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  • seeric
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    • Aug 2004
    • 41917
    #201
    200 questions about yahoo and search engine marketing


    Originally posted by devilspost
    I think people will take advantage of ways to make money anyway they can.

    It is yahoo's traffic. I dont think it looks all that good for them but that is an ethics question isnt it?

    I am sure you can find shit like this done on adult sites and business to.

    correct. i think thats why this thread was even started. ethics and integrity of a long standing belief that none of those spots are not sold. if they aren't sold, then a major ethics question is posed on how this company, still presumed innocent until found otherwise, is getting peoples tld search traffic.

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      • NoHassleSteve
        Confirmed User
        • Jul 2004
        • 450
        #202
        Originally posted by A1R3K
        correct. i think thats why this thread was even started. ethics and integrity of a long standing belief that none of those spots are not sold. if they aren't sold, then a major ethics question is posed on how this company, still presumed innocent until found otherwise, is getting peoples tld search traffic.


        I wonder where search engines fall legally speaking.

        There must be some limit. Imagine if you ran a conventional business
        and then a company that did marketing for you paid the phone company
        to replace your listing with one that went to their number. They could
        then claim to be the "Source" of a good chunk of your customers even
        though they did alsmot nothing to find and deliver them.

        The only thing limiting the search engines is whether a user finds a
        particular search engine worth using. And as long as those top spots
        still bring the surfer to the kind of page they were looking for, search
        engine companies don't need to care about ethics.
        Tai Lynn - Asian model with 50% revshare
        Teen Dolls with Alyssa Doll -- 60% payouts Spunkbucks PPS and Revshare
        NS Cash -- sites with pornstars and fresh faces -- 60% payouts

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          • devilspost
            Confirmed User
            • Feb 2004
            • 3980
            #203
            If I owned yahoo I wouldnt have any free listings at all. Also I dont think they are "innocent" I think they redirect the clicks through wildline as a paid spot. It's just that it is thier traffic to do with as they please. I dont think wildline is doing anything wrong either they are just trying to send joins.

            Brothels and Escorts Worldwide.

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              • seeric
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                • Aug 2004
                • 41917
                #204
                Originally posted by devilspost
                If I owned yahoo I wouldnt have any free listings at all. Also I dont think they are "innocent" I think they redirect the clicks through wildline as a paid spot. It's just that it is thier traffic to do with as they please. I dont think wildline is doing anything wrong either they are just trying to send joins.
                thats what everyone is waiting to see. one of these two situations is true.

                !) yahoo is selling those spots in some manner.
                2) wildline is doing something to pass their code through to sponsors.


                another reason why i'm just sitting by the sideline waiting. no sense in getting all worked up until everyone really knows what happening.
                Last edited by seeric; 01-04-2006, 03:59 PM.

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                  • chodadog
                    Confirmed User
                    • Apr 2002
                    • 9736
                    #205
                    Originally posted by NoHassleSteve
                    I don't think there really aren't any parallels to it in the brick-and-mortar
                    world because they wouldn't tolerate it.
                    The brick and mortal business parallel would be some guy standing outside of Walmart's doors and asking people that are already on the way in to step into Walmart, and earning a commission on the sales.

                    It's a ridiculous situation.

                    I agree that if an affiliate actually earns a number 1 spot through SEO, then he should be fully entitled to it. However, that doesn't seem to be the case here. These links appeared to be bought and paid for. This is very interesting, and i bet it's going to get even more interesting over the next few days.
                    Last edited by chodadog; 01-04-2006, 04:06 PM.
                    26 + 6 = 1

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                      • V_RocKs
                        Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                        • Nov 2003
                        • 32451
                        #206
                        A sale cheap my #1 listings in Yahoo...

                        How much do you want to pay?

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                          • devilspost
                            Confirmed User
                            • Feb 2004
                            • 3980
                            #207
                            Originally posted by chodadog
                            The brick and mortal business parallel would be some guy standing outside of Walmart's doors and asking people that are already on the way in to step into Walmart, and earning a commission on the sales.
                            It is more like a guy owns one of the roads to walmart and sells the toll booth to a toll booth company that lets the customer get to walmart by going though his booth to get there.

                            Brothels and Escorts Worldwide.

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                              • BDSMpersonals
                                Registered User
                                • Jun 2005
                                • 42
                                #208
                                Didn't the FTC get on the se's ass about a year or two ago about making paid listings look like free listings? If that's what happened you should be in a strong position to threaten Y! that you'll tell the FTC about it. I bet they'd back off.
                                Selling all my BDSM domains.

                                http://www.BDSMstories.com/bdsm.domains.for.sale.html

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                                  • seeric
                                    ..........
                                    • Aug 2004
                                    • 41917
                                    #209
                                    Originally posted by BDSMpersonals
                                    Didn't the FTC get on the se's ass about a year or two ago about making paid listings look like free listings? If that's what happened you should be in a strong position to threaten Y! that you'll tell the FTC about it. I bet they'd back off.

                                    not sure if thats the smartest thing, then ALL your sites could mysteriously dissappear from their listings.

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                                      • chodadog
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Apr 2002
                                        • 9736
                                        #210
                                        Originally posted by devilspost
                                        It is more like a guy owns one of the roads to walmart and sells the toll booth to a toll booth company that lets the customer get to walmart by going though his booth to get there.
                                        Heh, true. And then the guy is using the toll booth gets a commission on every sale at Walmart 'cause technically he's sending the traffic, even though they would have already been receiving it in the first place. ;)
                                        26 + 6 = 1

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                                          • chodadog
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Apr 2002
                                            • 9736
                                            #211
                                            Originally posted by A1R3K
                                            not sure if thats the smartest thing, then ALL your sites could mysteriously dissappear from their listings.
                                            True. The best thing would be to have someone do it anonymously. I mean, from the surfer's point of view, rather than a site owner's point of view. Because i'm pretty sure that thing with the FTC was about deceiving the surfer. I doubt they'd care about it affecting an adult business.
                                            26 + 6 = 1

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                                              • Brother Bareback
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Jan 2006
                                                • 279
                                                #212
                                                Originally posted by Chief
                                                Contact the affiliate talk to him and tell him nicely that you won't pay for that traffic.
                                                /me makes mental note NEVER to do business with Chief on GFY

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                                                  • xxxjay
                                                    Tube groupie.
                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                    • 13482
                                                    #213
                                                    All's I've got to say is this: I did the SEO work so when you typed "Brazil Bang" or any of the other names of our paysites into Yahoo or Google you would get www.occashpaysite.com to come up #1. I earned that spot, fair and sqaure.

                                                    Amazon.com has #1 for "Amazon" and also has an affilaite program...can you just buy that as well? How about buying other affilaite's listings for #1 keywords like "porn".

                                                    Bottom line is wildline isn't getting us one hit that we were not getting for ourselves. They are just taking half the money for it.

                                                    I think that's fucked up.

                                                    It's yahoo's world though...I'm just living in it.
                                                    http://donttellmehowtoruinmylife.com/ - http://www.jmdigitalmarketing.com/my...s-and-reviews/ - http://www.wouldyouhitit.org - http://shinyobjectreviews.com/

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                                                      • seeric
                                                        ..........
                                                        • Aug 2004
                                                        • 41917
                                                        #214
                                                        Originally posted by xxxjay
                                                        All's I've got to say is this: I did the SEO work so when you typed "Brazil Bang" or any of the other names of our paysites into Yahoo or Google you would get www.occashpaysite.com to come up #1. I earned that spot, fair and sqaure.

                                                        Amazon.com has #1 for "Amazon" and also has an affilaite program...can you just buy that as well? How about buying other affilaite's listings for #1 keywords like "porn".

                                                        Bottom line is wildline isn't getting us one hit that we were not getting for ourselves. They are just taking half the money for it.

                                                        I think that's fucked up.

                                                        It's yahoo's world though...I'm just living in it.


                                                        i got some info. fill you in in vegas.

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                                                          • DirtyProfits
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • May 2005
                                                            • 1885
                                                            #215
                                                            If I were anybody of the affiliate program owners I would be very mad at Wildline Corp.
                                                            I think the CAP is just another more improved way from Yahoo to increase the clicks to PPC campaigns. Many surfers might already know that the advertising spots on top and the right are no "real" results for what they searched but paid for.
                                                            So Yahoo just wants to put those advertising spots into the real SERPs to get more clicks and therefore more profit.
                                                            I bet that they did not intend to replace existing listings by affiliates, only by the real site owners themself.

                                                            I guess that Yahoo thinks that Wildcorp only resells those spots to real site owners (the affiliate programs) and not to other affiliates as Wildline Corp states in their TOS (they don't accept affiliates) but Yahoo does not think that Wildline signup as affiliates themself.

                                                            In my opinion you can't blame Yahoo for this but Wildline because they are abusing the system of Yahoo and the affiliate program to cheat profit away from free SERPs just to get a % of that and divide the profit into 3 parties (Yahoo, the affiliate program and Wildline) instead of the affiliate program only.

                                                            Please correct me if I'm wrong as this is quite complicated.

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                                                              • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                • Jun 2004
                                                                • 28609
                                                                #216
                                                                Originally posted by DirtyProfits
                                                                If I were anybody of the affiliate program owners I would be very mad at Wildline Corp.
                                                                I think the CAP is just another more improved way from Yahoo to increase the clicks to PPC campaigns. Many surfers might already know that the advertising spots on top and the right are no "real" results for what they searched but paid for.
                                                                So Yahoo just wants to put those advertising spots into the real SERPs to get more clicks and therefore more profit.
                                                                I bet that they did not intend to replace existing listings by affiliates, only by the real site owners themself.

                                                                I guess that Yahoo thinks that Wildcorp only resells those spots to real site owners (the affiliate programs) and not to other affiliates as Wildline Corp states in their TOS (they don't accept affiliates) but Yahoo does not think that Wildline signup as affiliates themself.

                                                                In my opinion you can't blame Yahoo for this but Wildline because they are abusing the system of Yahoo and the affiliate program to cheat profit away from free SERPs just to get a % of that and divide the profit into 3 parties (Yahoo, the affiliate program and Wildline) instead of the affiliate program only.

                                                                Please correct me if I'm wrong as this is quite complicated.
                                                                thats pretty darn close but what i dont get is if this is the way it works then why yahoo would think program owners would want to buy listings they already own ??
                                                                hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                                  • seeric
                                                                    ..........
                                                                    • Aug 2004
                                                                    • 41917
                                                                    #217
                                                                    wooooooooooooooof

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                                                                      • BV
                                                                        wtf
                                                                        • Sep 2001
                                                                        • 10914
                                                                        #218
                                                                        Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                                        thats pretty darn close but what i dont get is if this is the way it works then why yahoo would think program owners would want to buy listings they already own ??
                                                                        Things that make you go hmmm. The answer is obvious but hidden at the same time.

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                                                                          • DirtyProfits
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • May 2005
                                                                            • 1885
                                                                            #219
                                                                            Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                                            why yahoo would think program owners would want to buy listings they already own ??
                                                                            Well maybe Yahoo didn't focus on domain keywords but on general ones?
                                                                            As we have seen you can also buy a listing for "black porn" and "porn videos" so Yahoo thinks companies should buy those keywords then for their sites.
                                                                            This way free sites like jays-xxx-links.com would lose search engine traffic and Yahoo would take/replace the affiliates place in the long run and get paid ppc instead the old affiliates pps for example.

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                                                                              • DirtyProfits
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • May 2005
                                                                                • 1885
                                                                                #220
                                                                                Originally posted by chodadog
                                                                                The brick and mortal business parallel would be some guy standing outside of Walmart's doors and asking people that are already on the way in to step into Walmart, and earning a commission on the sales.

                                                                                It's a ridiculous situation.
                                                                                Yep and do you think Walmart or big companies like Microsoft would allow something like this?
                                                                                Imagine someone pays 15cents per click for the spot of microsoft.com to sell Windows XP online or even worse (in Microsofts view) LinuX

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                                                                                  • MrChips
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • May 2005
                                                                                    • 1504
                                                                                    #221
                                                                                    I would like to add that they have also done the same to the term "milf hunter".

                                                                                    In this instance - I am "fairly certain" that the directory listing at Yahoo would have been paid for by NastyDollars - they certainly DO have a directory listing.

                                                                                    Having have nasty dollars pay the money then selling them out is a fucking bastards trick.

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                                                                                      • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                        ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                        • Jun 2004
                                                                                        • 28609
                                                                                        #222
                                                                                        Originally posted by MrChips
                                                                                        I would like to add that they have also done the same to the term "milf hunter".

                                                                                        In this instance - I am "fairly certain" that the directory listing at Yahoo would have been paid for by NastyDollars - they certainly DO have a directory listing.

                                                                                        Having have nasty dollars pay the money then selling them out is a fucking bastards trick.
                                                                                        exactly...

                                                                                        yahoo's excuse will be " we dont actually swap the code on the directory listing , only when the site shows up in results , thus we arent thieving you."

                                                                                        but thats a rather foolish argument because if they really were going to be ethical they would remove the "directory listing" under the search result when it shows up ( as it isnt the real directory listing )

                                                                                        The long and the short of it is, they are using seo's work to make profits.. because those results wouldnt even be in the top #10 if it werent for webmasters seo work..
                                                                                        hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                                                          • kenny
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Mar 2002
                                                                                            • 7245
                                                                                            #223
                                                                                            Yahoo is fucked up.

                                                                                            They banned one of my domains to the point were no pages can be found yet they still hotlink the fucking video content on their video search.

                                                                                            So basicly they removed every webpage from the site but kept the videos
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                                                                                              • Hardlinks
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • May 2005
                                                                                                • 1333
                                                                                                #224
                                                                                                Smokey is the only one in this thread with a clue.

                                                                                                Most of you need to reread it.
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                                                                                                  • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                    ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                                    • Jun 2004
                                                                                                    • 28609
                                                                                                    #225
                                                                                                    Originally posted by kenny
                                                                                                    Yahoo is fucked up.

                                                                                                    They banned one of my domains to the point were no pages can be found yet they still hotlink the fucking video content on their video search.

                                                                                                    So basicly they removed every webpage from the site but kept the videos

                                                                                                    google does that too. you can use that to your advantage..

                                                                                                    When google bans a domain they only ban it from regular search not images search
                                                                                                    hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                                                                      • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                        ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                                        • Jun 2004
                                                                                                        • 28609
                                                                                                        #226
                                                                                                        Originally posted by Hardlinks
                                                                                                        Smokey is the only one in this thread with a clue.

                                                                                                        Most of you need to reread it.
                                                                                                        well i wouldnt go that far , but thanks ..
                                                                                                        hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                                                                          • devilspost
                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                            • Feb 2004
                                                                                                            • 3980
                                                                                                            #227
                                                                                                            Originally posted by Hardlinks
                                                                                                            Smokey is the only one in this thread with a clue.

                                                                                                            Most of you need to reread it.
                                                                                                            LOL yahoo hijacks links on thier own domain and servers thats pretty much it.

                                                                                                            Brothels and Escorts Worldwide.

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                                                                                                              • MrChips
                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                • May 2005
                                                                                                                • 1504
                                                                                                                #228
                                                                                                                "Smokey is the only one in this thread with a clue."

                                                                                                                No - a few others understand aswell.

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                                                                                                                  • DirtyProfits
                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                    • May 2005
                                                                                                                    • 1885
                                                                                                                    #229
                                                                                                                    A1R3K did you already get a answer from Yahoo?

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                                                                                                                      • seeric
                                                                                                                        ..........
                                                                                                                        • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                        • 41917
                                                                                                                        #230
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by DirtyProfits
                                                                                                                        A1R3K did you already get a answer from Yahoo?

                                                                                                                        nah, not yet. jay has told me that he has some things to bring me up to speed on in vegas. i'll let everyone know how it goes. that's why i've been quiet and will go find out whats going on.

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                                                                                                                          • kenny
                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                            • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                            • 7245
                                                                                                                            #231
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                                            google does that too. you can use that to your advantage..

                                                                                                                            When google bans a domain they only ban it from regular search not images search

                                                                                                                            How can I use this to my advantage? Please tell me.
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                                                                                                                              • WiredGuy
                                                                                                                                Pounding Googlebot
                                                                                                                                • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                • 34516
                                                                                                                                #232
                                                                                                                                I talked to AIR3K about this in Vegas and about Wildline and other priority feeders into the Yahoo engine, if you're not sure what's going on, hit me up Jay. I didn't read the 5+ pages of threads but I do know what they're doing.
                                                                                                                                WG
                                                                                                                                I play with Google.

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                                                                                                                                  • Gunni
                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                    • Apr 2003
                                                                                                                                    • 2385
                                                                                                                                    #233
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by DamageX
                                                                                                                                    I can't believe the ones defending the affiliate. Did Yahoo step in it? Yes. However, if the affiliate is aware of this, he's basically buying stolen goods.
                                                                                                                                    hah, so Jay owned the spot by law? or did he own yahoo, that then got stolen by someone and they are now selling it by the spot??

                                                                                                                                    Yahoo owns it and can do what they want with it, it is not a god given right to be listed on a search engine. And if yahoo were not profitting from listing Jay's site in the first place they made a business decicion, and one thing's for sure, paid listings are more likely to be 100% relevant than unpaid listings...

                                                                                                                                    But I can really understand Jay being ticked off abot it. Nothing sucks more than doing work just for it to be tossed to the side by someone for whatever reason.

                                                                                                                                    Kind of reminds me of a few years ago when people were outraged by TGP's selling spots, nobody was going to participate in 'buying' free traffic. My guess is that in 2-3 years all spots on the first page of all major search engines will be paid for

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                                                                                                                                      • Pornopat
                                                                                                                                        AdultTubeSubmits.com
                                                                                                                                        • Dec 2003
                                                                                                                                        • 10598
                                                                                                                                        #234
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by A1R3K
                                                                                                                                        nah, not yet. jay has told me that he has some things to bring me up to speed on in vegas. i'll let everyone know how it goes. that's why i've been quiet and will go find out whats going on.
                                                                                                                                        So...any updates?
                                                                                                                                        https://stripcash.com/sign-up/?userI...fff832eb95ab6a

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                                                                                                                                          • Amnesic
                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                            • Oct 2004
                                                                                                                                            • 1305
                                                                                                                                            #235
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by xxxjay
                                                                                                                                            All's I've got to say is this: I did the SEO work so when you typed "Brazil Bang" or any of the other names of our paysites into Yahoo or Google you would get www.occashpaysite.com to come up #1. I earned that spot, fair and sqaure.

                                                                                                                                            Amazon.com has #1 for "Amazon" and also has an affilaite program...can you just buy that as well? How about buying other affilaite's listings for #1 keywords like "porn".

                                                                                                                                            Bottom line is wildline isn't getting us one hit that we were not getting for ourselves. They are just taking half the money for it.

                                                                                                                                            I think that's fucked up.

                                                                                                                                            It's yahoo's world though...I'm just living in it.

                                                                                                                                            Are you still thinking about not paying him or not accepting anymore of this traffic?

                                                                                                                                            I think it would be wrong

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                                                                                                                                              • Pornopat
                                                                                                                                                AdultTubeSubmits.com
                                                                                                                                                • Dec 2003
                                                                                                                                                • 10598
                                                                                                                                                #236
                                                                                                                                                Bump for an excellent thread.
                                                                                                                                                https://stripcash.com/sign-up/?userI...fff832eb95ab6a

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                                                                                                                                                  • seeric
                                                                                                                                                    ..........
                                                                                                                                                    • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                                    • 41917
                                                                                                                                                    #237
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                                                                                                                                    I talked to AIR3K about this in Vegas and about Wildline and other priority feeders into the Yahoo engine, if you're not sure what's going on, hit me up Jay. I didn't read the 5+ pages of threads but I do know what they're doing.
                                                                                                                                                    WG


                                                                                                                                                    yeah its all good, i talked to brian today on the phone. people confused should talk to the wildline guys on a case by case basis. it's all square and they actually are actually very cool. thanks charles and brian. i am happy with the resolution and there never actually really was any sort of "monkey business" really. jay actually already talked to them too. i suggest that people hit them up.



                                                                                                                                                    thanks WG.

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                                                                                                                                                      • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                                                                        ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                                                                                        • Jun 2004
                                                                                                                                                        • 28609
                                                                                                                                                        #238
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                                                                                                                                        I talked to AIR3K about this in Vegas and about Wildline and other priority feeders into the Yahoo engine, if you're not sure what's going on, hit me up Jay. I didn't read the 5+ pages of threads but I do know what they're doing.
                                                                                                                                                        WG

                                                                                                                                                        perhaps you would like to share , im still confused as to how wildline gains its clients any traffic at all.

                                                                                                                                                        To me it seems they are just selling you traffic you already own..

                                                                                                                                                        They dont promote your product they dont have any content , they dont have an adult site .. all your links rely on their servers working , all your natural links then rely on wildlines servers working , so if wildline goes down the clients links wont work on natural listings like www.mysite.com , that seems a bit worrysom ? and vulnerable to hackers..

                                                                                                                                                        And most of all it would just KILL a clients serps eventually.. for the most part sites like www.cumfiesta.com have high hrank for terms like "cumfiesta" because lots of people link to them with www.cumfiesta.com and their ref codes and enjoy high serps's on the engines with their ref codes in them.. if wildline just scoops those results , webmasters will no longer gain anything by linking to sponsors directly , better to add NOFOLLOW to that sponsor and then they dont get and serp from it either , and then eventually wildline wont have anything to buy.
                                                                                                                                                        hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                                                                                                                          • XPays
                                                                                                                                                            Team Player
                                                                                                                                                            • May 2004
                                                                                                                                                            • 13002
                                                                                                                                                            #239
                                                                                                                                                            what's the big deal? yahoo is selective and paid inclusion is golden. buy it from those who have it and everyone wins. yahoo stays clean and targetted, the paid includer gets a cut and the traffic destination gets a customer.
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                                                                                                                                                              • nico-t
                                                                                                                                                                emperor of my world
                                                                                                                                                                • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                                                • 29901
                                                                                                                                                                #240
                                                                                                                                                                good for the affiliate... but i must say i love google more, u can get on #1 for free there (not talking about the same method btw).

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