Yahoo took my hard worked SEO and sold it to an affiliate

**SmokeyTheBear** · 01-04-2006, 07:55 AM

Originally posted by adultchica

I hate to say it but yahoo does NOT sell those spots. It's luck of the draw!

I accidentally ended up with a top spot for a search term on yahoo with my affiliate code in it for a sponsor above their site. I didn't pay for it. Hell, I couldn't afford to pay for it anyway! I'm just a small fry. It lasted a month, it switched around, and then it came back to me again. It seems to do this in cycles.

I do not know what caused the yahoo bot to choose my link affiliate code to the site as I am nowhere NEAR an SEO Guru. It was complete luck. I'm betting yahoo would want thousands of dollars for a spot like that, which I don't have

You dont know what your talking about here.. you might think you do but you dont..

this isnt just ref codes, the urls are sent thru a third party first wildline.com your ref code could never accidently show up there..

**seeric** · 01-04-2006, 07:56 AM

edit: nevermind.

**SmokeyTheBear** · 01-04-2006, 07:58 AM

go to yahoo search for "cumfiesta"

now dont look at the paid results on top but the first result.. thats a directory listing.. now click the link

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=AppyqXjW.4V9hI43TPKo_mFXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2NDd pam44BGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANGN jY2Xzg0/SIG=19p392aug/EXP=1136480173/**http%3a//rdre1.yahoo.com/click%3fu=http%3a//www.wildlinecorp.com/app/kk.php%253Fs%253D94903,sk%253D522$b%253D721%26y=02 A801AA1163A882%26i=482%26c=17490%26q=02%255ESSHPM% 255BL7%257Cjryvzlk%7e6%26e=utf-8%26r=0%26d=wow%7eF666-en-us%26n=LE6KG7NDOMTK6E7U%26s=18%26t=%26m=43BBFE2D%2 6x=01A7A74161C3A100

notice any strange domains in that url there that arent cumfiesta , and arent yahoo ?

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Code:

Cum Fiesta Main Site 
They suck and fuck our cocks like nothing you have ever seen and then get drenched in cum! Don't take my word for it. See for yourself. $4.95 3-day trial.
Category: Adult Galleries > Cum Shots and Facials
www.cumfiesta.com - More from this site - Save - Block

**SmokeyTheBear** · 01-04-2006, 07:58 AM

Originally posted by A1R3K

edit: nevermind.

your right about the content aquisition program , i have read about it, but i dont think its supposed to be used this way..

**Quickdraw** · 01-04-2006, 07:58 AM

adultchica
How?

It's Yahoo, it doesn't need explaining

Seriously, it can be luck of the draw, how many links/pages you have pointing to that aff code etc. I am not clear on all those details, as they seem to be ever changing.

Yahoo does have a policy about affiliate links being included within thier Sitematch/cap programs. So either they don't enforce it, or the submitter is simply saying the funny url is just a simple tracking code.

Using these programs can be luck of the draw. I submitted one of my sites via a third party, and the only real listing I received was the one for the domain name, which of course I had before I payed. So before the listing was 'free', but after submission every click was costing ~.25 per click.
If you can manage to get listings other than for just your name it can be worth it, just not cheap, and the sites better convert in an amazing fashion

When people submit the sites they are not guaranteed anything but to have their page(s) spidered and updated on a regular basis. Optimization of the submitted pages/info still must be done.

Or so I have heard

**Tom_PM** · 01-04-2006, 08:00 AM

Yes, a fluke. Luck, like you guessed. It happens all the time.

**spacedog** · 01-04-2006, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear

your ref code could never accidently show up there..

wrong.

I've had several both on google and yahoo

**adultchica** · 01-04-2006, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear

You dont know what your talking about here.. you might think you do but you dont..

this isnt just ref codes, the urls are sent thru a third party first wildline.com your ref code could never accidently show up there..

I probably dont' know what I'm talking about. But I do know that my affiliate link code was on the top of yahoo and I didn't pay for it. It doesn't get much more simple.

I can't explain it though. I have no fucking clue how it happened. As I stated, I don't have the $$$ to cover a thing like that.

I do believe that they charge for some of the spots, but mine wasn't one of them

**SmokeyTheBear** · 01-04-2006, 08:05 AM

Originally posted by spacedog

wrong.

I've had several both on google and yahoo

you had wildline.com show up on google pointing to your site ?

**SmokeyTheBear** · 01-04-2006, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by adultchica

I probably dont' know what I'm talking about. But I do know that my affiliate link code was on the top of yahoo and I didn't pay for it. It doesn't get much more simple.

thats not what we are talking about here , the ref code is not shown... its a directory listing.. did you pay close attention to the example i posted above..

**seeric** · 01-04-2006, 08:07 AM

heres one of our sites as well, i've known about this for a while, actually since wildline became an affil.

cummy pantyhose

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=cum...&cop=&ei=UTF-8

we own cummypantyhose.com.

the search result will show the tld as number one, but the reidrection is through the program that i just showed smokey that kevsh found.

i don't think that wildline is doing anything wrong at all. they are just being very savvy with their game. yahoo is clearly selling our tld out from under us though. cummy pantyhose is optimized pretty well, at least well enough to be the #1 for our tld ownership.

**SmokeyTheBear** · 01-04-2006, 08:07 AM

Originally posted by PR_Tom

Yes, a fluke. Luck, like you guessed. It happens all the time.

its not fluke or luck.. sheesh people , pay close attention.. look at the example posted above..

**adultchica** · 01-04-2006, 08:07 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear

thats not what we are talking about here , the ref code is not shown... its a directory listing.. did you pay close attention to the example i posted above..

Ohhhh ok I'm sorry!

I'm still trying to wake up

**Manowar** · 01-04-2006, 08:09 AM

smokeys right, this is not fluke and luck and the people saying it are confused with ref codes getting into google and yahoo.... not redirects through different domains

**SmokeyTheBear** · 01-04-2006, 08:10 AM

Originally posted by A1R3K

heres one of our sites as well, i've known about this for a while, actually since wildline became an affil.

cummy pantyhose

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=cum...&cop=&ei=UTF-8

we own cummypantyhose.com.

the search result will show the tld as number one, but the reidrection is through the program that i just showed smokey that kevsh found.

i don't think that wildline is doing anything wrong at all. they are just being very savvy with their game. yahoo is clearly selling our tld out from under us though. cummy pantyhose is optimized pretty well, at least well enough to be the #1 for our tld ownership.

but on the wildline site it says its for program owners only not affiliates ( unless of course wildline is the affiliate

)

I dont think wildline is doing anything wrong either, i think yahoo is doing something VERY wrong.. selling something thats already paid for ( i.e. a directory listing )

in my example posted above, cumfiesta paid yahoo a fee for a directory listing, now yahoo is selling the same exact spot and making their directory listing worthless. ( for the most part )

**seeric** · 01-04-2006, 08:12 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear

but on the wildline site it says its for program owners only not affiliates ( unless of course wildline is the affiliate

)

I dont think wildline is doing anything wrong either, i think yahoo is doing something VERY wrong.. selling something thats already paid for ( i.e. a directory listing )

in my example posted above, cumfiesta paid yahoo a fee for a directory listing, now yahoo is selling the same exact spot and making their directory listing worthless. ( for the most part )

yeah, we don't pay them anything for paid listings(wildline). they signed up to ragecash and are essentially sending as an affil.

**Tom_PM** · 01-04-2006, 08:13 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear

its not fluke or luck.. sheesh people , pay close attention.. look at the example posted above..

No, I was replying to adultchica about her refcode listing. I should have quoted her. Her type of thing happens all the time through dumb luck.

I'm familiar with your first thread on wildline also, and bookmarked their site back then for future reference in fact.

**SmokeyTheBear** · 01-04-2006, 08:13 AM

and it worries me in a few ways, what if wildline were to suddenly go down, then people cant access the real site they were looking for..

Or if wildline was evil they could sell cumfiesta's spot to another program..

**SmokeyTheBear** · 01-04-2006, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by A1R3K

yeah, we don't pay them anything for paid listings(wildline). they signed up to ragecash and are essentially sending as an affil.

but they are sending you traffic you already own ? doesnt that make you a bit pissy ?

Like before they signed up , you just got all those hits for free from yahoo with no cut paid to the affiliate , now your paying an affiliate for the same hits you were getting for free.

**u-Bob** · 01-04-2006, 08:16 AM

my yahoo traffic = my google traffic x 250 => yahoo = good.

**seeric** · 01-04-2006, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear

but they are sending you traffic you already own ? doesnt that make you a bit pissy ?

Like before they signed up , you just got all those hits for free from yahoo with no cut paid to the affiliate , now your paying an affiliate for the same hits you were getting for free.

i'm looking into it.

i'm pretty passive unless i think someone has done something wrong. at worst it seems that wildline is just taking advantage of something that yahoo is allowing. so my beef needs to be with yahoo and not the affil that is just taking advantage of a situation that yahoo is allowing.

we're on it.

**SmokeyTheBear** · 01-04-2006, 08:20 AM

i'll make another easy example

I want to sell widgets, i buy www.widgets.com, i then pay yahoo $200 to get in the yahoo directory , now i seo my site for keyword "widgets", i get an affiliate program and start my biz up..

after a year lets say, i sell 10 widgets every month 9 of my widgets are sold by affiliates and 1 of my widgets gets sold thru my yahoo link..

ok now in steps wildline , yahoo sells my link to wildline, now i sell the SAME 10 widgets but now i pay my affiliates for all 10 widget sales , when before i was getting one a month from yahoo..

cliffnotes, i have lost profit..

**SmokeyTheBear** · 01-04-2006, 08:21 AM

Originally posted by u-Bob

my yahoo traffic = my google traffic x 250 => yahoo = good.

it wont be so good if yahoo sells your spot , you will get "ZERO" hits from yahoo , get it ?

**seeric** · 01-04-2006, 08:22 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear

i'll make another easy example

I want to sell widgets, i buy www.widgets.com, i then pay yahoo $200 to get in the yahoo directory , now i seo my site for keyword "widgets", i get an affiliate program and start my biz up..

after a year lets say, i sell 10 widgets every month 9 of my widgets are sold by affiliates and 1 of my widgets gets sold thru my yahoo link..

ok now in steps wildline , yahoo sells my link to wildline, now i sell the SAME 10 widgets but now i pay my affiliates for all 10 widget sales , when before i was getting one a month from yahoo..

cliffnotes, i have lost profit..

correct. and i believe that is the point jay is making from the get go on this thread. good example. thanks man. i'm sure that there are alot of people that are just lurking on this thread that are feverishly checking their domains and contacting yahoo about it as well.

**SmokeyTheBear** · 01-04-2006, 08:24 AM

Originally posted by A1R3K

at worst it seems that wildline is just taking advantage of something that yahoo is allowing. so my beef needs to be with yahoo and not the affil that is just taking advantage of a situation that yahoo is allowing.

well its yahoo's site so really they can do what they want, but if you paid for a directory listing its basically robbery.

and yes wildline is just taking advantage of a good thing.. cant blame them for that , but i would ask them to explain what sales they are sending you that you wouldnt have already been getting ? or ask them to leave the program because your just paying a cut for something you already have..

**Doctor Dre** · 01-04-2006, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by adultchica

I hate to say it but yahoo does NOT sell those spots. It's luck of the draw!

I accidentally ended up with a top spot for a search term on yahoo with my affiliate code in it for a sponsor above their site. I didn't pay for it. Hell, I couldn't afford to pay for it anyway! I'm just a small fry. It lasted a month, it switched around, and then it came back to me again. It seems to do this in cycles.

I do not know what caused the yahoo bot to choose my link affiliate code to the site as I am nowhere NEAR an SEO Guru. It was complete luck. I'm betting yahoo would want thousands of dollars for a spot like that, which I don't have

I've had the #1 spot for a huge paysites for months now too... But they do sell spots... read the whole thread.

**seeric** · 01-04-2006, 08:26 AM

i'd like to see wildline post about this. i'm sure that its made it to them by this point.

**SmokeyTheBear** · 01-04-2006, 08:28 AM

when the first thread about this was posted on gfy , the reason why the program owner started the thread was because they noticed a huge drop in yahoo search engine traffic , but when checking their keywords in yahoo their spots remained in the same spot.. so clearly they are being sold their own traffic..

they had never heard of wildline and didnt even know they were an affiliate.

**sltr** · 01-04-2006, 08:29 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear

i'll make another easy example

I want to sell widgets, i buy www.widgets.com, i then pay yahoo $200 to get in the yahoo directory , now i seo my site for keyword "widgets", i get an affiliate program and start my biz up..

after a year lets say, i sell 10 widgets every month 9 of my widgets are sold by affiliates and 1 of my widgets gets sold thru my yahoo link..

ok now in steps wildline , yahoo sells my link to wildline, now i sell the SAME 10 widgets but now i pay my affiliates for all 10 widget sales , when before i was getting one a month from yahoo..

cliffnotes, i have lost profit..

what about this example:
already selling widgets online without much seo and no affiliate proggie.

wildline steps in and sends traffic v. launching affiliate program 1st.

would that make sense at all?

**SmokeyTheBear** · 01-04-2006, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by sltr

what about this example:
already selling widgets online without much seo and no affiliate proggie.

wildline steps in and sends traffic v. launching affiliate program 1st.

would that make sense at all?

i'm not sure i understand you.. wildline doesnt actually have traffic. they only redirect existing traffic that was already yours

**Crypt** · 01-04-2006, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by Chief

Contact the affiliate talk to him and tell him nicely that you won't pay for that traffic. I'm sure you've already considered or done this, but I do agree yahoo selling 'free' spots is fucked up. But shouldn't be a major problem for you.

Seriously, if one day you own an aff program and do this, you will be a total douchebag to do so.

Some mainstream retards do this, and their program get removed fast from super affiliates listing.

**seeric** · 01-04-2006, 08:44 AM

i'm kinda curious to see how some of the other programs are going to handle this.

i'm looking around at some site that some really big programs own, and they too are paying out to wildline PPS on traffic that is obviously theres. like we all agree, yahoo can do whatever they want within their network, but i think its pretty shitty that they display all the info in the search return for the tld that the programs own, but on click the surfer is redirected through an account that paid yahoo for traffic that you rightfully own.

this could get very interesting. yahoo could easily tell us all to get fucked and make us overbid what wildline is paying them. not very ethical, but then again, what is really as far as alot of things that i've seen happen in this internet bizness.

i would encourage some of the other programs to look around and see how they feel about this too.

**devilspost** · 01-04-2006, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear

i'm not sure i understand you.. wildline doesnt actually have traffic. they only redirect existing traffic that was already yours

it is yahoo's traffic.

**Drake** · 01-04-2006, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear

i'll make another easy example

I want to sell widgets, i buy www.widgets.com, i then pay yahoo $200 to get in the yahoo directory , now i seo my site for keyword "widgets", i get an affiliate program and start my biz up..

after a year lets say, i sell 10 widgets every month 9 of my widgets are sold by affiliates and 1 of my widgets gets sold thru my yahoo link..

ok now in steps wildline , yahoo sells my link to wildline, now i sell the SAME 10 widgets but now i pay my affiliates for all 10 widget sales , when before i was getting one a month from yahoo..

cliffnotes, i have lost profit..

Then why are these program apparently happy?
http://www.wildlinecorp.com/testimonials/

Is this a completley seperate traffic service that wildline offers?

**SmokeyTheBear** · 01-04-2006, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by Crypt

Seriously, if one day you own an aff program and do this, you will be a total douchebag to do so.

Some mainstream retards do this, and their program get removed fast from super affiliates listing.

hmm i thought it was handled rather well , i wouldnt expect a program to pay an affiliate for something they already own..

**SmokeyTheBear** · 01-04-2006, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by devilspost

it is yahoo's traffic.

yup , and like i said they can d what they want with it, but if the program has PIAD yahoo for a directory listing its fairly shady in my opinion

**SmokeyTheBear** · 01-04-2006, 08:48 AM

Originally posted by Mike33

Then why are these program apparently happy?
http://www.wildlinecorp.com/testimonials/

Is this a completley seperate traffic service that wildline offers?

ok i will explain a bit..

If a program doesnt track their traffic very well it would very well appear that wildline was suddenly sending them tons of BONUS hits..

if they checked "default i.e. no ref code sales suddenly drop off the chart"

**SmokeyTheBear** · 01-04-2006, 08:49 AM

Originally posted by A1R3K

i'm kinda curious to see how some of the other programs are going to handle this.

i'm looking around at some site that some really big programs own, and they too are paying out to wildline PPS on traffic that is obviously theres. like we all agree, yahoo can do whatever they want within their network, but i think its pretty shitty that they display all the info in the search return for the tld that the programs own, but on click the surfer is redirected through an account that paid yahoo for traffic that you rightfully own.

this could get very interesting. yahoo could easily tell us all to get fucked and make us overbid what wildline is paying them. not very ethical, but then again, what is really as far as alot of things that i've seen happen in this internet bizness.

i would encourage some of the other programs to look around and see how they feel about this too.

with all respect to wildline, they dont just use yahoo for this.. so if they then buy contextual ads from other sources and combine it with yahoo traffic , then they really are sending you SOME real traffic mixed in with the yahoo traffic that was already yours..

**seeric** · 01-04-2006, 08:51 AM

this is a david and goliath issue.

we = david
yahoo= goliath

like i said, they can tell us to get fucked or they can stop selling our rankings for domains that we own to other people. i just saw some suprising results for companies that you would think would be hip to this. i bet they are paying out the ass.

heres one little example for ya

her first big cock
take a look around folks. run your domain keywords through yahoo.

**SmokeyTheBear** · 01-04-2006, 08:52 AM

i will use my second example above to point out how wildline does GOOD..

in the widgets example , wildline may very well come here and say the difference is wildline will send 3 sales , so the combined total will be 12 sales, you may lose the existing 1 sale that you made with no ref code from yahoo but also 2 more sale you wouldnt have gotten, then it actually works out to a profit for the company . because normally they were making 10 sales a month ( 9 thru affiliates 1 ont heir own ) now they get 12 sales all thru affiliates = more profit

**Quickdraw** · 01-04-2006, 08:52 AM

Fairly often they do get decent listings for other keywords.

This isn't Wildline but it is a similar service. Plus the domain doesn't seem to have a Yahoo category listing.

Black Porn
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=bla...b-t&fl=0&x=wrt

blackgoddess.com
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=bla...b-t&fl=0&x=wrt

In one way the above example is a benefit as the affiliate is paying for a general term that may convert so so. On the other hand they are paying for what Yahoo would normally give to the Owner site as well.(This could very well be the owner utilizing aff links as well, in which case the search for the domain name is costing more than it normally would, but I guess that is a pay to play backfire)

**devilspost** · 01-04-2006, 08:53 AM

Thing is where do yuo stop, say you have typo typins of paysite names do you cut off that to? or have the names in your urls? I just would be happy to get the traffic directly, hell if i was wildline I would filter that shit through my own sites first lol.

**SmokeyTheBear** · 01-04-2006, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by Quickdraw

Fairly often they do get decent listings for other keywords.

This isn't Wildline but it is a similar service. Plus the domain doesn't seem to have a Yahoo category listing.

Black Porn
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=bla...b-t&fl=0&x=wrt

blackgoddess.com
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=bla...b-t&fl=0&x=wrt

im not trying to say it only happens on directory listings , i'm just saying on directory listings its a bit more of a ripoff..

on normal listings its yahoo's program they can do what they want , but on directory listings , people have PAID yahoo for that spot ( or at the very least for the directory listing )

i can also tell you yahoo's excuse, if you look in the actual directory listing , the sites are NOT swapped to wildline, ( because that really would be thievery ) but sadly yahoo is selling people's hard earned seo work.. 9 or it would show duplicate listing with different ranks )

**seeric** · 01-04-2006, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by devilspost

Thing is where do yuo stop, say you have typo typins of paysite names do you cut off that to? or have the names in your urls? I just would be happy to get the traffic directly, hell if i was wildline I would filter that shit through my own sites first lol.

under that CAP program i believe that yahoo will not allow that. someone correct me if i am wrong. if that program is in fact the one that they are utilizing in whatever way to get the results they are paying for.

**Quickdraw** · 01-04-2006, 09:04 AM

I understand Smokey, I was just showing how sometimes owners can get some good from these broader listings(if the buyer is lucky/foolish enough to get too broad of a term), but with that, comes the bad.
It seems to me that it is affecting owners bottom line as this is what, 3 sponsors bringing it to the board?

**wedouglas** · 01-04-2006, 09:05 AM

Whatever affiliate is do that is pretty dumb. Prices are very high. .15 per click for those links.

**SmokeyTheBear** · 01-04-2006, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by A1R3K

under that CAP program i believe that yahoo will not allow that. someone correct me if i am wrong. if that program is in fact the one that they are utilizing in whatever way to get the results they are paying for.

well under the program your right, but that doesnt mean a company couldnt do it.. you would have to take it up with yahoo at that point because i believe you would also start to run into problems with DMCA , like your domain would likely fall under DMCA. Thats still not to say yahoo couldnt do it " sell coke to pepsi's affiliate "

and all this still hinges somewhat on the CAP user ( wildline) .

like if wildline goes down , all those sites would also go down... if someone hacks wildline your fucked.. if wildline gets bought by some cammer and he redirects all hits to a dialer it makes your domain look bad.. like if someone clicks on a ink that clearly says www.widgets.com on it and gets a dialer installed they are going to associate www.widgets.com with dialers

**SmokeyTheBear** · 01-04-2006, 09:14 AM

like i will use another example..

lets say wildline doesnt like xxxjays post, and decides to redirect all his hits to a dialer.. or a virus..

then anyone who visits yahoo and finds www.brazilbang.com and clicks it , they think they are getting a virus/dialer from www.brazilbang.com

sure xxxjay could complain to yahoo and get wildlines CAP closed , but that doesnt help the rep of www.brazilbang.com

**SmokeyTheBear** · 01-04-2006, 09:16 AM

i would say at "best" its misrepresentation on yahoo's part without first obtaining consent from the site owner

**Murderous** · 01-04-2006, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear

hmm i thought it was handled rather well , i wouldnt expect a program to pay an affiliate for something they already own..

FUCK THAT!

You just contradicted yourself in the sense that in a prior reply you say it is yahoos fault and not the affiliates. In my opinion I believe the affiliate still earned it regardless of the efforts made by xxxjay to purchase the spot and or optimize for the listing...

As I said before, live and learn. Back to the drawing board for jay with this experience under his belt. Now where in that does it justify penalizing the affiliate by holding funds or not accepting traffic?

I know this is only a small part of the topic, but it does keep coming up in conversation. Don't you sponsor programs rob the affiliates enough... not to mention all the favoritism over whether the affiliate was established or not, all affiliates should be treated equal and instead of saying the "good" affiliate would be fine in this situation and the not so "good" affiliate should be canned... why the guy who barely makes a living... why not the one who is sending x amount of sales per month.

What's the deal with you people?

Yahoo took my hard worked SEO and sold it to an affiliate

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