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No, had a reflink indexd in yahoo & google.Originally posted by SmokeyTheBearyou had wildline.com show up on google pointing to your site ?
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Originally posted by Murderous
ok your right i think i oversimplified it a bit.. i wouldnt close the affiliates account, i would just explain that wildline wasnt permitted to send traffic to the site.. just as i would explain to a traffic broker who was buying hits from a warez site.. the traffic broker isnt to blame , but if he continues to accept that traffic then he can no longer send it..hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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we arent talking about ref linksOriginally posted by spacedog
we are talking about non ref links
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tHAT IS WRONG.Originally posted by QuickdrawIt's Yahoo, it doesn't need explaining
Seriously, it can be luck of the draw, how many links/pages you have pointing to that aff code etc. I am not clear on all those details, as they seem to be ever changing.
Yahoo does have a policy about affiliate links being included within thier Sitematch/cap programs. So either they don't enforce it, or the submitter is simply saying the funny url is just a simple tracking code.
Using these programs can be luck of the draw. I submitted one of my sites via a third party, and the only real listing I received was the one for the domain name, which of course I had before I payed. So before the listing was 'free', but after submission every click was costing ~.25 per click.
If you can manage to get listings other than for just your name it can be worth it, just not cheap, and the sites better convert in an amazing fashion
When people submit the sites they are not guaranteed anything but to have their page(s) spidered and updated on a regular basis. Optimization of the submitted pages/info still must be done.
Or so I have heard
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wow. 45 minutes on the phone with yahoo. what an experience.
i don't wanna really release what exactly they told me but if you wanna submit a ticket to have something looked at, it would be here. she told me they will get back to me with in 24 and that this section of the company isn't as busy as say the mail dept.
http://add.yahoo.com/fast/help/us/ys...search_support
whether thats the blowoff remains to be the question. the tld that i am questioning has always come up as #1 before wildline.Comment
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btw how, how can an affiliate ue wildline, they specifically say no affiliates, just paysite ownersComment
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There is a deal in the bg here. I don't know how many people Yahoo made the deal with, but this isn't the only company... given I'm not entirely sure how it works either, I'm not saying any more on the board about it.Originally posted by BrujahComment
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Originally posted by A1R3K
LOL! My gf affiliate link is in 5th spotSocial profile assassination for hireComment
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Originally posted by Kimmykim
i'll get to the bottom of it. i got a way of finding stuff out.
if in fact there is some secret deal then. hmmmmmmn. not gonna say any more about it on the board.
gonna buy you a pina coloda in costa rica kimmy
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thats absolutely fine. i see nothing wrong there.Originally posted by Vox
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heres another "cliff note" example..
I am a company that sells "pink flamingo's"
A guy comes to me says i can find you customers, pay me 5% for every customer "
i say sure...
the next week i notice my phone isnt ringing at all , all my customers have dried up.. but this new guy is sending lots of customers so im not worried.. so i look in the phonebook to see if they printed my phone number correctly and notice to my shock , theres a completely different phone number for MY buisness, when i call it i find out its my new "friend" that has been selling me my existing customers for a 5% cut
do you blame the phone company for selling the spot where your phone number used to be ( using your company name and info ) or do you blame the "friend"hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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its not a secret as when i talked to yahoo about it last month they told me all about it "CAP" , but not how to become part of itOriginally posted by A1R3Ki'll get to the bottom of it. i got a way of finding stuff out.
if in fact there is some secret deal then. hmmmmmmn. not gonna say any more about it on the board.
gonna buy you a pina coloda in costa rica kimmy
heres another thread about this
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ght=ravenrileyhatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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Originally posted by SmokeyTheBearits not a secret as when i talked to yahoo about it last month they told me all about it "CAP" , but not how to become part of it
heres another thread about this
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ght=ravenriley
thanks man. extra info is appreciated.Comment
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Originally posted by SmokeyTheBearits not a secret as when i talked to yahoo about it last month they told me all about it "CAP" , but not how to become part of it
heres another thread about this
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ght=ravenriley
http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/srchsb/sse_pr.php
look here. That is it.
If that is indeed what it is, that is terribly unprofitable for any other than a site owner and yahoo
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Originally posted by wedouglashttp://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/srchsb/sse_pr.php
look here. That is it.
If that is indeed what it is, that is terribly unprofitable for any other than a site owner and yahoo
looks kind of like it , but unless every link i have seen is against the TOS
We do not accept URLs that include any of the following:
Drug or pharmacy content
Gambling content
Predominantly affiliate content
URLs that have substantially the same content as other domains available on the web
URLs whose sole purpose is to direct the user to another page (example: doorway pages)
URLs for pages that hide or disguise text from the user
Cross-linking sites excessively, to inflate a site's apparent popularity
i think thats for ones that are listed as sponsor ads not CAPhatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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What is wrong? My reply to adultchica, or the practice of selling these links?Originally posted by xxxjayComment
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btw this also happens with TYPEINS tied into msnhatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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he means selling the linksOriginally posted by Quickdrawhatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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Well, yahoo allows wildline to do it. Pehraps they trust wildline is not breaking their rules, when in fact they are.Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
I bet an email to yahoo or wildline would kill this fast.Comment
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no i think wildline is using a different program that isnt public.Originally posted by wedouglashatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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"Through Search Submit Express you can submit your listings for consideration to appear in algorithmic search results powered by the Yahoo! search engine."
"Whether you submit a few pages or your entire Web site, Search Submit Express offers a single point of submission into Yahoo!, AltaVista, AllTheWeb, and other portals."
http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/srchsb/sse.php
Taken form the link I gave you. I think that is exactly what it is.
It is listed in the organic results, and it is all those other sites too.Comment
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I think that is the same thing, just on a larger scale.Originally posted by QuickdrawComment
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It's a high jack. Kidnapping. Ransom. Warning shot....whatever you want to call it.
They have gotten your attention.
Now go give them business. You shut them down I hardly doubt it will hurt their bottom line.★★★
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this looks more like it.. but i think they are supposed to be selling the spots "on behalf of clients" not themselves. and they are supposed to be probably following the same rules as the one wedouglas posted.Originally posted by Quickdrawhatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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BikiniVoyeur.com has been in the yahoo directory since 2000. Maybe 99 I can't exactly remember atm.
www.wildlinecorp.com has been an affiliate of mine since April of 2005
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=bik...v1-&fl=0&x=wrt
Guess I'm owned as well as the 1st link that looks like it goes to the root url actually redirects thru ccbills script to Wildonlines acct.
I'm not sure how to feel but I can tell you I would never consider shit canning them.
But I do agree with smokey that if the site in question is listed in the directory they should not sell out the top link like that, ESPECIALLY from a search point of view as it is very deceiving to the surfer. Surfer wants to find the root level domain, finds it in the directory in #1, but then when he clicks on it gets redirected off to another url than shown. VERY DECIEVING BY YAHOO IMOComment
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i woldnt shitcan the affil , but if you inform yahoo that you dont want your site going thru wildline , all that would happen is the links would just go to your site like normal , you dont actually lose anything.Originally posted by BVBikiniVoyeur.com has been in the yahoo directory since 2000. Maybe 99 I can't exactly remember atm.
www.wildlinecorp.com has been an affiliate of mine since April of 2005
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=bik...v1-&fl=0&x=wrt
Guess I'm owned as well as the 1st link that looks like it goes to the root url actually redirects thru ccbills script to Wildonlines acct.
I'm not sure how to feel but I can tell you I would never consider shit canning them.
But I do agree with smokey that if the site in question is listed in the directory they should not sell out the top link like that, ESPECIALLY from a search point of view as it is very deceiving to the surfer. Surfer wants to find the root level domain, finds it in the directory in #1, but then when he clicks on it gets redirected off to another url than shown. VERY DECIEVING BY YAHOO IMO
I would file a dmca complaint to yahoohatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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its like the phone company selling your phonebook listing to a diff company who then sells you those customers.. i would be mad at yahoo for misrepresenting the company as yours. if wildline goes down , people think your site is down as it says www.yoursite.comhatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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just out of curiosity , how much are they making per click ?Originally posted by BVBikiniVoyeur.com has been in the yahoo directory since 2000. Maybe 99 I can't exactly remember atm.
www.wildlinecorp.com has been an affiliate of mine since April of 2005
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=bik...v1-&fl=0&x=wrt
Guess I'm owned as well as the 1st link that looks like it goes to the root url actually redirects thru ccbills script to Wildonlines acct.
I'm not sure how to feel but I can tell you I would never consider shit canning them.
But I do agree with smokey that if the site in question is listed in the directory they should not sell out the top link like that, ESPECIALLY from a search point of view as it is very deceiving to the surfer. Surfer wants to find the root level domain, finds it in the directory in #1, but then when he clicks on it gets redirected off to another url than shown. VERY DECIEVING BY YAHOO IMOhatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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wow, this thread got interesting
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The phone company... the friend hasn't anything to do with it. Is it his phonebook? Did HE publish the incorrect number?Originally posted by SmokeyTheBearheres another "cliff note" example..
I am a company that sells "pink flamingo's"
A guy comes to me says i can find you customers, pay me 5% for every customer "
i say sure...
the next week i notice my phone isnt ringing at all , all my customers have dried up.. but this new guy is sending lots of customers so im not worried.. so i look in the phonebook to see if they printed my phone number correctly and notice to my shock , theres a completely different phone number for MY buisness, when i call it i find out its my new "friend" that has been selling me my existing customers for a 5% cut
do you blame the phone company for selling the spot where your phone number used to be ( using your company name and info ) or do you blame the "friend"
It is worth 5% just for him NOT to be sending these people to your direct competition for a cut haha.
How hard is this to see?Comment
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Yahoo picked up a few of my affiliate links this last month and sends nice traffic. I never intened to have the sites listed but yahoo picked them up anyways somehow. If a sponsor removed these links I would be pissed. It was the luck of the draw at least for me
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yup, but if you tell yahoo what wildline is doing, you can bet wildline is gonna get into some shit. I would simply tell wildline to remove the link asap.Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
if they dont, just tell yahoo.
who cares if they are a good affiliate. you'll make that money anyway on your own.
they are violating TOS of another company. that is there choice. I highly doubt yahoo will tell them it was you.Comment
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thats not what we are talking about... dont worry ..Originally posted by vanderwebYahoo picked up a few of my affiliate links this last month and sends nice traffic. I never intened to have the sites listed but yahoo picked them up anyways somehow. If a sponsor removed these links I would be pissed. It was the luck of the draw at least for mehatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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Thanks saw a little bit of this area mentioned earlier; sorry was a bit off topicOriginally posted by SmokeyTheBear
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First, I'm 99.99% of the time on the side of affiliates in terms of rankings and so forth. I feel if your affiliate link outranks the sponsor, tough shit to them.
But this is hijacking a domain in my opinion. I'm torn on whether the affiliate should be shitcanned for "gaming" the system or if Yahoo! should be getting the blunt of the wrath.Comment
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i would blame the phone company too , i might feel a bit slighted by the affiliate though because they know they are buying misrepresented traffic..Originally posted by Murderous
infact i just thought of a perfect REAL life example that ACTUALLy happened to me.. thats rather funny too..
I own some places in central america. One of them is on an island near el salvador. Whenever i am around the kids in the area take plyers to my water taps.. they remove the spigot so the water just spurts out of my wall creating a huge river. They then sell them to the only store on the island , whom eventually i have to buy a new spigot from or my well runs dry.. They obviously know these kids are stealing my water taps , so im buying my own water taps back from the store..
So im not mad at the affiliate ( the store ) other than if they said ' we arent buying your spigot' from the children they wouldnt have anywhere to sell them thus they woulnt take my spigots thus solving the problem
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you know i'm not going to go into detailed info here, but i just ran the .15 per click that yahoo says they are charging for that, and even with the conversion ratio that they have, (which is obviously stellar, based on the ridiculously targeted search phase), and there is no way that this computes for them. no way. something else is up. theres some puzzle pieces missing here.
lets use a hypothetical customer, hypothetical ratio(believeable one), and the true number that yahoo says it charges for those positions through this program.
100,000 clicks hypothetically
$30 a sale hypothetically on an average.
.15 ppc for yahoo search placement for adult keywords.
1:250 ratio (very believeable on traffic this qualified for a site that they are obviously looking for) also hypothetical.
100,000 clicks = $15,000
hypothetically, lets say that for the sake of argument that 60% of them made it to the join page. argue this as we may. if my math is fuxored feel free to correct me.
60,000 to join page, hypothetically. we all know that this is very generous, very.
1:250 conversion ratio into 60,000 = 240 sales @ 30 bucks = 7200.00. this obviously deducts no denials, fraud, chargebacks, credits or anything like that.
these numbers can be over whatever period you want them to be.
the math doesn't compute.
if i am wrong feel free to correct me. trolls don't bother. this is for hypothetical analysis here.
i'm not vibing on this whole .15 per click thing.Comment
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Originally posted by pocketkangaroo
exactly , i wouldnt shit can them , but if you ban the practise of using traffic like that then the affiliate becomes useless ( unless they actually do have something to give ) thats a better way to do it.. programs ban using traffic from warez or emails its the same thing.. if an affil buys traffic from a broker who bought it from email spam , the program would have no choice but to ban the affilhatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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well the other program is basically an affiliate program for affiliates so thats what wildline is supposed to charge its "customers" but they must get the clicks at a much cheaper rate, if they just make the affil account themselves they cut out the middlemanOriginally posted by A1R3Khatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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A1R3K, your math is fine, but the numbers you've chosen seem completely unrealistic. These people are searching for a site name. You can bet your ass this traffic is converting way better than 1:250, and i'm not talking about join page traffic either. I think search engine traffic for a site name is very similar to type-in traffic. I own some typo domains that receive type-in traffic, and they all convert better than 1 in 100. Some convert better than 1 in 50.26 + 6 = 1Comment
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I'd say they get a good discount on the .15 per clickComment
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Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
true. by saying 60,000 to the join page, i am playing the attrition cruve of whatever the hell happens to traffic along the way, a denial, immediate cancellation and credit, what have you. lost clicks, browser freeze, anything like that. even at .06 a click you are looking at 6,000.00 in ppc. once you've rolled credits, chargebacks, fraud, and deducted the amount of clicks that would just not load page or whatever, i think that you'd cut that profit margin so thin that its not even worth it. i don't know, i just don't see that they are paying .15 a click, which to me means something is not kosher here. i may have to take off the tin foil hat when i hear back from yahoo, but i don't see wildline as being unintelligent by any means. i think exactly the opposite. kimmy may have something. she always has her ear to the ground and i trust when she in not so many ways says that theres potentially something else there.
we need a tin foil hat smiley on this board, someone summon texas dreams.Comment
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you got a very valid point. thanks.Originally posted by chodadog it makes sense on a volume buy on their part then.
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very true , i think its quite possible to still make money at 15 cents per click with targetted traffic like that but just barely..Originally posted by chodadoghatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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Doing it en-masse for the biggest sites and probably more that we haven't found yet might increase the revenue, especially with more targetted sites having better conversionsOriginally posted by SmokeyTheBearComment
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well they dont say how much they charge for the master affiliate accounts only for what affiliates are charged, so if they even bother to have a program for master affiliates it HAS to be cheaper or else people would just sign up thru yahoo themselvesOriginally posted by A1R3Ktrue. by saying 60,000 to the join page, i am playing the attrition cruve of whatever the hell happens to traffic along the way, a denial, immediate cancellation and credit, what have you. lost clicks, browser freeze, anything like that. even at .06 a click you are looking at 6,000.00 in ppc. once you've rolled credits, chargebacks, fraud, and deducted the amount of clicks that would just not load page or whatever, i think that you'd cut that profit margin so thin that its not even worth it. i don't know, i just don't see that they are paying .15 a click, which to me means something is not kosher here. i may have to take off the tin foil hat when i hear back from yahoo, but i don't see wildline as being unintelligent by any means. i think exactly the opposite. kimmy may have something. she always has her ear to the ground and i trust when she in not so many ways says that theres potentially something else there.
we need a tin foil hat smiley on this board, someone summon texas dreams.hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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.15 per click could actually be very cheap for those spots.. i buy adwords and have paid 50c and higher easily for regular targeted sponsor spots.- Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com
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true. oh i didnt factor countries on a blacklist that would only see an alternate billing method like a dialer page or what have you.Originally posted by SmokeyTheBearComment
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