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He's going after ebay and pirate bay also, wonder how much of an impact he will have
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It'll get tossed out of court when Prince fails to prove his work is actually "art" or has any merit whatsoever.Comment
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I hope he goes nowhere with it personally the guy is stinking rich why should he care about a few crummy videos of his on youtube.These rich celeb idiots get too much their way.They can make 1 album and if it hits off live of the royaltys of it the rest of their lives.Do you see ordinary people having to live ordinary lives getting royalty payments for last months work done down the factory?
The same i feel about reading about how they have successfully sued to get ownership of dot com sites using their names originally registered by anonymous people before they decide that they have right of ownership in the first place!
Theres loads of michael jacksons despite the famous one so does that mean he can claim ownership of everything using the his name also?
A different case of argument but you dont see them complaining when they get paid huge disgusting amounts of money for years on end for a handful of shitty box office failure films or something do you?Comment
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he has a pretty good point... they can filter porn and kp out almost instantly but they claim they can't filter out copyrighted content?
If you show an active involvement in filtering the content (as youtube does with adult themes) then that means you are taking responsibility for the content.
Service providers EITHER get to say "it's the wild wild west, we have no control, we are just a service provider" OOOR you get to say "we monitor and police the content".. but you can't selectively choose which one you are depending on the content of the videos.$50 FREE TRIALS! Every Day til 2008!!!
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His point is nothing but a personal egotistic one and nothing more thats the real point and basis of his exercise and thats a good point for him to get it slinged out of court period!
There is a point for debate from both sides of the fence on this issue as a whole.You had tape to tape copying in the 80s but it still dident stop him creating his enormous wealth either.
I know if i had his wealth i couldent give a shit about a few old videos i had long milked a living from going back 2 decades on youtube.Comment
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A lawsuit against The Pirate Bay is a good idea in principle, but I doubt he'll achieve much with it. Others have tried, after all, without much success. To shut down TPB, he'd need to convince the Swedish government to take action.
As for the lawsuit against YouTube... that's just dumb. For musicians, YouTube is awesome. People get to hear their music, but they can't burn it to CD, can't play it on mp3 players and can't put it in useful playlists. So it's free viral advertising, without people actually acquiring the music./(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
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There needs to be a certain amount of moderation with this area and i haven't seen anyone else agree here.How many people on this forum have owned video recorders and how many have taped something off the t.v. at some point of other?
It would be a fair assumption to say virtually everyone if not everyone either that or direct copying from vcr to vcr!
So that makes probably everyone here a infringer of some kind of copyrighted material at some time.
I bet prince has done the same in his own spare time too!
Its gets to the point when its just hypocrisy speaking about other hypocrisy only!Comment
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What a narrow minded statement ...
dude ... it's not about the money ... it's about HE owns that shit and if HE wants it off the net, it's HIS right.
You could apply that to the porn tube sites ... the fact that some of these porn companies are already rich so why should they care? Prince is not just a musician, he's a businessman and artist ... he wants to protect his rights.
Jeez, come ON!
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Well i hope he has never copied anyone elses copyrighted material of ANY KIND EVER in his life because i am willing to bet my life that he has!
Hes a small minded selfish egotistic prick and nothing more.Comment
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I don't understand this really... I can see a movie studio or a TV network not wanting their stuff on Youtube. But music videos on youtube just seem like free advertising. I mean, can you even buy a music video if you wanted to? I wouldn't know where to go besides the tube sites if I wanted to see a music video. They certainly don't play them on VH1/MTV anymore.gone. long gone.
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I did a Prince search and nothing came up, unless it's from Universal Music GroupComment
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Anyone educated on the matter of copyright infrigement will know that it can affect business and quite a bit but its also true that unless in your entire life you never copied some kind of copyright material of any kind yourself when you bitch about the next person doing it makes you a hypocrite thats a valid point i think i have made!
Its dog eat dog in this world and most countrys are run democratically so we have our rights to sue and stuff so he has his but i am sick of having to listening to these selfish little pricks and their stupid little whims because some of the their motives are so obvious to any intelligent person despite whatever causes they try to hide behind.
Nobody should bother giving them air time.
But maybe he needs the dough like i have been reading about michael jacksons flagging fortunes recently!Last edited by DollarKing; 09-13-2007, 06:42 PM.Comment
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If he succeeds and gets a large sum rewarded he could always do something constructive with the money and give it to a good cause but i bet he won't.
But then he might need the money of course!
He must have be having sleepless nights worrying about those yonks old vids residing on youtube god i feel so sorry for him poor guy!Comment
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I was going to say the same thing. His rep made the best case I've read yet regarding this whole thing:
"YouTube ... are clearly able (to) filter porn and pedophile material but appear to choose not to filter out the unauthorized music and film content which is core to their business success".
They do filter that stuff very successfully.Comment
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i personally think that a case like this will have to be the type of case that will take the whole "we can't control our networks" bullshit to the right court with the right amount of money behind it. not saying he'll win, but someone like him, just like someone like metallica changed their era with napster needs to happen.Comment
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So let me ask you this. Take a big online adult company. Someone that is very successful and has made some real money. Say a Lightspeed or Silvercash. They have spent a lot of time and money producing their content and they have made a lot of money off selling memberships to sites where you can view this content. Just because they make a lot of money does this mean they shouldn't bother going after torrent sites or tube sites that post full videos of theirs? Should Steve and Mike have to sit by and let people steal their content just because they are successful?
The bottom line is it is his material and he should have the right to say where it is viewed and how it is viewed. I have heard musicians say that they don't care if people download their music or put it on youtube, they just want it to get out there. But there are also those that do care. Those that do care should have the right to say that they don't want it on the site.
You can ask the questions in a lot of different genres:
Should Microsoft not care if people steal copies of MS Office? They have a lot of money and continue to make money off products they no longer work on so should they just be okay with it if 1000's of people help themselves to a copy of it?
Should Disney care if people jump the fence and get into Disneyland for free? After all there are lots of people that buy 3-5 day passes but only use part of it so they got money for nothing. Most of those rides were built years ago and only now get maintenance so they should just give it away free right?
Stephen King has made a ton of money from his books and he continues to cash royalty checks for books he wrote 15 years ago. That means I should then, technically, just be able to grab one of his books off the shelf and walk out with it right? He don't need the money so who cares?
Youtube has made tons of money by posting other people's copyrighted material and they have never paid them a dime for it so if your material is up there against your wishes and they won't take it down you damn well should be able to take them to courtComment
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Good post and also Kane. DollarKing probably runs a Tube site and thinks it's fine to have content he's clueless about it's legality.What a narrow minded statement ...
dude ... it's not about the money ... it's about HE owns that shit and if HE wants it off the net, it's HIS right.
You could apply that to the porn tube sites ... the fact that some of these porn companies are already rich so why should they care? Prince is not just a musician, he's a businessman and artist ... he wants to protect his rights.
Jeez, come ON!
It's Princes property, he has every right to decide where it's published. How rich, good or known he is has nothing to do with it.
The situation is clear, these companies are so big they can't effectively police themselves in their pursuit to make money.
The response seems to be in essence, "We are so busy trying to throw things up on our site or have others throw it up, that we can't be bothered to police our own site.""In the last couple of weeks we have directly removed approximately 2,000 Prince videos from YouTube," said Web Sheriff managing director John Giacobbi.
"The problem is that one can reduce it to zero and then the next day there will be 100 or 500 or whatever. This carries on ad nauseam at Prince's expense," he told Reuters.
He said his company had also removed around 300 items from eBay, where whole lines of pirated goods trading on Prince's name had appeared, including clocks, socks, mugs and key rings.
This is the problem if you allow a service provider to be exempt from the products he distributes, displays or allows others to sell/distribute. The cost of having someone on the site 24/7 approving submissions could be as low as $30 by employing people in India, in Czech it would cost $100 a day. Peanuts to a company like Ebay. But still a cost they will not take on.
Yes I understand that if they check one they have to check them all and are responsible. But that's the idea of running a business, you're responsible for what you do.
The good thing about this is it again brings online theft into the news and into the courts. Every time it gets to the courts it tries another route to bring these people down. The porn industry will "piggy back" on to the back of the film, recording and other industries. It has to change and will change, the problem is laws take a long time to change.Comment
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I think it's funny that someone made a fake nick because they dislike prince. lolComment
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Well for your information i made this nick some weeks back before i read about this prince thing yesterday so you are wrong there.And as i mentioned in earlier posts this thing has two sides to the debate. If he wants to sue youtube and he gets a big payout out of it let him donate the money to a worthy cause instead of hoarding the dough for himself which he clearly dosent need.I know i could spend hours arguing with peeps over this but his cause for doing this is for the facts i already mentioned.I am sick of seeing people massage these spoilt peoples egos all the time although i am not saying everyone in their circles are the same not at all.
The thing about capitalism is how far does it go that rich corporations get their own way all the time that it starts to get seriously damaging to the whole enviroment in which we live?
Capitalism is like a bottomloss pit and greed is never ending.
Besides i have spent so much time around people that are all the same there is 1 law for them another for the next person and a lot of people here will be the same.I refer to my earlier statement regarding copyright infrigment.Comment
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So you never answered my question. Let me ask it in a more simple fashion:
Do you believe that just because someone has money that they no longer deserve to earn money from their work? For example. Should Stephen King not be paid for his older books that still sell? Should software companies not get money for older software that they still have out there? Should a musician that records an album that still sells years later no longer get paid for it? These people have plenty of money, in some cases more then they could ever spend, but does that mean they should no longer get paid for things that they own?Comment
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No i am not its just that you are a simpleton and you cant see the point i am trying to make period.
Which is why i could spend hours going round in circles over this.Comment
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You people are not reading clearly or not getting the points i have made in my earlier posts!
Besides should people really give a shit about his whims with the amount of problems we have in the world?Comment
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It seems to me your original argument is that he shouldn't care about people putting his stuff on their sites without his permission because he has a ton of money and that if he sues and gets paid for this that he should give it to charity. You also basically say that it isn't right that a musician records a record and gets paid a royalty for it for as long as it sells no matter how long it has been out because factory workers don't get the same deal and they don't get paid for work they did months if not years ago.
To me that means that you are saying that if someone writes a book there should be a limited amount of time that they get paid for it. Or if a musician records an album they should only get paid for a certain period of time. In addition you are saying that if someone makes a bunch of money off of something they created they shouldn't complain if someone uses it against their wishes to make money with. Am I correct? If so can you please enlighten my simpleton mind as to why you feel this way?Comment
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Its a debatable issue how much is too much you see if everyone on this planet was restrictive with their greed,egos etc we woulden't have the problems we have in the first place.The enviroment we live in is similar to the animal kingdom only we are smarter hence making us that much more destructive. My comments have no reference to the legalties of the law however having said that aren't there some restrictions on how long you can hold onto copyright of songs 50 or 70 years or something?
Its like vegetarians some people don't eat meat because they thing killing is immoral but the law says it's ok so its ok.But its debatable nevertherless.My points are based on the individuals urges and excesses and are a attack from that viewpoint.Comment
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Well i have my own house and i have family that are well to do so thats good enough for me.I place health good looks and eternal youth at the top of my prioritys so i fall into the vanity section myself!Comment
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Good for Prince and hopefully other artists will follow thru. The record industry is going to shit and there are similarities with adult as well. For the people that say it's free and should be, You wouldn't like producing music and/or adult content without getting paid. Better yet, let's not pay for anything... food, gas, homes, cars. Let it all be free
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Not the point i have been trying to make his motives are obvious and as i said earlier we had tape to tape copying in the 80s it still dident stop him amassing a fortune over the years and living off work done years ago and living off that did it?Good for Prince and hopefully other artists will follow thru. The record industry is going to shit and there are similarities with adult as well. For the people that say it's free and should be, You wouldn't like producing music and/or adult content without getting paid. Better yet, let's not pay for anything... food, gas, homes, cars. Let it all be free
You can go on forever on this subject really but since youtube make a fortune maybe he should make a agreement with youtube and keep his material on there instead!
If the record industry is going to shit maybe its just running out of talent.
On that subject what is peeps fav music?
Current bands i like are rammstein,evanscence,jamiroquair and the singer kylie minogue all doing ok thank you very much!
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I hope Prince sues the fuck out of them.............Comment
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Paul Markham is right though i don't have the wealth to compare to prince and i woulden't say no because having money is like having a strong form of power of sorts but no i certainly do not own any kind of site similar to youtube but i like youtube and it has a historic archive value of sorts and its nice to see the variety of media available on it to a lot of people not anywhere near as materially fortunate as prince and its nice to exchange conversation with people on there and it would be a shame to see another small minded selfish egotistic little shit get the better of it for his own selfish gain so that is why i think people shoud not support him period!
I have used a vcr machine to copy things off tv and i have used a sterio tape machine to copy music when i was a kid off the radio and i bet everyone else here has as well including the the boy wonder prince so it makes you all what i referred to earlier as hypocrites!Comment
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So can I come and take things from your house? This is on the basis of property is theft and I don't like your personality.
What do you teach your children? All theft is theft, is what I teach mine.
And please do not equate tape to tape with the Internet and Tube sites. Chalk and cheese.Comment
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Well i don't have any children for a start and i am not the marrying type either but this person has been rich for years and he is a selfish small minded prick and i say fuck him either way but ask me something when does it get to a point when having too much is enough already or is your mentality exactly like his because it sounds like it is?So can I come and take things from your house? This is on the basis of property is theft and I don't like your personality.
What do you teach your children? All theft is theft, is what I teach mine.
And please do not equate tape to tape with the Internet and Tube sites. Chalk and cheese.
If he gives his award if he gets it to a worthy cause i would shut up about him but otherwise i say fuck another spoilt little shit!
When they get to pulling all the jimi hendrix stuff off youtube i don't think he will mind being dead nearly 40 years!Comment
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Paul Markham if u have any real intellect you will understand that life on this earth when u enter it is circumstancial from the outward and what you can do or make in your decade you may /or cannot in the next and from that realisation you will understand my comments about the wonder boy unless either u are too stupid /a obsessed fanatatic /or have some commercial interests in the wonder boy! Other than that your comments are just hypocritical period. And no because i mention jimi hendrix it does not mean i was born soon enough to see him play live at woodstock!
If i died tomorrow and had so much money i was too mean or too much of a prick to do something constructive with it i would suggest to the wonder boy if he found he was still alive afterwards to return to earth and see it just piss over it! People like u and him are just plain pathetic.Comment
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