Perfect 10 fucks us hard

100x perfect 10 fucking it up for webmasters

Doctor Dre is on the ball.

101 sig spots for Perfect 10 fucking it up.

You're a little late in the game aren't you ?

jep, it already cost me money, hegre traffic down 25%

thebestporn.com must be at a loss for all their se placements.

Add me too

8) http://www.castigados.com

add me too

9) http://www.model-archive.com

anyone unbanned already?

i don't see them on the list ?

Let me just make sure I got this right? So dont use herge or met galleries for thumbs on my tgp cause some how they are involved with Perfect 10? Sorry if dumb question ...

they're not involved, some of the models are the same, that's all

for ModelFlats, the perfect10 guy bought 300 photos on a non exclusive base, but he's claiming he only can use them, which is bogus

thing is it's not a serious claim, but since they are in a lawsuit with google, google agreed to ban the sites, they didn't to their work

ModelFlats and Hegre are now trying to get the sites unbanned that used their content

perfect10 sues at the drop of a dime, people know them just because of that alone. its all publicity. good or bad.

Thanks

Hegre is to blame as well. We should using their content too.

And we can expect our url's to be removed from the list when? My domain does not show up on google whatsoever right now and I am losing $100's of dollars a day due to no fault of my own...all because I was a hegre-art affiliate?

no, because perfect10 are lying bastards, that's all, who will he target next?
Met-Art, Playboy, Penthouse

hey he did it with Hegre, ModelFlats, BumbleCash & Twistys, no one is safe

who got unbanned?

Ya well Hustler fucked me and people still stick up for them when I bitch.

Too much ass kissing going around....

Met

Just to clarify...We (MET-ART), did not sell, or license our images to Perfect10. Indeed there's an interest in our content from many sources, but we did not bend because of lucrative offers.
I do not believe we're involved in this craziness, but actually this thred clarifies many scary intents. As usual, it all boils down to greed, which always leads to bad decisions.

I see gfy just got a good couple of new webmasters aboard due to this thread.
Lensman, I wanna have a promotion for that

still some big webmasters missing in the list...

Relax, we will not fall for some easy bucks, and therefore compromise a legion of affiliates. It's like the lure of an easy profit, there's always a trick behind it. For years, and still to this day, easy money attracted people, just to find out that there was a scheme behind it. I'm always amazed at how people fall into the trap. Of course, many people are knocking at our door these days, but it's up to us to take our time, make them talk, and explain, and then decide what they really want. No one will ever knock at our door, and shower us with gifts, and money for a few photos. If they want to pay us a fortune for something that has relative value, then there's something strange behind it. That's it. I think these tricks go back at least 2000 years...History should be a good teacher, but these days the past has no apparent value, or anything to teach. Call us old fashioned if you want :-)

Met-Art you guys just rock!!
I'm glad to hear you can't be turned in so quickly...

I'll be in touch don't worry. I just don't think it's the right strategy to discuss our actions on the boards for everyone to read.

true, no need to do that here. But I wanna know who's with me/us? And thus this board is the perfect place to gather all the big ones in one place.

just bring him down, once and for all, so he can fill his days only with poker tournaments and think of the days where he had his own magazine, but went too far

if you are dieselaction/dieselcash affiliate affected from this please let me know.

Bump for all my good friends

Was your content on the list ?

don't know, but thing is, everyone is affected, if you see what big names are on there and they can say goodbye to SE traffic for their main page, traffic that was not only going to the affected sponsors, but also to all the other sponsors on the page
they didn't just ban gallery pages, but a lot of the main pages of sites or tgp pages, link sites ...

in a way all sponsors are affected, because all will loose hits to their paysites

i noticed the perfect 10 statement in google when i did a search to some terms that are on my blog, very fucked up that it is possible

Though i'm not affected i want to support all my affected friends on the list. So, you all got my support ... weird that i'm not on that list. Must be my Google SEO sucks ;)

no, but i recognize domains from possible affiliates in the list. We lease a dozen and some of them are not used exclusive for our content. I have a legal contact in california we can consult since thats where p10 is incorporated.

The whole thing sounded strange right from the start. The bait was too good to be true, and a quick conference call with our Lawyers, and a couple of collaborators promply led us to sniff something weird behind it.
The fact that we don't sell out our content anyways, helped, this thread helped too, I must say. We knew there was a scheme behind it, We just did not know the details. Thanks to this thread, we now know those too. I have to say that the guy is pretty elaborate in his plans, you have to give him that! Wanting specific models, and photos is what made it sound fishy. The compensation was out of scale too, although it was not really impressive by our standards, in the sense that it would have not changed our life, it would have excited a lot of people. It was (is) a perfect plan, on his side.

if he would try something 'funny' again, do you think you'll be able to respond quickly, if for instance he feels that Met-Art is also infringing on 'his right' to promote for instance Marketa Belonaha ?

I just know, if he bans my sites about Marketa, I'll strangle the guy

I know that we have some pretty brutal Lawyers, and that we can access a whole array of champ Lawyers, and that we can also afford them. Marketa is a common name. Koika, for example, is undergoing a trademark registration, but it's hard, because it's a common name. Why a trademark? Because we made up that name for her, and then it became used commonly by other sites, to get our traffic. You know, AdultFriendFinder's affiliates are buying MET ART as keyword, and we do nothing. We're here to make a good product, and something that affiliates can promote well, we're not here to file lawsuits. If we were in that business, it would be a good living too these days, since all our photos are filed with the US Copyright office, and are infringed daily, and I really mean everyday. Months ago we found a site that had 30,000 of our photos. EMule has a gazillion of our content, etc. Our photos are sold on Ebay in 3 continents by common people. We usually just send an email, asking to remove them, and we never went further than sending a DMCA notice. It always worked fine. Seriously, Who's perfect, and never made a mistake? I think that it's bad Karma, and I prefer to stay away from it.

The COPYRIGHT OWNER has every right to stop people from using their images.. which can go from a lawsuit for damages to having your hosting, billing, and even google listings it seems, terminated.

The DMCA law gives the COPYRIGHT OWNER some pretty strong backing to have companies take down content.

Perfect10 has every right to file the DMCA notice to google to have whatever actions it feels necesary to cease someone's illegal activity of copyright infringement.

The reason i am capitalizing COPYRIGHT OWNER is because Perfect10 has taken upon itself to "represent" all content producers in the filing of the DMCA notices and the various lawsuits.

Perfect10 does not have any legal right to do so, and courts seem have sided with the defendants in many cases.

It would appear that rather than risk litigation with perfect10 (and dont' forget google is a publically traded company where day traders don't like litigation expenses), could have just done their actions to appease Perfect10.

For the companies that had their websites delisted for using Perfect10's content, sorry, but google and P10 was justified in their actions, and being blackballed from google just goes to show how they violated google TOS.

BUT, if non-perfect10 content got you delisted, then Perfect10's DMCA notice filings to google was not legal or valid, and you would have recourse action against both google and P10..... you had better be sure that you had full rights to reproduce images from content producers (whether you licensed them directly or had a specific agreement that allowed you to use copyright images.)

Many sponsor programs gave away content for affiliates webmasters to use, but many did so in violation of copyright infringements.. most just don't realize it, and everybody did it as common practice, and that's why you have these copyright lawsuits that can have field day picking apart affiliates and sponsors for the copyright infringement.

So as i have read this and the other thread, if you have been touched by P10's DMCA notice for images that were not P10 images... and you have definite proof that you had the rights to use the images that got you "banned", then you do have a very interesting legal case where you could be awarded alot of money in damages.

I have met with Zadeh in the past and he is absolutely right in his conviction to protect his content and his fight to keep websites from stealing his content for TGP, free sites, P2P, newsgroups, etc.

What he does not have the right to do, is make representative claims of infringement for other content producers unless they gave him specific authority to do so.

Perfect10 has in the past and it sounds like even now, gone over the line in trying to pursue others who infringed on other content producers beyond their own.. and for that... those actions are clearly wrong.

You will probably need to have an attorney take this up on contingency... probably will ask for like 40-60% of the settlement.. but if you are "clean" in your use of images, you can probably find a firm that will take you up and help to take on google.... but you need to be very honest with yourself and with the attorney about the documentation of images... there is rampant copyright infringements due to the way sponsors were/are handing out images, so you may think you are right.. but you could be in the wrong..


Fight the perfect 11!

Do not forget that the images were purchased with the CLEAR INTENT of building/taking subsequent action against affiliates, and Google. The crime was masterfully crafted, before it actually happened. There was a specific premeditated intent in constructing this situation, and use it to his own advantage. He did not have any intention of protecting anyone's rights, trust us. I'm pissed off that he tried to play us too. I find it offensive. In my first polite response to him, I explained to him, in clear terms, that we're in I'm grateful that we did not fall for it, but he did not care for a second about our rights. He's feeding his own scheme by putting out monetary baits, and waiting for someone to fall for it, by selling him photos that he already carefully selected, based on the fact that they're already being used on Google. He is on a mission, and he's playing website owners, and affilates to accomplish his goal.

We were not told in clear terms, hardly even in vague ones, what he wanted to do with our photos, in case we agreed to selling ourselves to him. He was told in clear terms what our job is, which is the success of the site.
Quote: "We have, on this issue, a different approach. I'm more lax, and permissive. The sole focus of my attention is the website's success, and I'm hardly left with time to eat, sleep...".

He goes after websites that own pictures, but do not register the copyrights, like we've been doing. He's worse than the Lawyer waiting for a victim in the emergency room; this goes a step beyond that. Again, I'm grateful that we did not fall for the bait.
I did not know much about the guy, but he was ready to walk all over us to get where he wanted, which is, as everyone already knows, hoping to get a load of money from Google, and he had no problem when Google crashed his victims. This defines him. I hope we will have a chance to tell this to his face. In the meantime, we're just glad we dodged his bullet. I have a real problem with someone that thinks he can outsmart us, play us, use us. I'm glad we were smarter than him, and turn his fake offer down. I don't know how many other sites found themselves in this situation with him, and like us, made the right decision to stay away from him, but I don't think there's many. It would be interesting to know what was his initial number of possible guinea pigs. I will not forget how he would have damaged us, had we agreed to take those few dollars he offered us.
This is not about copyrights, this is about a lot more than that: loyalty, integrety, greed, and an endless list of other topics.
Again, I will not forget, and hopefully, we will be able to reciprocate the nice try. We have one more name on our blacklist.

wow, that is so twisted... i guess truth is stranger than fiction....

i cannot imagine to be ever so wronged by anyone as you have expressed. I sincerely hope you find closure.

Fight the nightmare!

Good posts Metart, you always been a sponsor with the right attitude towards affiliates.

totally agree

maybe the Free Speech Coalition should expand it's action radius and includes things like this (maybe they have, don't know), because I still feel like this affects the whole industry: sponsors, affiliates, agencies, models, photographers, ...

eg Dasha P: ModelFlats affiliates take a hit, ModelFlats takes a hit and probably the model 'Dasha P' itself

this thread is so enlightening....one of the better reads from page 1 that I have seen on GFY in a long time


FightThisPatent, great read as always man, you always bring a spark of reasoning and intelligence to every thread

Are you kidding? This whole Dr. Phil like closure is exactly what we do not want. We want these people to do this, because they teach us valuable lessons. I'm not for the whole: "Forget the past crap". History one of the only decent, reliable guidance we can trust. History is always a book that repeats itself, day after day. Forget history, and you're blind. Had everybody looked at the historic record of the guy, this would thread would not be here. It's easy to make the right decision when you look at it with a logical mind, forgetting about the lure of a few dollars. On the other hand, I have to say that your analysis is perfect.

a bump to keep this at the top. Hope those of you who got fucked are relisted soon

thanks man

maybe we should need a strong union

Has anyone tried to contact Google yet about this?

Stuff like this makes you wonder

I'm with you Goose ;)

Good luck buddy.

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