no one cared about a nice design except for designers...which is totally not true...
                                                            No simple is good. If Google hasn't proven this to you by now nothing will. Ebay, Yahoo, Google, and a myriad of other HUGE ass sites are simple. Ease of use and content rank 1 and 2 while a pretty design that artsy fags will masturbate over ranks at around 3000 on the importance meter. We're glad you can make designs that people go WOW over but that isn't what makes people click.


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                                                            • Shoehorn!
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                                                              • Oct 2003
                                                              • 22872

                                                              #80
                                                              Originally posted by SilverTab
                                                              no, but it looks like men.com was!...

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                                                              • phonesex
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                                                                • Mar 2005
                                                                • 3437

                                                                #81
                                                                I agree. Men.com could be big making big $$$.

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                                                                • Doctor Dre
                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                  • Jan 2001
                                                                  • 51692

                                                                  #82
                                                                  All you guys can hate, but the new design and articles KRL posted definitly are a lot more work then the average medium tgp puts in his site...

                                                                  Center the page and it looks aiight, and it's simple to navigat.e
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                                                                  • SilverTab
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                                                                    • Nov 2001
                                                                    • 5060

                                                                    #83
                                                                    Originally posted by chadglni
                                                                    No simple is good. If Google hasn't proven this to you by now nothing will.Ebay, Yahoo, Google, and a myriad of other HUGE ass sites are simple. Ease of use and content rank 1 and 2 while a pretty design that artsy fags will masturbate over ranks at around 3000 on the importance meter.


                                                                    I never said simple wasnt good!

                                                                    Ebay, google blah blah, they are all simple, but the design is also CLEAN, NICE and professional!...Man if you cant see my point by looking at men.com right now then I just dont know what to say...the colors arent nice, the design itself doesnt look eighter clean, nor good...

                                                                    Originally posted by chadglni
                                                                    We're glad you can make designs that people go WOW over but that isn't what makes people click.
                                                                    WTF?? Im not a designer, im a programmer..
                                                                    mmm my sig was too big... no more cool animation
                                                                    but hey still! need php? ICQ: 94586959

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                                                                    • Veterans Day
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                                                                      • Jul 2003
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                                                                      #84
                                                                      Originally posted by SilverTab


                                                                      WTF?? Im not a designer, im a programmer..
                                                                      barely a programmer at that
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                                                                      • shuki
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                                                                        • Aug 2004
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                                                                        #85
                                                                        Ebay is not simple. Have you seen the sitmap on that thing?
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                                                                        • SilverTab
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                                                                          • Nov 2001
                                                                          • 5060

                                                                          #86
                                                                          Originally posted by Veterans Day
                                                                          barely a programmer at that

                                                                          dumbass....
                                                                          mmm my sig was too big... no more cool animation
                                                                          but hey still! need php? ICQ: 94586959

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                                                                          • webair
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                                                                            • Feb 2002
                                                                            • 8531

                                                                            #87
                                                                            works fine for me in FF not th eprettiest site on the by far =))

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                                                                            • TheDoc
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                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                              • 13827

                                                                              #88
                                                                              The site has a crap header and a bad choice of header colors. The rest of the site is a bit messy, but it isn't so bad, still easy to work with.

                                                                              The design / colors of the site will effect how many people return and bookmark the site. Simple, clean, professional, looking layouts often relate to ease of use, safety, and a secure place to be online and shop at.

                                                                              For a product like men.com to be in black & blue, a nasty menu at the top, with a messy layout is a bad choice for marketing and building trust with your visitors. It?s not a porn site, it isn?t a bondage site, it?s not a personal home page. It should look professional, it doesn?t have to graphic heavy, it just shouldn?t look like the design cost them $10.
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                                                                              • eroswebmaster
                                                                                March 1st, 2003
                                                                                • Jul 2001
                                                                                • 20295

                                                                                #89
                                                                                Originally posted by webbydeb
                                                                                You've got it...it's always been that way. Folks who design websites are the very few looking critically at a logo or header.

                                                                                Content is what's important...and that they can find their way through the site.
                                                                                someone posted a study that for mainstream content sites, content is not that important on first look design was.

                                                                                so I don't have to spend the rest of the day defending someone elses statement...LOL Let me clarify...that's not taking into account existing members, readers, bookmarkers etc. of the site.

                                                                                This is mainstream they are talking about..sites with a lot of reading...they were saying that people would take X amount of seconds to look at the site and what kept the around was DESIGN
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                                                                                • BradM
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                                                                                  • Dec 2003
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                                                                                  #90
                                                                                  Originally posted by KRL
                                                                                  Hahaha, real funny.

                                                                                  Bottom line is domain values have gone up. So the bottom line is exciting and that's what counts.

                                                                                  Also, I don't run the site. I'm just one of the partners in it.
                                                                                  Thought you owned it?

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                                                                                  • vvq
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                                                                                    • Feb 2004
                                                                                    • 2732

                                                                                    #91
                                                                                    I'm guessing a decent amount of the type in trafic is from gay guys. Seriously how many straight men would ever type in men.com out of curiosity looking for a Maxim style site? I know I wouldn't. It's a gay domain.

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                                                                                    • Brujah
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                                                                                      • Jan 2001
                                                                                      • 22157

                                                                                      #92
                                                                                      The new design looks much better. The old design looked cheap, and made me want to move on to the next. It left me with the perception that any content on the site is just "filler" grade material. The current one had me pause and look around. It gave me a first impression that there's likely to be quality content.

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                                                                                      • SilverTab
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                                                                                        • Nov 2001
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                                                                                        #93
                                                                                        TheDoc and eroswebmaster:

                                                                                        Thanks for your common sense LOL...I was starting to think that everyone in this thread was convinced that design/look is useless... LOL
                                                                                        mmm my sig was too big... no more cool animation
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                                                                                        • DaddyHalbucks
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                                                                                          • Feb 2004
                                                                                          • 18975

                                                                                          #94
                                                                                          Originally posted by KRL

                                                                                          Also, I don't run the site. I'm just one of the partners in it.

                                                                                          Who are the other partners?
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                                                                                          • aflex
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                                                                                            • Oct 2002
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                                                                                            #95
                                                                                            an international gay dating site would be huge with that domain
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                                                                                            • KRL
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                                                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                                                              • 31429

                                                                                              #96
                                                                                              Originally posted by BradM
                                                                                              Thought you owned it?
                                                                                              I do. Every major domain acquisition that has to be developed into a full scale content rich site, especially in that price range, is done with at least 2 or 3 main guys and a staff team to manage the day to day operations. Same way like the Sex.com acquisition was just done. Its too much risk, work, and time for one person to manage. There's also more investment risk safety with a group.
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                                                                                              • sfera
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                                                                                                #97
                                                                                                sad to see a good domian go to waste

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                                                                                                • slapass
                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                  • Nov 2002
                                                                                                  • 14625

                                                                                                  #98
                                                                                                  The facts are that a great domain does not make a great site. The twelve year olds that do type ins are not buyers so you need to sell them right away with PPC or trade them for real surfers.

                                                                                                  So what KRL is doing is building s ite form the ground up and I am sure that is hard without major cash in flows.

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                                                                                                  • Pleasurepays
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                                                                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                                                                    • 11913

                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                    Originally posted by KRL
                                                                                                    I was involved in the corporate end of Men for just the acquisition and the first year of the launch to get things up and going. After that we turned it over to a team to run everything. If the team fails, we'll get another team. That's how business works. Simple as that.
                                                                                                    thats not how business works. you need vision, great leadership, great planning and great execution... all those things you seem to be missing. in fact, from everything you have done with it so far, you have not even shown that you are even remotely close to doing anything with that domain. your justification for the purchase price was the ability to sell mainstream advertising and all you have created so far after all this time is abortion after abortion and you blame it on "the team". who chooses these "teams"? that same logic absolves Bush of everything he has ever done wrong.

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                                                                                                    • SleazyDream
                                                                                                      I'm here for SPORT
                                                                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                                                                      • 41470

                                                                                                      #100
                                                                                                      it's like posting you're a complete idiot critquing someone else's business without knowing financial numbers
                                                                                                      This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                                                      Now read without the word dog.

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