A design company out there is a PIECE of SHIT..

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  • Daruma
    Confirmed User
    • Nov 2002
    • 3494

    #1

    A design company out there is a PIECE of SHIT..

    Rant..

    one of you - you know who you are - paid you 100% up front for a job and you fuck around for weeks - not a small job mind you - and not cheap either..

    I should call your ass out on the carpet for the shit you say and do every day to delay..

    RIP TD
  • xNetworx
    So Fucking What
    • Jan 2004
    • 14445

    #2
    Many design "companies" are shit

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    • FelixFlow
      Confirmed User
      • Nov 2004
      • 2779

      #3
      call them out


      ICQ: 643 339 687

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      • sextoyking
        Confirmed User
        • Dec 2001
        • 6034

        #4
        Daruma,

        Sorry your having a bad experience with this company...

        At www.webinc.com we almost never ask for any deposits upfront - well except for some dev / programming work but not for designs...

        Hope everything works out for you.

        Peace

        Todd
        ICQ: 52344098
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        50% Commissions on all Product Sales. http://www.wishing.com/money

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        • Daruma
          Confirmed User
          • Nov 2002
          • 3494

          #5
          an XBiz nominee

          now they decide to go offline when the heat gets hot

          RIP TD

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          • aico
            Moo Moo Cow
            • Mar 2004
            • 14748

            #6
            100% up front? Most legit design companies only want 50% to start, and 50% on delivery. Some even 33% to start, 33% upon design approval and balance on delivery.

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            • MaDalton
              I am Amazing Content!
              • Feb 2004
              • 39861

              #7
              Originally posted by sextoyking
              Daruma,

              Sorry your having a bad experience with this company...

              At www.webinc.com we almost never ask for any deposits upfront - well except for some dev / programming work but not for designs...

              Hope everything works out for you.

              Peace

              Todd

              webinc design and our content work very well together btw
              AmazingContent.com - providing only the best content and service since 2003
              Monetize your content on Veegaz.com - one of Germanies largest VOD sites
              Got German traffic? We convert it into money for you!
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              • Daruma
                Confirmed User
                • Nov 2002
                • 3494

                #8
                Originally posted by aico
                100% up front? Most legit design companies only want 50% to start, and 50% on delivery. Some even 33% to start, 33% upon design approval and balance on delivery.
                I was being nice - urgent project.. my bad.. never again

                RIP TD

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                • CyberHustler
                  Masterbaiter
                  • Feb 2006
                  • 28750

                  #9
                  Thats why I don't pay upfront... Well except once with MachineGunKelly, but he gave me a hell of a deal and I only gave half upfront. He was on time and the designs were great! You should check him out.
                  “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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                  • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                    best designer on GFY
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 30307

                    #10
                    I have a couple guys I am running late with on things it happens sometimes. Independent designers sometimes bite more than they can chew. I know i have done it a few times.

                    Just hope the design work is good and ya do not get robbed.
                    Good luck!

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                    • ridikuloz
                      Confirmed User
                      • Jun 2005
                      • 2080

                      #11
                      expose them!!!
                      Each persons' level of stupidity makes us different.

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                      • Daruma
                        Confirmed User
                        • Nov 2002
                        • 3494

                        #12
                        their fucking loss - I just put another 30+ site job at another place

                        RIP TD

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                        • Papillon
                          Confirmed User
                          • Sep 2007
                          • 254

                          #13
                          name them man - what are you waiting for?


                          you want other honest webmasters to get ripped off ?
                          You WILL make more money with Loaded Cash

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                          • Daruma
                            Confirmed User
                            • Nov 2002
                            • 3494

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Papillon
                            name them man - what are you waiting for?


                            you want other honest webmasters to get ripped off ?
                            I want my project finished and my master files first - then I'll name names..

                            RIP TD

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                            • sextoyking
                              Confirmed User
                              • Dec 2001
                              • 6034

                              #15
                              Originally posted by MaDalton
                              webinc design and our content work very well together btw


                              Thanks MaDalton
                              ICQ: 52344098
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                              50% Commissions on all Product Sales. http://www.wishing.com/money

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                              • tony299
                                lurker
                                • Aug 2002
                                • 57021

                                #16
                                Never never pay up front.do a third a third and third or 50-50.

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                                • CaptainHowdy
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • Dec 2004
                                  • 94744

                                  #17
                                  Out them...

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                                  • dark.designs
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Aug 2007
                                    • 286

                                    #18
                                    50-50 should have been fair enough.
                                    --[ RV Designs :|: ICQ - 357-244-674 ]--

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                                    • minusonebit
                                      So Fucking Banned
                                      • Feb 2006
                                      • 7391

                                      #19
                                      This thread is as useless as a sack of shit and two rusty bent nails without names.

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                                      • uvort
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Mar 2003
                                        • 3580

                                        #20
                                        Webinc is by far the best, they offer amazing deals for big packages and if the designs are late you get a discount, next time you are in need, I highly recommend them.
                                        See Sig.
                                        199907143

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                                        • yahoo-xxx-girls.com
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Jul 2006
                                          • 3143

                                          #21
                                          Design vs. functionality

                                          I think there are some really nicely designed sites linked off of GFY, however I have seen a fair amount of these sites that do not even having the right amount of text for the SEs... now if the SEs are sending in the 20% of sales why then is the functionality only an afterthought? I am not saying SEO is everything, but 20% or more is a fair oversight of potential loss or lack of gain...

                                          With all the nice sites out there by those who take part in the GFY forum(s) why are those who know so much about SEO and the adult business not creating their own websites graphics and using CSS... I'm sure it's not an impossible tasks for you guys...

                                          Sorry if this is not a "rant", however I do wonder about some of the pros...

                                          Later,

                                          .
                                          sig too big

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                                          • dark.designs
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Aug 2007
                                            • 286

                                            #22
                                            Hope to get some of the projects the"company" didn't finished
                                            --[ RV Designs :|: ICQ - 357-244-674 ]--

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                                            • Barefootsies
                                              Choice is an Illusion
                                              • Feb 2005
                                              • 42635

                                              #23
                                              I know the feeling.

                                              The designer RHINO (from around the ole GFY) who works for a company on here did not refund the money, nor finish the project I had him working on. At some point he just stopped answering his ICQ and e-mails.

                                              It was really nice of him to reward my generosity of sending him money for my project before he was picked up by a company on here, and needing money for his family to not finish my project, nor refund the money.

                                              I am in the process of suing that mother fucker now, and fucking up his credit.

                                              On the bright side, RENTACODER.COM has worked out nicely for us.
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                                              • Headless
                                                Registered User
                                                • Jan 2001
                                                • 26727

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                I know the feeling.

                                                The designer RHINO (from around the ole GFY) who works for a company on here did not refund the money, nor finish the project I had him working on. At some point he just stopped answering his ICQ and e-mails.

                                                It was really nice of him to reward my generosity of sending him money for my project before he was picked up by a company on here, and needing money for his family to not finish my project, nor refund the money.

                                                I am in the process of suing that mother fucker now, and fucking up his credit.

                                                On the bright side, RENTACODER.COM has worked out nicely for us.

                                                That just sucks.

                                                I try to work with my clients. Example... I was about a week behind on one project. So I added a few extra ad materials to the order. The client was happy, and placed another order 2 weeks later. I always try to make it right with my clients in the long run. Once you're a client, I do my best to keep you as my client.

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                                                • Barefootsies
                                                  Choice is an Illusion
                                                  • Feb 2005
                                                  • 42635

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Headless
                                                  That just sucks.

                                                  I try to work with my clients. Example... I was about a week behind on one project. So I added a few extra ad materials to the order. The client was happy, and placed another order 2 weeks later. I always try to make it right with my clients in the long run. Once you're a client, I do my best to keep you as my client.
                                                  Yes it does horseman.

                                                  He was out of work, and I managed to sign him up to do one site for me that should have been done in a few weeks. But a week later he was picked up by a program on here who kept him busy.

                                                  While I fronted him $500 (half down) to get this done because he was in severe need for his family before getting his first pay check, he quickly fell behind.

                                                  The whole time he claimed to be working on this site, but not once did I see a single mock up. I just heard all of the designer classics as to how he was up all hours of the night, or he was busting his ass, and I should have it any day, or that there was this ONE sticking point and he would be done.

                                                  Then when he blew the deadline by weeks, I told him to refund the money, and I would have a different coder do if for me that could finish this site for me in the timeline needed. After that, he stopped responding to any ICQ or e-mails.

                                                  While I was nice at first, he still did not answer. Apparently had no intention of completing the work from the start. So I then contacted my local court, and credit bureau to track down his credit info so that I can put this bill on his credit report, as well as sue him in small claims.

                                                  It's not the money. It's the principle.

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                                                  • Daruma
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Nov 2002
                                                    • 3494

                                                    #26
                                                    still working on getting this shit finished - I guess what pisses me off the most is when they where bidding for the business they where around 24/7 - morning noon and night so I took that as a representation of their work ethic..

                                                    then the job started and they suddenly became a 9 to 5 - no work on weekends organization.. again - their loss long term.. but still it sucks - cost me a lot of $$ in the short term

                                                    RIP TD

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                                                    • Barefootsies
                                                      Choice is an Illusion
                                                      • Feb 2005
                                                      • 42635

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Daruma
                                                      still working on getting this shit finished - I guess what pisses me off the most is when they where bidding for the business they where around 24/7 - morning noon and night so I took that as a representation of their work ethic..

                                                      then the job started and they suddenly became a 9 to 5 - no work on weekends organization.. again - their loss long term.. but still it sucks - cost me a lot of $$ in the short term
                                                      I feel you bawla. I know what you mean.

                                                      They are on the board bullshitting, or ICQ 24/7... that is until you need your work done.

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                                                      • cardinalvices
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Dec 2006
                                                        • 2084

                                                        #28
                                                        Well phew, this sure ain't us.

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                                                        • Barefootsies
                                                          Choice is an Illusion
                                                          • Feb 2005
                                                          • 42635

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by cardinalvices
                                                          Well phew, this sure ain't us.
                                                          Whew indeed ace.
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                                                          • D
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Jan 2006
                                                            • 7412

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Daruma
                                                            I was being nice - urgent project.. my bad.. never again
                                                            Yeah... Chalk it up to experience, at least. Labor up front, sure... payment, never.

                                                            Hope you get it all worked out.
                                                            -D.
                                                            ICQ: 202-96-31

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                                                            • peterk
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Aug 2007
                                                              • 3529

                                                              #31
                                                              Hmmm ... this thread is useless without names
                                                              Bogat mama ala cu loturi de trafic

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                                                              • who
                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                • Aug 2003
                                                                • 19593

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Daruma
                                                                Rant..

                                                                one of you - you know who you are - paid you 100% up front for a job and you fuck around for weeks - not a small job mind you - and not cheap either..

                                                                I should call your ass out on the carpet for the shit you say and do every day to delay..
                                                                I just cannot believe you paid 100% upfront.

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                                                                • Barefootsies
                                                                  Choice is an Illusion
                                                                  • Feb 2005
                                                                  • 42635

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by who
                                                                  I just cannot believe you paid 100% upfront.
                                                                  Agreed.

                                                                  I do it now with RENTACODER. But it's held in escrow. If the programmer misses their deadline, or doesn't do their status reports, flakes, doesn't complete the work, pulls a whodini, disappears and returns with the designer classics.. death in family, blown up computer, internet, etc....

                                                                  You can take them to arbitration and get your money back. They do nto get paid until they complete your work. So if they flake, you just pick one of the others who bid on your project, and your escrow now will apply to them.

                                                                  It's better than designers, or companys, (like Rhino the designer in my example) disappearing wth $500 down payment, and then not finishing their work. Even when you did them a fucking favor in the first place.

                                                                  I've found even some of the highly recommended does not always apply. That is unless it's someplace like RENTACODER (there are a few others) where all get rated on their work, paid WHEN COMPLETED, and must do weekly status reports.
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                                                                  • JD
                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                    • Sep 2003
                                                                    • 22651

                                                                    #34
                                                                    i only ask for 50% upfront... if it's a LARGE project I ask for payment in full.

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                                                                    • deadbabes
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Jul 2006
                                                                      • 366

                                                                      #35
                                                                      It's too bad people have to screw others in business like that. It makes it difficult for a design company to ask for anything upfront.
                                                                      http://prettywasted.com

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                                                                      • Daruma
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Nov 2002
                                                                        • 3494

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Update: it still has NOT been fully resolved - so I don't wish to name names until I have a completed product

                                                                        As to paying 100% upfront - it was not asked for but thought that it would speed along things due to the nature of the project and the time frames that where promised and required.. Again.. this is the last time this will ever happen - my lesson learned...

                                                                        RIP TD

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                                                                        • MoreMagic
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Feb 2006
                                                                          • 2851

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Hmm must be one of this thread..... let us guess >> THREAD

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                                                                          • mightyjoe
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                                                                            • Jun 2004
                                                                            • 1395

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by MoreMagic
                                                                            Hmm must be one of this thread..... let us guess >> THREAD
                                                                            Originally posted by Daruma
                                                                            already talking with your boss
                                                                            it might be?

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                                                                            • mightyjoe
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Jun 2004
                                                                              • 1395

                                                                              #39
                                                                              good for you in other hand

                                                                              did yah don't know that a good design company, or those who are always posting they services, has a LOOOONG waiting list of clients?


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                                                                              • MoreMagic
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Feb 2006
                                                                                • 2851

                                                                                #40
                                                                                I think we have a winner


                                                                                Originally posted by mightyjoe
                                                                                it might be?

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                                                                                • digifan
                                                                                  The Profiler
                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                  • 14618

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by cardinalvices
                                                                                  Well phew, this sure ain't us.
                                                                                  Nice work, I'll show that to a friend
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                                                                                  • Fap
                                                                                    Just Du It
                                                                                    • Feb 2004
                                                                                    • 12094

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    If it's HadePass im with you

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                                                                                    • xxxPush3r
                                                                                      Registered User
                                                                                      • Jul 2007
                                                                                      • 2

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by mightyjoe
                                                                                      it might be?
                                                                                      can anyone confirm or deny?

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                                                                                      • Deej
                                                                                        I make pixels work
                                                                                        • Jun 2005
                                                                                        • 24386

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by xxxPush3r
                                                                                        can anyone confirm or deny?
                                                                                        Cant you come here with your own voice?

                                                                                        Deej's Designs n' What Not
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                                                                                        • AGS-17
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                                                                                          • May 2005
                                                                                          • 1402

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Hmm must be one of this thread.....

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                                                                                          • Barefootsies
                                                                                            Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                            • Feb 2005
                                                                                            • 42635

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by mightyjoe
                                                                                            good for you in other hand

                                                                                            did yah don't know that a good design company, or those who are always posting they services, has a LOOOONG waiting list of clients?


                                                                                            I'm guessing from some of the responses that these are the Russians eh?
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                                                                                            • theS2O
                                                                                              Adult Design Since 2003
                                                                                              • Sep 2003
                                                                                              • 4785

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              I feel you man. But I myself ask for a 100% upfront payment but I make sure that all of my clients are happy with what I come up. So far they're all satisfied and keep on coming back.. Uhmm, well except for the few who later I found out to be one of those "bad" guys roaming around here.. :P Hope all goes well with you.
                                                                                              Making Awesome Logos & Websites Since 2003!
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                                                                                              • atemplates
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                                                                                                • Jul 2007
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Email us for samples!
                                                                                                .

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                                                                                                • Red Ezra
                                                                                                  redezra.com
                                                                                                  • May 2004
                                                                                                  • 4680

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  nothing but heartache for me too when hiring web designers (so far that is) - always a disappointment

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                                                                                                  • Barefootsies
                                                                                                    Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                    • Feb 2005
                                                                                                    • 42635

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by pimpporn
                                                                                                    Many design "companies" are shit
                                                                                                    Agreed. Many many...

                                                                                                    Originally posted by Daruma
                                                                                                    Rant..

                                                                                                    one of you - you know who you are - paid you 100% up front for a job and you fuck around for weeks - not a small job mind you - and not cheap either..
                                                                                                    Sounds like an AMJeff (raging rhino) of Rage Cash move.
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