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  • Timbo
    Confirmed User
    • Dec 2001
    • 550

    #51
    Originally posted by NinjaSteve
    It is the responsibility of the consumer to read the terms before they join. Nothing is hidden on adult join forms and it's as easy as clicking a check box. Why would a consumer not read what they're buying on the join form? That's pretty dumb of them.
    You sir, are correct!

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    • Jason
      Confirmed User
      • Dec 2002
      • 4287

      #52
      Originally posted by RichC
      Sexxxxxxy
      I stay busy.

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      • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
        best designer on GFY
        • Mar 2003
        • 30307

        #53
        Well I am gonan go back to scratching my 2 penny's together outside my cave, next to the trailer accross from the river.

        Nice post Rich.
        Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 10-04-2007, 02:02 PM.

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        • makefuckingmoney
          Confirmed User
          • Oct 2003
          • 3277

          #54
          Originally posted by RichC

          344 posts in 6 years and probably all youtube videos. probably a bot.

          who is wedgecash anyway?

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          • BradShaw
            Confirmed User
            • Oct 2001
            • 7840

            #55
            Id rather spend my time figuring out how to join them then worrying about other peoples business practices. WEG is not exactly a fly by night operation (been doing biz with them for 8+ years), so they must be doing something right and staying within the VISA/MC guidelines.
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            • Timbo
              Confirmed User
              • Dec 2001
              • 550

              #56
              Originally posted by Shap
              You sat here for that long and that was the best reply you could come up with? Wow. If that's the case again why won't paycom and ccbill allow their clients to run that type of offer?
              Um....is that the best that YOU can come up with?
              Paycom DOES allow their clients to run these offers you idiot. Apparently, you are not one of them.

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              • RichC
                Confirmed User
                • Jul 2001
                • 368

                #57
                Originally posted by makefuckingmoney
                344 posts in 6 years and probably all youtube videos. probably a bot.

                who is wedgecash anyway?
                make it 345, and roger out
                http://youtube.com/watch?v=n-cLsNrL6W8
                I brought the flutes this time

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                • sextoyking
                  Confirmed User
                  • Dec 2001
                  • 6034

                  #58
                  Timbo,

                  As the cool kids say "Word" on Point A and Point B.

                  Shap,

                  You can always get your own merchant accounts and do as you please - you decide the risk, etc.
                  ICQ: 52344098
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                  • SykkBoy2
                    Jesus loves bacon
                    • Feb 2001
                    • 19969

                    #59
                    http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=694846

                    Secret #10 We do not make decisions based on someone else?s opinion.
                    Plenty of people disagreed with our pay site business model when we first started out. But we believed in it and we researched our decision, this is why it worked for us. Just because someone else doesn?t like your idea does not mean it is a bad one. The most important thing you can do for your future is to think through your ideas and research the validity of them. Doing this and coming up with a plan for executing your idea is 100 times more important than worrying what someone else thinks.

                    Interesting...
                    and actually pretty solid advice if I must say so myself...
                    I know I follow that advice...
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                    • Shap
                      Confirmed User
                      • May 2001
                      • 8313

                      #60
                      Originally posted by Timbo
                      Um....is that the best that YOU can come up with?
                      Paycom DOES allow their clients to run these offers you idiot. Apparently, you are not one of them.
                      Oh really? Paycom allows their clients to run free trials that offer pre checked cross sells to paid trials? Interesting. I'm sure rand will be thrilled to here you mentioning that for them.

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                      • sicone
                        Retired
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 18453

                        #61
                        I think cross sales on the join form are a great tool, but leave them unchecked and let the surfer decide. The truly are not as stupid as they were a few yrs back.

                        even better are up sales from within the members area

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                        • Mutt
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • Sep 2002
                          • 34431

                          #62
                          Originally posted by Timbo
                          Um....is that the best that YOU can come up with?
                          Paycom DOES allow their clients to run these offers you idiot. Apparently, you are not one of them.
                          Shap's an idiot? hmm - he seems to own one of the biggest most popular adult paysites on the Net and a pretty big traffic network - you on the other hand run a piece of shit program that is nothing but an upsell mill which no doubt upsells the people whose asses you kiss

                          buh bye bimbo.
                          I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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                          • Shap
                            Confirmed User
                            • May 2001
                            • 8313

                            #63
                            Originally posted by BradShaw
                            Id rather spend my time figuring out how to join them then worrying about other peoples business practices. WEG is not exactly a fly by night operation (been doing biz with them for 8+ years), so they must be doing something right and staying within the VISA/MC guidelines.
                            There is no doubt they have perfected their system and know what the fuck they are doing. At the same time I do feel this practice is hurting the future of our industry for companies like ours that run sites based on treating the surfer like a king and giving them the best service and website experience possible.

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                            • BradShaw
                              Confirmed User
                              • Oct 2001
                              • 7840

                              #64
                              The old timers are laughing to the bank... so I hear.
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                              • Shap
                                Confirmed User
                                • May 2001
                                • 8313

                                #65
                                Originally posted by sicone
                                I think cross sales on the join form are a great tool, but leave them unchecked and let the surfer decide. The truly are not as stupid as they were a few yrs back.

                                even better are up sales from within the members area
                                I agree 100%

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                                • Shap
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • May 2001
                                  • 8313

                                  #66
                                  Originally posted by BradShaw
                                  The old timers are laughing to the bank... so I hear.
                                  I don't doubt that for a second. Rape the industry today and leave a mess for someone else to clean up tomorrow.

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                                  • BradShaw
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Oct 2001
                                    • 7840

                                    #67
                                    http://youtube.com/watch?v=6ldN7fsCum8
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                                    • Timbo
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Dec 2001
                                      • 550

                                      #68
                                      Originally posted by Mutt
                                      Shap's an idiot? hmm - he seems to own one of the biggest most popular adult paysites on the Net and a pretty big traffic network - you on the other hand run a piece of shit program that is nothing but an upsell mill which no doubt upsells the people whose asses you kiss

                                      buh bye bimbo.
                                      Bimbo....haha, another idiot chimes in that thinks he knows me and my program. You know dick.

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                                      • FreeFastHost
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Oct 2001
                                        • 1588

                                        #69
                                        Money, it's a gas. Don't give me that do goody good bullshit.

                                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hkjkTe5kZE
                                        Last edited by FreeFastHost; 10-04-2007, 02:21 PM.

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                                        • webgurl
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Aug 2002
                                          • 7954

                                          #70
                                          Originally posted by Shap
                                          Oh really? Paycom allows their clients to run free trials that offer pre checked cross sells to paid trials? Interesting. I'm sure rand will be thrilled to here you mentioning that for them.
                                          When u process high volumes , you get the
                                          "special treatment" the norms don't know about especially with
                                          CCbill and Epoch

                                          Shap , i sent you 2 emails about some traffic trades
                                          and none have you replied

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                                          • Snake Doctor
                                            I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                            • Mar 2001
                                            • 13449

                                            #71
                                            I hate arguments on GFY where I happen to like both people arguing and can't get involved.
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                                            • WiredGuy
                                              Pounding Googlebot
                                              • Aug 2002
                                              • 34512

                                              #72
                                              Originally posted by Shap
                                              Oh really? Paycom allows their clients to run free trials that offer pre checked cross sells to paid trials? Interesting. I'm sure rand will be thrilled to here you mentioning that for them.
                                              As I recall, Paycom did allow that. I don't think they do anymore but may have grandfathered clients who were under the 1%. Don't quote me, but I'm pretty sure they did allow it. I don't think ccBill ever did.
                                              WG
                                              I play with Google.

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                                              • fuzebox
                                                making it rain
                                                • Oct 2003
                                                • 22352

                                                #73
                                                Interesting to see who is replying here.

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                                                • PunkRockXXX
                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                  • Mar 2007
                                                  • 486

                                                  #74
                                                  prechecked cross sales = scummiest biz tactic ever

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                                                  • aico
                                                    Moo Moo Cow
                                                    • Mar 2004
                                                    • 14748

                                                    #75
                                                    Originally posted by Lenny2
                                                    I hate arguments on GFY where I happen to like both people arguing and can't get involved.
                                                    It's perfectly ok to argue with friends and people you like, name calling is something different.

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                                                    • Shap
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • May 2001
                                                      • 8313

                                                      #76
                                                      Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                                      As I recall, Paycom did allow that. I don't think they do anymore but may have grandfathered clients who were under the 1%. Don't quote me, but I'm pretty sure they did allow it. I don't think ccBill ever did.
                                                      WG
                                                      That is the key part of my argument. THEY DID ALLOW IT! They no longer do. Why would that be? I'm sure it would have nothing to do with the refunds and chargebacks such practices generate.

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                                                      • BradShaw
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Oct 2001
                                                        • 7840

                                                        #77
                                                        Originally posted by PunkRockXXX
                                                        prechecked cross sales = scummiest biz tactic ever
                                                        Ever ordered papa johns online and seen the cross sell to the magazines? Or gone out to eat and they are like, what kind of soup/salad do you want with your meal (although its not included).


                                                        Life is one big cross sell/upsell.
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                                                        • Sly
                                                          Let's do some business!
                                                          • Sep 2004
                                                          • 31376

                                                          #78
                                                          I don't know the last time I have seen so many program owners posting in one thread... holy fuck.

                                                          Anyone have tranny exit traffic for trade? How about a good deal on 500 Mbps? How about someone to buy a new 60 inch plasma for?

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                                                          • PunkRockXXX
                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                            • Mar 2007
                                                            • 486

                                                            #79
                                                            Originally posted by BradShaw
                                                            Ever ordered papa johns online and seen the cross sell to the magazines? Or gone out to eat and they are like, what kind of soup/salad do you want with your meal (although its not included).


                                                            Life is one big cross sell/upsell.
                                                            but when you order a pizza from dominos.com do they have Cheese sticks or Extra topping prechecked ?

                                                            no

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                                                            • Digipimp
                                                              BP4L OT DL
                                                              • Mar 2003
                                                              • 13481

                                                              #80
                                                              i thought those were the keys to success in the industry. spam, rape your customers and tgp all your content!

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                                                              • Sly
                                                                Let's do some business!
                                                                • Sep 2004
                                                                • 31376

                                                                #81
                                                                You guys wouldn't believe this... the other day I set up some mail forwarding through the United States Postal Service online. They tried up selling me on 12 different magazines... I seriously shit you not. I about crapped myself.
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                                                                • Pics Traffic
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Jun 2004
                                                                  • 3055

                                                                  #82
                                                                  Originally posted by Shap
                                                                  So I see WEG cash pin their announcement about free trials. So i check it out to see what they are doing. Just as their surfers would do I click the join button and here is the signup form i get....



                                                                  So the surfers get here after clicking a page that says FREE Trial.

                                                                  They are getting a free trial (which renews at $39.17) but wait that's not all

                                                                  they also get a nice pre-checked cross sell for 3 days that costs $1.37 and renews and $34.86
                                                                  AS WELL as another 3 day free trial that renews at $39.37.

                                                                  To summarize the surfer who thought they were getting a free trial is really getting access to 3 different sites for $1.37 for 3 days and will be billed $113.40 in 3 days time.

                                                                  So I guess my question is wtf how are they doing this and staying under 1% chargebacks? The interesting thing is vipweb.com and xxxpass.com look like two bullshit sites run by either them or some other big pps company trying to bang out charges back and forth with WEG.
                                                                  If you think that’s a scam, check out that “member area”.
                                                                  Its as old as.
                                                                  My Network Is Waiting For Your Fuckin' Trade!

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                                                                  • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                                    best designer on GFY
                                                                    • Mar 2003
                                                                    • 30307

                                                                    #83

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                                                                    • Pirates>ninja
                                                                      Registered User
                                                                      • Oct 2007
                                                                      • 60

                                                                      #84
                                                                      bbaaarrrghh
                                                                      whats that little parrot? Shap is a moron?

                                                                      this pirate agrees

                                                                      bashing your competitors in an open forum is real stand up shap
                                                                      i also dislike your attitude about how rich you think you are

                                                                      id give an example of you being a total fuckin douchebag towards some people not in the business, but then my cover would be blown

                                                                      anyway

                                                                      fuck you are dumb

                                                                      now i goes back to worksi

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                                                                      • Jace
                                                                        FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                                        • Jan 2004
                                                                        • 35562

                                                                        #85
                                                                        while I don't personally agree with prechecked cross sales, they are a part of life in porn AND normal sites

                                                                        like shaw said, check out ANY godaddy order form or papa johns ordering, just to name a couple, and they are full of prechecked cross sales

                                                                        everything has them, I would never use them personally, but it is up to the credit card owner to read EVERYTHING before he signs up...if he is too horny and signs up too fast, then that is his fault for being a horny idiot

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                                                                        • SykkBoy2
                                                                          Jesus loves bacon
                                                                          • Feb 2001
                                                                          • 19969

                                                                          #86
                                                                          Originally posted by PunkRockXXX
                                                                          but when you order a pizza from dominos.com do they have Cheese sticks or Extra topping prechecked ?

                                                                          no
                                                                          Actually, pizzahut.com has this thing where if you're going to order breadsticks, it'll already have the little "1" in the larger size.

                                                                          I'm sure these guys would love to have things pre-checked....or maybe they aren't aware of what it could mean for extra sales...
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                                                                          • Jace
                                                                            FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                                            • Jan 2004
                                                                            • 35562

                                                                            #87
                                                                            Originally posted by SykkBoy2
                                                                            Actually, pizzahut.com has this thing where if you're going to order breadsticks, it'll already have the little "1" in the larger size.
                                                                            yup, they sure do

                                                                            the ONLY difference is that you eventually come to a page that gives you ALL the details of your order so you can review everything in VERY clear terms

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                                                                            • Barefootsies
                                                                              Choice is an Illusion
                                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                                              • 42635

                                                                              #88
                                                                              Originally posted by Dirty Franck
                                                                              Welcome to the internet. First time you see this?
                                                                              Should You Email Your Members?

                                                                              Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                                                              Enough Said.

                                                                              "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                                              • PunkRockXXX
                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                • Mar 2007
                                                                                • 486

                                                                                #89
                                                                                so its kinda agreed that adult prechecked sales are often "disgusted" in hopes the surfer doesnt see them correct?

                                                                                i mean why put * / ** / *** instead of price? pls spare me the bullshit of "its a formality"

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                                                                                • PunkRockXXX
                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                  • Mar 2007
                                                                                  • 486

                                                                                  #90
                                                                                  I'm all for making more money but geez...PREchecked...haha come on..

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                                                                                  • wheat
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Feb 2006
                                                                                    • 421

                                                                                    #91
                                                                                    Originally posted by peterk
                                                                                    Many sponsors are using this system and it is not a scam
                                                                                    Yes it is.

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                                                                                    • Matt 26z
                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                      • Apr 2002
                                                                                      • 18481

                                                                                      #92
                                                                                      Those of you "read the fucking terms" guys, do you honestly believe the average surfer is intending to join $100+ worth of sites at once?

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                                                                                      • Phil
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Jan 2004
                                                                                        • 7659

                                                                                        #93
                                                                                        Originally posted by Matt 26z
                                                                                        Those of you "read the fucking terms" guys, do you honestly believe the average surfer is intending to join $100+ worth of sites at once?
                                                                                        No, but thats how some people make money.
                                                                                        Ask Phil

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                                                                                        • xNetworx
                                                                                          So Fucking What
                                                                                          • Jan 2004
                                                                                          • 14445

                                                                                          #94
                                                                                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDfToFcJ2J4

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                                                                                          • BradM
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Dec 2003
                                                                                            • 3397

                                                                                            #95
                                                                                            Originally posted by Sly
                                                                                            You guys wouldn't believe this... the other day I set up some mail forwarding through the United States Postal Service online. They tried up selling me on 12 different magazines... I seriously shit you not. I about crapped myself.
                                                                                            They were all prechecked?
                                                                                            I just did too and as far as I saw, none were checked off. I had to check and agree to the terms to process the address form.

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                                                                                            • KrisKross
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Jan 2006
                                                                                              • 5025

                                                                                              #96
                                                                                              Originally posted by NinjaSteve
                                                                                              It is the responsibility of the consumer to read the terms before they join. Nothing is hidden on adult join forms and it's as easy as clicking a check box. Why would a consumer not read what they're buying on the join form? That's pretty dumb of them.
                                                                                              While I agree 100% that the consumer has the responsibility of reading things carefully, the industry should also have the responsibility to make things very clear and to not take advantage of those who don't read the terms.

                                                                                              I can't think of one legitimate reason to have sales pre-checked.

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                                                                                              • Snake Doctor
                                                                                                I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                                                • Mar 2001
                                                                                                • 13449

                                                                                                #97
                                                                                                So ummm, does anyone in this thread want to trade pre-checked cross sales?
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                                                                                                • PunkRockXXX
                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                  • Mar 2007
                                                                                                  • 486

                                                                                                  #98
                                                                                                  bump bump bump bump

                                                                                                  scum scum scum

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                                                                                                  • Pornwolf
                                                                                                    Drunk and Unruly
                                                                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                                                                    • 22712

                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                    The shadiness of that porn join form ain't got nothin on Godaddy's tricks and other popular mainstream sites.

                                                                                                    But, on the other hand, they aren't in a battle against free content so they can push their surfers a but further. Adult webmasters should know that for every surfer we lose because of shady practices there will not necessarily be another to replace him in the market. It's not exactly a zero sum game, but it's damn close now a days.
                                                                                                    I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...

                                                                                                    Webair, bitches.

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                                                                                                    • psili
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Apr 2003
                                                                                                      • 5526

                                                                                                      #100
                                                                                                      Originally posted by Lenny2
                                                                                                      So ummm, does anyone in this thread want to trade pre-checked cross sales?
                                                                                                      I made some hateful comments in a previous thread of yours, but this comment's pretty fucking funny.

                                                                                                      Makes me wonder if those who post "i have a 3 billion opted email list for sale" threads work for the same companies that post "anyone have pre-checked cross-sells for sale".
                                                                                                      Your post count means nothing.

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