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  • SmokeyTheBear
    ►SouthOfHeaven
    • Jun 2004
    • 28609
    #151
    150 new affiliates


    Originally posted by Manowar
    Doing it en-masse for the biggest sites and probably more that we haven't found yet might increase the revenue, especially with more targetted sites having better conversions
    well even if all they were making is 1 cent per click it isnt exactly "awesome" but if your flipping thousands and thousands of clicks it adds up
    hatisblack at yahoo.com

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      • seeric
        ..........
        • Aug 2004
        • 41917
        #152
        mad viewsssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

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          • oldtimer
            Confirmed User
            • Jan 2003
            • 250
            #153
            Search engines are no different than TGP's. Free listings are just content to attract traffic. Once they have the traffic, they will sell whatever listings they can for as much as they can.

            SEO's may not like it, but in the long run the money making spots will go to whoever is willing to pay the most. No one has the "right" to be listed #1 for free. If you think you do... try taking the seach engines to court over it.
            Im here to help surfers find relevant content

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              • devilspost
                Confirmed User
                • Feb 2004
                • 3980
                #154
                Originally posted by A1R3K
                mad viewsssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
                this thread hit the icq circuit

                Brothels and Escorts Worldwide.

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                  • SmokeyTheBear
                    ►SouthOfHeaven
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 28609
                    #155
                    Originally posted by oldtimer
                    try taking the seach engines to court over it.
                    people do , go search for paris hilton video and you will see dmca complaints..

                    its false advertising.. its one thing to say the site , its another to actually display the site name and send you to another site withouts its permission..

                    although generally i agree with you its yahoo's call in the end. but linking www.yoursite.com ( the text ) to www.someothersiteyoudidntgivepermissionto.com is another
                    hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                      • seeric
                        ..........
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 41917
                        #156
                        Originally posted by devilspost
                        this thread hit the icq circuit



                        everyone is prob checking their domains right now.

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                          • BV
                            wtf
                            • Sep 2001
                            • 10914
                            #157
                            Originally posted by vanderweb
                            Yahoo picked up a few of my affiliate links this last month and sends nice traffic. I never intened to have the sites listed but yahoo picked them up anyways somehow. If a sponsor removed these links I would be pissed. It was the luck of the draw at least for me
                            I agree with you 100%, I would never do that, but this is an entirely different scenario we are talking about here bro. These links in question do not have any affiliate codes visible, just shows the main url of the pay site and are in place of the listing that should go to the real site intended for.

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                              • wedouglas
                                So Fucking Banned
                                • Aug 2004
                                • 5921
                                #158
                                Originally posted by Brujah
                                .15 per click could actually be very cheap for those spots.. i buy adwords and have paid 50c and higher easily for regular targeted sponsor spots.
                                And you'd lose terribly. I have tons.

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                                  • seeric
                                    ..........
                                    • Aug 2004
                                    • 41917
                                    #159
                                    Originally posted by BV
                                    I agree with you 100%, I would never do that, but this is an entirely different scenario we are talking about here bro. These links in question do not have any affiliate codes visible, just shows the main url of the pay site and are in place of the listing that should go to the real site intended for.

                                    thats what we are all concerned about including the thread starter. its not about cancelling anyone, its about right and wrong.

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                                      • Kevsh
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Dec 2004
                                        • 8619
                                        #160
                                        A few more observations:

                                        If you goto Wildline's redirect page (www.wildlinecorp.com/app/kk.php) without any parameters you get taken to a page promoting all NastyDollar sites

                                        This does change things a bit in that IF wildline was simply using the submission program and getting links to sponsor sites listed #1 "naturally", I can't see a page that defaults to a redirect to another domain ranking #1 ... at least not easily!

                                        Also, the redirect script points to all of their sites so it would again be very hard to achieve a #1 position for so many keywords from a single "page".

                                        Next up, look at these search results for "Next Door Nikki" on another search engine:
                                        http://www.nekoo.com.ar/search/next-door-nikki/1-2.html

                                        Result #15 is a direct, titled URL from WildLine that takes you right to Nikki's home page. It uses the above-mentioned script.

                                        But notice the description underneath the title/link:
                                        "The Huge Natural Rack on this beautiful girl makes for an extraordinary package. Unbelievable tits on such a cute little body. Tantalizing, TITilating fun for just $24.95"

                                        That does not show up on Nikki's home page ... and since this is a redir URL it shouldn't be cached nor the title/desc/content used in a listing. But it also shows up as the decription in Yahoo.

                                        Nooooowww, way over in Google NONE of the kk.php pages are indexed properly - either that have been flagged for duplicate content or some other reason. Clearly, this file has a redirection portion to it (duh), but what's more relevant is it's getting descriptions/title tags, etc. listed in Yahoo that don't match the destination site.

                                        What does all this mean?
                                        More work for me haha
                                        But you can conclude that the kk.php is using cloaking and/or their pages are turning up #1 on Yahoo because the various "versions" of the page are optimized very well for their target keyword(s) - getting the kk.php indexed on various other sites as noted
                                        above.

                                        None of this necessarily points out Yahoo is selling anything, yet.

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                                          • Troels
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • May 2002
                                            • 1035
                                            #161
                                            One thing is for sure, they opened up for fullblown attacks on these listings. What would it take for wildline to dump a certain paysite name? Lots of unproductive hits..

                                            These paysite name listings are golden though. You have no idea how difficult it is to get them on google. You need to direct a lot of linkjuice to the page to get in the top10 for a bangbros/topbucks site.
                                            These guys steal your signups: Read here.
                                            And sexsearch.com profit from it.
                                            Check out which sponsors pay thieves here.
                                            And here's a list of clean sponsors.

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                                              • SmokeyTheBear
                                                ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                • Jun 2004
                                                • 28609
                                                #162
                                                Originally posted by BV
                                                I agree with you 100%, I would never do that, but this is an entirely different scenario we are talking about here bro. These links in question do not have any affiliate codes visible, just shows the main url of the pay site and are in place of the listing that should go to the real site intended for.
                                                it also happens with type in's

                                                like if someone types your domain into the address bar in IE and leaves off the .com it will use msn for the most likely match ( wich will run thru wildline )
                                                hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                  • Rui
                                                    web
                                                    • Dec 2001
                                                    • 9533
                                                    #163
                                                    Hard situation since well...it would be nice to have the spot you deserve by rigth, neverthless that affiliate is working WITH you and paying for that privileged spot...

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                                                      • SmokeyTheBear
                                                        ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                        • Jun 2004
                                                        • 28609
                                                        #164
                                                        Originally posted by Troels
                                                        One thing is for sure, they opened up for fullblown attacks on these listings. What would it take for wildline to dump a certain paysite name? Lots of unproductive hits..

                                                        These paysite name listings are golden though. You have no idea how difficult it is to get them on google. You need to direct a lot of linkjuice to the page to get in the top10 for a bangbros/topbucks site.
                                                        yahoo is counting on the fact people will optimize for google thus increasing the ranking of sites to sell to wildline on yahoo ..

                                                        If it werent for seo , nobody would link directly to a sponsor.. thus making those links non-existing in the serp's

                                                        if google did this people would just stop optimizing for ref links to sponsors , they would optimize for FPA's that cant be bought out by 3rd parties
                                                        hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                          • SmokeyTheBear
                                                            ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                            • Jun 2004
                                                            • 28609
                                                            #165
                                                            Originally posted by Kevsh
                                                            A few more observations:

                                                            If you goto Wildline's redirect page (www.wildlinecorp.com/app/kk.php) without any parameters you get taken to a page promoting all NastyDollar sites

                                                            This does change things a bit in that IF wildline was simply using the submission program and getting links to sponsor sites listed #1 "naturally", I can't see a page that defaults to a redirect to another domain ranking #1 ... at least not easily!

                                                            Also, the redirect script points to all of their sites so it would again be very hard to achieve a #1 position for so many keywords from a single "page".

                                                            Next up, look at these search results for "Next Door Nikki" on another search engine:
                                                            http://www.nekoo.com.ar/search/next-door-nikki/1-2.html

                                                            Result #15 is a direct, titled URL from WildLine that takes you right to Nikki's home page. It uses the above-mentioned script.

                                                            But notice the description underneath the title/link:
                                                            "The Huge Natural Rack on this beautiful girl makes for an extraordinary package. Unbelievable tits on such a cute little body. Tantalizing, TITilating fun for just $24.95"

                                                            That does not show up on Nikki's home page ... and since this is a redir URL it shouldn't be cached nor the title/desc/content used in a listing. But it also shows up as the decription in Yahoo.

                                                            Nooooowww, way over in Google NONE of the kk.php pages are indexed properly - either that have been flagged for duplicate content or some other reason. Clearly, this file has a redirection portion to it (duh), but what's more relevant is it's getting descriptions/title tags, etc. listed in Yahoo that don't match the destination site.

                                                            What does all this mean?
                                                            More work for me haha
                                                            But you can conclude that the kk.php is using cloaking and/or their pages are turning up #1 on Yahoo because the various "versions" of the page are optimized very well for their target keyword(s) - getting the kk.php indexed on various other sites as noted
                                                            above.

                                                            None of this necessarily points out Yahoo is selling anything, yet.
                                                            i think the description is coming from the directory listing that is paid for by the site owner..

                                                            edit - scratch that , its the opposite way around hmm
                                                            Last edited by SmokeyTheBear; 01-04-2006, 12:13 PM.
                                                            hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                              • Quickdraw
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Mar 2004
                                                                • 1717
                                                                #166
                                                                Those come from the xml feed that is used.

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                                                                  • Persignup Qon
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Jun 2005
                                                                    • 853
                                                                    #167
                                                                    ok.... you're USING yahoo to make YOU money thru THEIR search engine now you're mad they're making money off you and your work?






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                                                                      • spermpie
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Mar 2004
                                                                        • 85
                                                                        #168
                                                                        Yahoo can do anything with his traffic.

                                                                        It?s not your right to get it.

                                                                        And why are people searching your pay site name anyway?
                                                                        Maybe because they've seen a gallery promoting your site or a free site or a banner ... created by some affiliate

                                                                        why has to be your right to get that traffic?

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                                                                          • bdld
                                                                            $100,000
                                                                            • Dec 2001
                                                                            • 11452
                                                                            #169
                                                                            surfers wouldn't know the difference, the serps would still be just as relevant, if the only change is sending to a site with a ref code as opposed to no ref code. its a smart way for them to earn extra money without compromising their integrity to their surfers.

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                                                                              • seeric
                                                                                ..........
                                                                                • Aug 2004
                                                                                • 41917
                                                                                #170
                                                                                Originally posted by Persignup Qon
                                                                                ok.... you're USING yahoo to make YOU money thru THEIR search engine now you're mad they're making money off you and your work?

                                                                                ..
                                                                                not at all.

                                                                                we are CONCERNED why they are selling it to someone else, when it clearly shows a www.exactname.com domain that we own for each site in question. if they were to tell me i have to pay X amount for that position, many of us would take it, even though we rank there anyhow for that tld exact name search with their current algorithmns. thats all anyone is saying here.

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                                                                                  • Manowar
                                                                                    jellyfish  
                                                                                    • Dec 2003
                                                                                    • 71528
                                                                                    #171
                                                                                    Originally posted by bdld
                                                                                    surfers wouldn't know the difference, the serps would still be just as relevant, if the only change is sending to a site with a ref code as opposed to no ref code. its a smart way for them to earn extra money without compromising their integrity to their surfers.
                                                                                    You have to wonder how long it will be until they start selling keywords like "CDs" or "DVDs" or "Toys" to affiliates.

                                                                                    It's not so much what they are doing now, it's the principles of selling their results to the highest bidder by decieving the surfer.

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                                                                                      • BV
                                                                                        wtf
                                                                                        • Sep 2001
                                                                                        • 10914
                                                                                        #172
                                                                                        Originally posted by Persignup Qon
                                                                                        ok.... you're USING yahoo to make YOU money thru THEIR search engine now you're mad they're making money off you and your work?

                                                                                        ..

                                                                                        How would you like it if wildonline bought the clicks from your #1 link listed here: http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=onp...b-t&fl=0&x=wrt

                                                                                        and redirected them to: http://www.freakydeak.com
                                                                                        That scenario is currently happening to us now, wait till it happens to you and then post here again.

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                                                                                          • maxjohan
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Dec 2002
                                                                                            • 7219
                                                                                            #173
                                                                                            Your site is a paysitehole, How often do you update with free submissions?


                                                                                            Last edited by maxjohan; 01-04-2006, 01:05 PM.
                                                                                            I went from 100 to 313,000 satoshis in 2 days! Lots of daily freerolls...

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                                                                                              • TheJimmy
                                                                                                ICQ- five seven 0 2 5 5 0
                                                                                                • Jan 2001
                                                                                                • 10747
                                                                                                #174
                                                                                                Originally posted by A1R3K
                                                                                                heres what i snagged from seochat.

                                                                                                looks like this is what kevsh found.

                                                                                                Web Results may also include links to sites that participate in the Content Acquisition Program (CAP). CAP enables content providers to submit web content directly to Yahoo! for review and inclusion in the Yahoo! Search index; content providers that participate in CAP through the Search Submit program pay for these services. Participation in CAP or Site Match does not guarantee placement or ranking in search results but additional information made available through the direct data feeds may increase or decrease relevance depending on the search query.

                                                                                                sounds a lot like the inktomi inclusion thing...

                                                                                                in-ter-est-ting

                                                                                                Investor with 5m - 15m USD to invest. Do you have a site or network of sites earning 50k - 200k a month income? Email your contact and preliminary data to: domain.cashventures (at) gmail.com....Please...no tire kickers...serious offers and inquiries only.

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                                                                                                  • OzMan
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Sep 2003
                                                                                                    • 9162
                                                                                                    #175
                                                                                                    Originally posted by oldtimer
                                                                                                    Search engines are no different than TGP's. Free listings are just content to attract traffic. Once they have the traffic, they will sell whatever listings they can for as much as they can.

                                                                                                    SEO's may not like it, but in the long run the money making spots will go to whoever is willing to pay the most. No one has the "right" to be listed #1 for free. If you think you do... try taking the seach engines to court over it.
                                                                                                    From what I've seen on numerous occasions (not all), if you aren't number one for your domain you could get the SE's to fix it for you.

                                                                                                    You have more of a right to be listed number 1 for your domain than the SE's do to steal and repackage your content and make money off it without asking you. The SE's can do whatever they want with your content until challenged like many news services and others are doing now.

                                                                                                    But isn't the issue here the sneakiness of it and the loss of income for the site owner? Listing a result artificially at number one to the highest bidder without any hint to the surfer that it is a paid listing is just wrong. Yahoo is evil!

                                                                                                    I am sure they wouldn't allow it if it went to another paysite eg ND going to TCG or whatever.

                                                                                                    The thing that I don't get is that it's been going on for some time so Yahoo is obviously quite cool with it, Wildonline is not a renegade violating TOS..sooo..why the fuck is no one else doing it? Are they consistently the highest bidder and only the first spot with the root domain is for sale?

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                                                                                                      • BV
                                                                                                        wtf
                                                                                                        • Sep 2001
                                                                                                        • 10914
                                                                                                        #176
                                                                                                        Originally posted by maxjohan
                                                                                                        Your site is a paysitehole, How often do you update with free submissions?


                                                                                                        huh? what does that have to do with anything?

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                                                                                                          • BV
                                                                                                            wtf
                                                                                                            • Sep 2001
                                                                                                            • 10914
                                                                                                            #177
                                                                                                            Originally posted by OzMan
                                                                                                            From what I've seen on numerous occasions (not all), if you aren't number one for your domain you could get the SE's to fix it for you.

                                                                                                            You have more of a right to be listed number 1 for your domain than the SE's do to steal and repackage your content and make money off it without asking you. The SE's can do whatever they want with your content until challenged like many news services and others are doing now.

                                                                                                            But isn't the issue here the sneakiness of it and the loss of income for the site owner? Listing a result artificially at number one to the highest bidder without any hint to the surfer that it is a paid listing is just wrong. Yahoo is evil!

                                                                                                            I am sure they wouldn't allow it if it went to another paysite eg ND going to TCG or whatever.

                                                                                                            The thing that I don't get is that it's been going on for some time so Yahoo is obviously quite cool with it, Wildonline is not a renegade violating TOS..sooo..why the fuck is no one else doing it? Are they consistently the highest bidder and only the first spot with the root domain is for sale?
                                                                                                            your still missing a bit of the situation

                                                                                                            our listings are number one, as they always were, or atleast mine was anyways

                                                                                                            the problem is that my listing instead of going to www.bikinivoyeur.com (as it should be and as it displays) yahoo is redirecting it to wildonline

                                                                                                            furthermore there is no longer a listing that goes to the url www.bikinivoyeur.com anywhere in the yahoo search results

                                                                                                            they took our listing and sold it to wildonline to do with it whatever they want for a price

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                                                                                                              • TheJimmy
                                                                                                                ICQ- five seven 0 2 5 5 0
                                                                                                                • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                • 10747
                                                                                                                #178
                                                                                                                Originally posted by BV
                                                                                                                your still missing a bit of the situation

                                                                                                                our listings are number one, as they always were, or atleast mine was anyways

                                                                                                                the problem is that my listing instead of going to www.bikinivoyeur.com (as it should be and as it displays) yahoo is redirecting it to wildonline

                                                                                                                furthermore there is no longer a listing that goes to the url www.bikinivoyeur.com anywhere in the yahoo search results

                                                                                                                they took our listing and sold it to wildonline to do with it whatever they want for a price

                                                                                                                Thhhhhat's fuctttttt...


                                                                                                                Isn't there a legal TM or IP type of angle that can remedy the situation?

                                                                                                                It's not like they're selling off 'air' or 'water' phrases/domains here...
                                                                                                                Investor with 5m - 15m USD to invest. Do you have a site or network of sites earning 50k - 200k a month income? Email your contact and preliminary data to: domain.cashventures (at) gmail.com....Please...no tire kickers...serious offers and inquiries only.

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                                                                                                                  • Kevsh
                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                    • Dec 2004
                                                                                                                    • 8619
                                                                                                                    #179
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by BV
                                                                                                                    your still missing a bit of the situation

                                                                                                                    our listings are number one, as they always were, or atleast mine was anyways

                                                                                                                    the problem is that my listing instead of going to www.bikinivoyeur.com (as it should be and as it displays) yahoo is redirecting it to wildonline

                                                                                                                    furthermore there is no longer a listing that goes to the url www.bikinivoyeur.com anywhere in the yahoo search results

                                                                                                                    they took our listing and sold it to wildonline to do with it whatever they want for a price
                                                                                                                    I'm still not sold that Yahoo *sold* your listing. You will notice - if you look closely - that they have sites listed under other terms that are not ranked #1. Regular SEO-ed pages are listing ahead of them and they are NOT using the Yahoo Submission service or redirecting anywhere.

                                                                                                                    If you see my post above (on this page) you'll see that there are some curious things going on, but to outright claim Yahoo sold the #1 spot to Wildline or another site isn't proven yet.

                                                                                                                    One thing to consider: With all the SEOs out there, Yahoo is aware that people do go through search results with a fine tooth comb - not just surfers blindly clicking on links. What clearly, at first glance, seems to be paid spots among their SERPs would be devastating to their integrity of providing pure search results.

                                                                                                                    Now why on Earth would Yahoo risk that knowing full well they'll be called out on it?

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                                                                                                                      • seeric
                                                                                                                        ..........
                                                                                                                        • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                        • 41917
                                                                                                                        #180
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Kevsh
                                                                                                                        I'm still not sold that Yahoo *sold* your listing. You will notice - if you look closely - that they have sites listed under other terms that are not ranked #1. Regular SEO-ed pages are listing ahead of them and they are NOT using the Yahoo Submission service or redirecting anywhere.

                                                                                                                        If you see my post above (on this page) you'll see that there are some curious things going on, but to outright claim Yahoo sold the #1 spot to Wildline or another site isn't proven yet.

                                                                                                                        One thing to consider: With all the SEOs out there, Yahoo is aware that people do go through search results with a fine tooth comb - not just surfers blindly clicking on links. What clearly, at first glance, seems to be paid spots among their SERPs would be devastating to their integrity of providing pure search results.

                                                                                                                        Now why on Earth would Yahoo risk that knowing full well they'll be called out on it?

                                                                                                                        well, when i spoke to them today, they said that absolutely not they would never do that. so, i am waiting to hear back before i go accusing them officially. however, if they have not, then questionable cloaking and other types of se foolery are going on. i've heard a few other things today, but i am going to chill, instead of having a hot head like i normally do, until i find out for certain, then i will def not be afraid to drop the hammer. i believe your post that they may not be selling them. it will all come out in the wash and then we can all know. until then, all is good. i don't wanna go scream drama and there be nothing, which i almost did.

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                                                                                                                          • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                                            ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                                                            • Jun 2004
                                                                                                                            • 28609
                                                                                                                            #181
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Kevsh
                                                                                                                            I'm still not sold that Yahoo *sold* your listing. You will notice - if you look closely - that they have sites listed under other terms that are not ranked #1. Regular SEO-ed pages are listing ahead of them and they are NOT using the Yahoo Submission service or redirecting anywhere.

                                                                                                                            If you see my post above (on this page) you'll see that there are some curious things going on, but to outright claim Yahoo sold the #1 spot to Wildline or another site isn't proven yet.

                                                                                                                            One thing to consider: With all the SEOs out there, Yahoo is aware that people do go through search results with a fine tooth comb - not just surfers blindly clicking on links. What clearly, at first glance, seems to be paid spots among their SERPs would be devastating to their integrity of providing pure search results.

                                                                                                                            Now why on Earth would Yahoo risk that knowing full well they'll be called out on it?
                                                                                                                            i dont think that what he means..

                                                                                                                            what he means is instead of "inserting" the wildline "paid" link into he #1 slot and bumping his already existing #1 spot to #2 or vice versa, they instead "replaced" his exisiting #1 rank with the paid wildline one

                                                                                                                            It works the same way with #2 or #3 spot . SEE "next door nikki"
                                                                                                                            hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                                                                                              • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                                                ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                                                                • Jun 2004
                                                                                                                                • 28609
                                                                                                                                #182
                                                                                                                                you will notice the first spot is nextdoornikki site with some extra stuff , that one is not wildline, the link below it #2 spot is plain www.nextdoornikki.com and that one IS replaced..
                                                                                                                                hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                                                                                                  • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                                                    ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                                                                    • Jun 2004
                                                                                                                                    • 28609
                                                                                                                                    #183
                                                                                                                                    basically it looks like it only replaces the root of a domain , if a higher seo'd page ( on the same domain ) outranks the root of the domain it isnt replaced. like www.example/insidelink.html wouldnt be replaced if it was ranked higher than www.example.com but no matter what the root is replaced if thats all there is
                                                                                                                                    hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                                                                                                      • OzMan
                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                        • Sep 2003
                                                                                                                                        • 9162
                                                                                                                                        #184
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by BV
                                                                                                                                        your still missing a bit of the situation

                                                                                                                                        our listings are number one, as they always were, or atleast mine was anyways

                                                                                                                                        the problem is that my listing instead of going to www.bikinivoyeur.com (as it should be and as it displays) yahoo is redirecting it to wildonline

                                                                                                                                        furthermore there is no longer a listing that goes to the url www.bikinivoyeur.com anywhere in the yahoo search results

                                                                                                                                        they took our listing and sold it to wildonline to do with it whatever they want for a price
                                                                                                                                        Yes I understand that and thought I said that in my post..or maybe I just thought it lol

                                                                                                                                        ..and to Kevsh's last post.. You might be right after all as how could Yahoo expect this situation to last and that would explain why only one company has managed to take all the top listings...BUT Yahoo would surely have dropped them by now if it was a sneaky SEO trick but this has been going on for two three months at least...

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                                                                                                                                          • wedouglas
                                                                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                            • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                            • 5921
                                                                                                                                            #185
                                                                                                                                            This thread isnt dead yet? If a sponsor wants it gone, all they have to do is tell yahoo that it is an affiliate and voila or just can the affiliate.

                                                                                                                                            If an affiliate actually replaced my number one spot i would notify him and tell him to remove it or can him.

                                                                                                                                            if my spot was still there, i woudlnt care, but the fact that it is replaced is bullshit and i wouldnt allow it.
                                                                                                                                            Last edited by wedouglas; 01-04-2006, 01:58 PM.

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                                                                                                                                              • BV
                                                                                                                                                wtf
                                                                                                                                                • Sep 2001
                                                                                                                                                • 10914
                                                                                                                                                #186
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                                                                i dont think that what he means..

                                                                                                                                                what he means is instead of "inserting" the wildline "paid" link into he #1 slot and bumping his already existing #1 spot to #2 or vice versa, they instead "replaced" his exisiting #1 rank with the paid wildline one

                                                                                                                                                It works the same way with #2 or #3 spot . SEE "next door nikki"
                                                                                                                                                exactly

                                                                                                                                                and in addition to that mine (an actual link to www.bikinivoyeur.com) is no where to be found in the results

                                                                                                                                                which from a seo standpoint is retarded

                                                                                                                                                this is why i believe yahoo had to sell it, because if wildonline just cloaked a page to get a #1 result the real original page should still show up somewhere

                                                                                                                                                now it does not

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                                                                                                                                                  • seeric
                                                                                                                                                    ..........
                                                                                                                                                    • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                                    • 41917
                                                                                                                                                    #187
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by BV

                                                                                                                                                    this is why i believe yahoo had to sell it, because if wildonline just cloaked a page to get a #1 result the real original page should still show up somewhere

                                                                                                                                                    now it does not

                                                                                                                                                    absolutely.

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                                                                                                                                                      • NoHassleSteve
                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                        • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                                                        • 450
                                                                                                                                                        #188
                                                                                                                                                        I think a lot of affiliates forget that they are given a 'cut' for delivering new
                                                                                                                                                        sales leads that the paysite OTHERWISE wasn't getting. Paysite and program
                                                                                                                                                        owners aren't paying affiliates to do SEO to get a #1 Google spot that had
                                                                                                                                                        been already going to the paysite.

                                                                                                                                                        Especially with long-term cookies now, more affiliates are finding an existing
                                                                                                                                                        stream of traffic already going to a paysite and getting their code slapped
                                                                                                                                                        on it rahter than creating or attracting the new traffic sources that the
                                                                                                                                                        paysites are paying for.

                                                                                                                                                        I don't think there really aren't any parallels to it in the brick-and-mortar
                                                                                                                                                        world because they wouldn't tolerate it.
                                                                                                                                                        Tai Lynn - Asian model with 50% revshare
                                                                                                                                                        Teen Dolls with Alyssa Doll -- 60% payouts Spunkbucks PPS and Revshare
                                                                                                                                                        NS Cash -- sites with pornstars and fresh faces -- 60% payouts

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                                                                                                                                                          • bigdog
                                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                            • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                            • 6964
                                                                                                                                                            #189
                                                                                                                                                            Don't player hate

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                                                                                                                                                              • devilspost
                                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                                                                • 3980
                                                                                                                                                                #190
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by NoHassleSteve
                                                                                                                                                                I think a lot of affiliates forget that they are given a 'cut' for delivering new
                                                                                                                                                                sales leads that the paysite OTHERWISE wasn't getting. Paysite and program
                                                                                                                                                                owners aren't paying affiliates to do SEO to get a #1 Google spot that had
                                                                                                                                                                been already going to the paysite.

                                                                                                                                                                Especially with long-term cookies now, more affiliates are finding an existing
                                                                                                                                                                stream of traffic already going to a paysite and getting their code slapped
                                                                                                                                                                on it rahter than creating or attracting the new traffic sources that the
                                                                                                                                                                paysites are paying for.

                                                                                                                                                                I don't think there really aren't any parallels to it in the brick-and-mortar
                                                                                                                                                                world because they wouldn't tolerate it.

                                                                                                                                                                Brothels and Escorts Worldwide.

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                                                                                                                                                                  • seeric
                                                                                                                                                                    ..........
                                                                                                                                                                    • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                                                    • 41917
                                                                                                                                                                    #191
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by devilspost

                                                                                                                                                                    i don't see whats funny. help me out here.

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                                                                                                                                                                      • BV
                                                                                                                                                                        wtf
                                                                                                                                                                        • Sep 2001
                                                                                                                                                                        • 10914
                                                                                                                                                                        #192
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by NoHassleSteve
                                                                                                                                                                        I think a lot of affiliates forget that they are given a 'cut' for delivering new
                                                                                                                                                                        sales leads that the paysite OTHERWISE wasn't getting. Paysite and program
                                                                                                                                                                        owners aren't paying affiliates to do SEO to get a #1 Google spot that had
                                                                                                                                                                        been already going to the paysite.

                                                                                                                                                                        Especially with long-term cookies now, more affiliates are finding an existing
                                                                                                                                                                        stream of traffic already going to a pay site and getting their code slapped
                                                                                                                                                                        on it rahter than creating or attracting the new traffic sources that the
                                                                                                                                                                        paysites are paying for.

                                                                                                                                                                        I don't think there really aren't any parallels to it in the brick-and-mortar
                                                                                                                                                                        world because they wouldn't tolerate it.

                                                                                                                                                                        Good Point!

                                                                                                                                                                        but

                                                                                                                                                                        Don't take me wrong with what I'm saying though, I'm all for my affiliates getting listed in search engines with their aff links attached. We actually designed our fhg and fhs urls to be search engine friendly and I encourage that practise. If you do a search for bikini voyeur or nude beach or whatever you will see tons of my fhg's and such with the affiliate links attached. I'm all for that as those are additional links.

                                                                                                                                                                        This thread is a different issue though. This shit yahoo's doing is fucked up. And if by chance they are not the ones responsible, they are allowing it, so they are still responsible.
                                                                                                                                                                        Last edited by BV; 01-04-2006, 02:25 PM.

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                                                                                                                                                                          • wedouglas
                                                                                                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                            • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                                                            • 5921
                                                                                                                                                                            #193
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by BV
                                                                                                                                                                            Good Point!

                                                                                                                                                                            but

                                                                                                                                                                            Don't take me wrong with what I'm saying though, I'm all for my affiliates getting listed in search engines with their aff links attached. We actually designed our fhg and fhs urls to be search engine friendly and I encourage that practise. If you do a search for bikini voyeur or nude beach or whatever you will see tons of my fhg's and such with the affiliate links attached. I'm all for that as those are additional links.

                                                                                                                                                                            This thread is a different issue though. This shit yahoo's doing is fucked up. And if by chance they are not the ones responsible, they are allowing it, so they are still responsible.
                                                                                                                                                                            Have you sent them an email yet?

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                                                                                                                                                                              • devilspost
                                                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                • 3980
                                                                                                                                                                                #194
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by A1R3K
                                                                                                                                                                                i don't see whats funny. help me out here.
                                                                                                                                                                                I dont feel like I am given a cut. I work to get clicks through to the sponsors. I earn it!

                                                                                                                                                                                Programs pay alot of money to get affilates to sign up and send traffic I would not take a chance to loose them by worrying about seo listings they work to get.

                                                                                                                                                                                Brothels and Escorts Worldwide.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • BV
                                                                                                                                                                                    wtf
                                                                                                                                                                                    • Sep 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 10914
                                                                                                                                                                                    #195
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by wedouglas
                                                                                                                                                                                    Have you sent them an email yet?
                                                                                                                                                                                    Nope, but if my assumptions are correct they probably will be getting served.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • BV
                                                                                                                                                                                        wtf
                                                                                                                                                                                        • Sep 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 10914
                                                                                                                                                                                        #196
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by devilspost
                                                                                                                                                                                        I dont feel like I am given a cut. I work to get clicks through to the sponsors. I earn it!

                                                                                                                                                                                        Programs pay alot of money to get affilates to sign up and send traffic I would not take a chance to loose them by worrying about seo listings they work to get.
                                                                                                                                                                                        they didn't have to work to get these listings were talking about in this thread

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • seeric
                                                                                                                                                                                            ..........
                                                                                                                                                                                            • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 41917
                                                                                                                                                                                            #197
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by devilspost
                                                                                                                                                                                            I dont feel like I am given a cut. I work to get clicks through to the sponsors. I earn it!

                                                                                                                                                                                            Programs pay alot of money to get affilates to sign up and send traffic I would not take a chance to loose them by worrying about seo listings they work to get.

                                                                                                                                                                                            this thread isn't about legit affils that are working hard and geting lisitngs with their codes, we love you guys, i have a tons of hard working seo affils and i love them and leave them alone. what people are talking about here is cloaking and buying sponsors top level domain results. (it remains to be discovered exactly what is happening, but until it does, i wont rule anything out.)

                                                                                                                                                                                            i am an seo myself, and before i came back to adult thats what paid my bills. read around the mainstream seo forums too, lots of pro mainstream seos are not vibing on this wildline thing either. like i said, i will wait to see what yahoo says.

                                                                                                                                                                                            let me ask you this question.

                                                                                                                                                                                            do you think that it is ok that wildline is taking referrals on domain keywords that the sponsor already ranks #1 for? this is work thta the sonsor did on their own domains to gain that position. is it fair that a seo marketing company is in some way taking that top level domain name keyword search and redirecting that search result through their affil code to get credit for traffic that the sponsor worked for on their own. jsut a simple question. like i said, i am not going to fully pass judgement until i get the 100% accurate answer from yahoo about what is happening. yahoo says they don't sell off peoples tld search results. what does that leave?
                                                                                                                                                                                            Last edited by seeric; 01-04-2006, 02:41 PM.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • seeric
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 41917
                                                                                                                                                                                                #198
                                                                                                                                                                                                p.s. yahoo said that they would reply with an answer in 24-48 hours.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • devilspost
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 3980
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #199
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by A1R3K
                                                                                                                                                                                                    let me ask you this question.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    do you think that it is ok that wildline is taking referrals on domain keywords that the sponsor already ranks #1 for? this is work thta the sonsor did on their own domains to gain that position. is it fair that a seo marketing company is in some way taking that top level domain name keyword search and redirecting that search result through their affil code to get credit for traffic that the sponsor worked for on their own. jsut a simple question. like i said, i am not going to fully pass judgement until i get the 100% accurate answer from yahoo about what is happening. yahoo says they don't sell off peoples tld search results. what does that leave?
                                                                                                                                                                                                    I think people will take advantage of ways to make money anyway they can.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    It is yahoo's traffic. I dont think it looks all that good for them but that is an ethics question isnt it?

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I am sure you can find shit like this done on adult sites and business to.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Brothels and Escorts Worldwide.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • BV
                                                                                                                                                                                                        wtf
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Sep 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 10914
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #200
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by A1R3K
                                                                                                                                                                                                        do you think that it is ok that wildline is taking referrals on domain keywords that the sponsor already ranks #1 for? this is work thta the sonsor did on their own domains to gain that position. is it fair that a seo marketing company is in some way taking that top level domain name keyword search and redirecting that search result through their affil code to get credit for traffic that the sponsor worked for on their own. jsut a simple question. like i said, i am not going to fully pass judgement until i get the 100% accurate answer from yahoo about what is happening. yahoo says they don't sell off peoples tld search results. what does that leave?
                                                                                                                                                                                                        My answer to your question might surprise you because YES, if wildline or any other affiliate can make a page that ranks number 1 and bumps me down the list then KUDOS to them and more power to them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I don't think that's the case with this issue as explained in above posts.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Last edited by BV; 01-04-2006, 02:54 PM.

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