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If this wasn't your review then what are you bitching about? Sounds like your in a pissy mood and just ripping on review sites without any good points to back up your claim that review sites suck. There are some great review sites out there and there are also some shitty ones, just like paysites. People have opinions and if they want to share them, they are free to do so.
And, I do know how much it costs to produce content since I used to run a paysite before I decided to review sites.
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How's it goin RV!!Originally posted by RogerVI totally disagree with your price rule for those who understand the monthly cost doesn't matter if its $10 a month or $100 they will still cancel.. one reason why the 10 dollar sites floped. I test the market to see what works the best. we offer a $1 trial then a $40 a month membership and we still convert amazing and retain amazing ..
Its doing so well I might even raise the prices
your traffic is conditioned to test a trial and cancel so they continue to profit for you as we take the hit as with most review site traffic.. I can afford the hit to see what kind of review we get and exposure
No matter what people dont look at porn as an expense its an impulse buy hell they get upset about there water bill and cable bill monthly you think they wont bitch about there porn bill LOL
Punkworld said it well.
Myself, and Ryan speak on behalf of what "our" surfers are looking for. Surfers haven't had the option to be price conscious in the past since they had to be their own guide. They didn't have a resource that gave them the option to shop by price.
Believe me though when I say that times are changing quickly!! The days of the "tour" (meaning all tour, little substance) are dying, and tgp's are having a harder time converting. It's not about surfers becoming smarter either, it's about them now having more information. Impulse buys still exist in a great way, which has always been the backbone beyond the "charge more, make more" theory.
From what I know, our traffic retains just fine for programs. I only can think of one program (SIC Cash) out of over 1,000 who has demoted us from PPS to revshare, and we're fine with that. We never want sites to lose money or even "make less" from our signups. If members referred from review site traffic are satisfied, they will retain as good as any other type of traffic.
The "ten dollar" discount sites by Adult.com and Platinum never took off because they never focused on substance, only price. There are a lot of very successful sites charging $10-$15/mo. We've also done a lot of discount deals (usually $15/mo) with sites who normally charge $30-40/mo, and we create a lot more signups and overall more money in the end. Again though, this is our traffic.
BTW, shoot me an e-mail Roger... rick at thebestporn.com. I need to get some pw's from you if that's cool.MyPorn.com - Porn's most anticipated free site of tomorrow. Coming Q4, 2015.Comment
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it's a review site, based on the reviewers opinion. if you dont like the review, open a review site with "good" reviews.Comment
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BTW I love you review site its set up perfect..Originally posted by rankscom
I have changed alot from the old school cookie cutter sites becasue your right times have changed but I dissagree with the trials if your product is good it will sell and retain.. but they will cancel no matter what the price is from my experience
I might just have special price points for your traffic because they are alot more informed and updated
I'm sure you know why we recurr for $40 even monthly
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I just check your stats with us and I didn't realize you were Ranks.com till now.. BTW your traffic is doing great and sticking over 35% which is great.Originally posted by rankscom
Also I wouldn't do trials if we didn't have a limited trial option check out out upgrade page http://www.securedxxx.com/templates/welcome.php it works amazingComment
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Thanks dude! We're very proud of our service.Originally posted by RogerVBTW I love you review site its set up perfect..
I have changed alot from the old school cookie cutter sites becasue your right times have changed but I dissagree with the trials if your product is good it will sell and retain.. but they will cancel no matter what the price is from my experience
I might just have special price points for your traffic because they are alot more informed and updated
I'm sure you know why we recurr for $40 even monthly
So from your experience, you're saying "trials" will always retain with good sites, but when a surfer signs up to a "monthly" cost, they will never retain. Hopefully I have that right...
From my experience, I'd say that trials convert much worse than they did yrs back (from any traffic), which is why sites are now "somewhat" misleading users into signing up for a limited trial (some with just a few samples), then trying to upsell them to a full membership.
Those are the only trials I know of today that retain well, but at what cost? I don't know if your trials do this or not... but duping users only makes them trust our industry less. If there's anything we need to retain, it's the users "trust". Sorry to get off the subject a little.
Price points are still an interesting debate. Regardless, I'd love to setup some discount prices for Porn Kings! I'd love to show you how your sales (from our site) will increase because of it.
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Originally posted by solonlineWe had 1 of our sites reviewed and it kind of got slammed saying it was to pricey. Strange thing is this site has been our bestseller for 2 years now. They didnt seem to get that, even when I pointed out that apart from the review they convert at around 1 in 150 through our affiliate program. So I couldnt give a shit, they do have good traffic, but they seem to put alot of weight on the price of a site, which in my view is bollocks. If you produce exclusive like we do, then yep you can charge more. We charge on average higher than the usuall 29.95 and biz just continues to grow. Other than that I like The Best Porn, but wont be giving away any sites for review for a while
exactly the same experience, although my sites convert slightly better then yours.Comment
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Youll find that a lot of review sites hardly even look at the site they "review" - a lot of the text is just for content for search engine purposes. So dont be offended.Comment
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Dont have PK anymore its now PornoPushers.comOriginally posted by rankscomThanks dude! We're very proud of our service.
So from your experience, you're saying "trials" will always retain with good sites, but when a surfer signs up to a "monthly" cost, they will never retain. Hopefully I have that right...
From my experience, I'd say that trials convert much worse than they did yrs back (from any traffic), which is why sites are now "somewhat" misleading users into signing up for a limited trial (some with just a few samples), then trying to upsell them to a full membership.
Those are the only trials I know of today that retain well, but at what cost? I don't know if your trials do this or not... but duping users only makes them trust our industry less. If there's anything we need to retain, it's the users "trust". Sorry to get off the subject a little.
Price points are still an interesting debate. Regardless, I'd love to setup some discount prices for Porn Kings! I'd love to show you how your sales (from our site) will increase because of it.
Sites convert alot better with trials because its easier to swallow a $1 pill then a full bang for $10 and up of the bat.
Of course once someone joins the trial offer or the full price the rentention is about the same but I bet I get 75% more in the door right off the bat.
Its a numbers game
And we do have a limited trial but we offer more in our limited then most do with there full members sections. I just went up for review with 3 of our sites today with you so we will soon find outLast edited by RogerV; 10-31-2005, 09:23 AM.Comment
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hello?
it's the interweb...you know, that place where everyone has the right to publish whatever the fuck they want as long as it's legal...Comment
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I love the level of discussion go on here. The industry's constantly changing; discussing and debating our different perspectives is invaluable to us all.
Rick and Ryan have covered most of what I have to say about the original point made in this thread... Except for this:
Of course the reviews are subjective, all reviews are. These reviews are however subject to a certain set of guidelines; therefore they are all judged equally by the same set of 'values'. Entertainment such as movies, theatre or opera... or restaurants or whatever, can be subject to review and it's always subjective. How could it not be...? TheBestPorn.com 'Official Reviews' include the points of view of four seperate reviewers, so it's actually far less subjective an opinion than your average restaurant review.
I consider all of that secondary to the glaringly obvious point here, though.
The point that's being missed by Batt and some others here is that from the POV of a website operator, not being listed or reviewed would generate absolutely no traffic at all. Not only does a review (whether bad or good) generate traffic, but it generates traffic that converts exceptionally well, as those visitors have clicked through to a site with a strong intention to buy.
Online adult business is driven by traffic... We all know that. So, embracing the logic that some traffic is better than no traffic isn't rocket science.
A 'bad' review may hurt your ego... The review may well be subjectively 'wrong', in your opinion. Take it up with the reviewers if you want to. Responding by attacking a source of good website traffic, or choosing to 'not be reviewed' because preserving your ego is better than getting quality traffic really doesn't make any sense at all!
Who do we think we are...? - We're people with great traffic.
Do us clowns know how much it costs to produce content or better still how much it costs to market a big network of sites...? - Well yes, actually, I do.
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Originally posted by chodadog
Actually, I am. Why would I, as a site owner, want to pay an affiliate to shittalk my sites?
Steve LightspeedLast edited by SteveLightspeed; 10-31-2005, 10:53 AM.Abra-cadabra!Comment
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My point is deducting points for "softcore" is just like saying a PG-rated comedy movie didn't have enough 'blood and gore'!Originally posted by Lightspeed
Its a different genre, so why hold all sites to the same hardcore standard?Abra-cadabra!Comment
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Ouch!Originally posted by Lightspeed
No shittalking done here
Jordan Capri's review
I agree with Steve Lightspeed. Softcore shouldn't be a negative. Some people love softcore just as much as hardcore.Comment
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...Because, in order to 'pay' an affiliate they have to be making you money.Originally posted by Lightspeed
I really don't see any 'shittalking' going on here though.Last edited by Aly; 10-31-2005, 11:17 AM.Comment
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Also, we're dinged as "too expensive" -- but you guys seem to love the $35 payouts... can't have one without the other!Originally posted by Aly...Because, in order to 'pay' an affiliate they have to be making you money.
I really don't see any 'shittalking' going on here though.Abra-cadabra!Comment
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There is a difference in shit talking and pointing out facts about a site. If a site says "largest collection of teen pics on the net" and has 7 shitty galleries inside, than of course something should be said. Is it fair to lie and deceive potential customers? I always felt that was a great way to get chargebacks and assure that your site doesn't keep a loyal base.Originally posted by Lightspeed
I think if a reviewer lied about something than it is bad. I also couldn't imagine why a reviewer wouldn't give you the benefit of the doubt. If a sponsor didn't agree with the review, he definitely should contact the site and express concern.
I have both review sites and other sites that promote simply based on certain keywords I rank for. I will tell you this, the review site converts 3-4 times better, regardless of the review ratings. I also think it is important for paysites to be reviewed, as surfers are getting much smarter in deciding between the large selection they have. I'm sure there are certain surfers who won't sign up for a paysite without reading some reviews (kind of like how I won't buy an expensive electronic without reading some reviews). If you aren't listed on the big ones, it could mean a surfer just looks at another site.Comment
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I do agree with this statement. It's just like how I can't compare pictures on a teen model site to a BDSM extreme hardcore site.Originally posted by LightspeedComment
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Sorry but I dont see a lot of shittalk if you ask me. I am sure you are enjoying the traffic they send right?Originally posted by Lightspeed
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It's the personal stuff like "Only an idiot would join this site" -- that pisses me off the most. What the fuck is that?Abra-cadabra!Comment
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where is that?Originally posted by Lightspeed
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Did you think about the fact that a surfer might have joined the site because he is a fan of her? So he might NOT be interested in anything else that is offered in the network?Originally posted by Batts
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"Only an idiot would join this site"
Originally posted by QuaShe
Yeah, Who said that?Comment
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i think its the total opposite. if you search on google you will find a lot of the review sites have great serps. even better than the actual paysite on some site searches. thats one of the reasons they convert so damn good.Originally posted by punkworldI host with VacaresComment
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Hey Steve, you should hit me up. In fact, any webmaster who thinks we gave an unfair review should always write us. Not only will we explain our points for you, but we'd be glad to change something if it could be re-worded more appropriately (like in this case), etc. We're here to work both for the surfers and webmasters as best we can.Originally posted by Lightspeed
Regarding the affiliate payout, we take what we can get definitely. However, we never ask for anything. You price your sites and determine your payouts, and the payouts have nothing to do with how we rate the sites.
I'd love to hear from you Steve, I've always respected your work in a high regard! Contact me, rick at thebestporn.com.MyPorn.com - Porn's most anticipated free site of tomorrow. Coming Q4, 2015.Comment
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I agree. We're not here to cost people money; quite to the contrary. If you don't find a $35 payout cost-effective for your business please feel free to switch us to a recurring % instead.Originally posted by Lightspeed
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yeah seems ok
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If the surfer is not interested in anything else on the lightspeed sites, then there is something wrong with his eyesite, there is over 30 girls on their network of sites, and i might ad some of the most sexiest girls that i have seen on the net, so why would he pass on all the other girls that the site has to offer.Originally posted by QuaSheComment
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dude you have a little something on your nose....it looks like it might be a chunk of shit.Originally posted by Batts★★★
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Why would i have a chunk of shit on my nose, are you saying that i am licking ass, you complete fuckstick, is that all you can contribute to a post, are you trying to tell me that, Jordan, Tawnee and all the girls are ugly, how about youOriginally posted by Young
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Batts, you got it wrong though on the pricing of lightspeed.Originally posted by Batts
It's $40/mo for 10 sites at a time. $30/mo is only for one site. There is no way to access all sites at once (that I know of).MyPorn.com - Porn's most anticipated free site of tomorrow. Coming Q4, 2015.Comment
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Ever heard of being a FAN of someone in particular? Meaning NOT being interested in anything else they offer?Originally posted by Batts
I don't say their other sites suck or something so please stop the brown nosing as you don't seem to have a clue at this point.
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Please submit your sites here:Originally posted by The GhostThe only bad press is no press.
If anyone has a review site and wants to review us, just hit me on ICQ
http://www.adultreviews.net/contact_webmaster.html
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Why would you complain? I bet the review is bringing in sales. And like others have mentioned, for the people who are into softcore, that person's comment, even though it may be something negative in his mind about the site, could very well be a positive thing for the person reading the review that is into softcore.Originally posted by Lightspeed
Review sites have to be honest, or else what's the point? And besides, overall, they rated Tawnee's site as "Great" with 8/10. That's hardly a negative review! And check out the comment's from the follow-up review.
At the end of the day, if the review is making you money, then isn't that what really matters?My 2 biggest complaints about Tawnee's site the first time around were:
#1. Too expensive
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#2. Too much softcore
Well, it looks like at least one of these problems has been remedied, as Tawnee's site has dropped to only $19.95 per month.
And that's not the only thing that's different here; Tawnee's site has been kicking ass at updating regularly, with new content being added every other day. This is an awesome idea mainly because it's unmatched by most all amateurs in the industry.
With Tawnee?s consistent quality, the huge jump in content numbers, and the reduction of the sites overall price tag; I can now safely recommend this site to fans of sweet and innocent amateurs who don't require a more hardcore type of content.
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As a first-time adult site creator (but a long-time non-adult web designer since 1997), I was a bit worried about submitting my first paysite to review sites for fear of a negative review...
but luckily most of the reviews have placed us pretty high for our fetish.
I do wonder about the sites that get reviews in the 40s and 50s (on a 100-point scale).
They must be pissed... but I bet they get sales from a bad review, too.
I think visitors to review sites still make their own judgments based on what they actually see on the site, and use the review site as more of a convenient list of reputable porn sites.
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LOL, these review sites really touch you that much? Really, who cares about reviews. Many people don't even read that shit. thebestporn has too lenghty reviews IMO. Review has to be of a proper size, not a science project. But again, who cares. Every review site has "good" traffic, meaning good conversions, they state the price, they tell you it's gonna cost, you know exactly what to expect, freeloaders fell off right there. This is how industry would look like if there was no free content. It's just that. Even if they get a shitload of traffic, it won't all convert at an amazing ratio as many surfers come there preprogrammed that porn is and should be free and if they can't find it, oh well, next site in line...Originally posted by solonlineWe had 1 of our sites reviewed and it kind of got slammed saying it was to pricey. Strange thing is this site has been our bestseller for 2 years now. They didnt seem to get that, even when I pointed out that apart from the review they convert at around 1 in 150 through our affiliate program. So I couldnt give a shit, they do have good traffic, but they seem to put alot of weight on the price of a site, which in my view is bollocks. If you produce exclusive like we do, then yep you can charge more. We charge on average higher than the usuall 29.95 and biz just continues to grow. Other than that I like The Best Porn, but wont be giving away any sites for review for a while
Many people don't have the time to read all that review stuff. They want porn and will click click click to get to the video and not read. I know why we write reviews on our review site and it's not just to share our opinions with the readers. There are other reasons and they are also the reason for better conversions, not the review text alone.
So about reviews of your paysite, care less. Honestly, nothing much changes and you will get more traffic. Least from our perspective. Unless you have a really shitty member's area you will get a solid score as far as our review site.
There's one good reason why I don't want our reviews to sound harsh and negative (if there's really no need for that) and that would be: money
We don't give bad scores based on how much softcore or hradcore a site has, we don't say it's expensive unless it costs $50/mo and has no more than any other inside, we don't give bad score to new sites with less content (we give them a chance). We only crticize sites that are obvious rip off or very close to that, that state false shit on the tours, that hide the content inside, have it all broken, etc. Those won't be bringing us rebills anyway so why not knock them down, least we get to point out a few bad ones too.
That's what I feel about reviews and that's how we do them. Trying to make everyone happy in the process
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Who the fuck are you, to talk to people like that... damn!Originally posted by grumpyThe biggest pimp in Deeenmark.Comment
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The industry wants to make money not review honestly.
I tend to agree that reviews are subjective, just like food/wine critic reviews. I produce my content and it is all exclusive and I know all the guys in the shemale industry that produces content and can assure that my shemale site is top 5 with no doubt. It is indicated in my terrific retention.
However some reviewers are not worry if your content is good or not. They review a site based on cash programms that will pay them USD30-35 per sale. They give a shit for the content. This is the industry. Bingo!
What really fucks us who produce exclusive content (not cheap indeed) is to see sites that sells leased/overused content better rated than yours. It is really a pain in the ass. And many of the content of those sites were produced by myself years ago.
In fact I never seen any independent reviewer in the bizz. Even thebestporn makes terrible mistakes mainly in their express reviews.Comment
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hehe Rick Makes me HarddddddddddddddddComment
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Whoa, bumper stopper!
Hey Christian, interesting statement... Those who know us well can back our independence. What's more interesting to me is this statement on your shemale reviews site:Originally posted by christianrod30
"Welcome to the truly Independent Shemale Site Review"
Couldn't help but notice.
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I love review sites and they seem to love us (for the most part).
I do have two things to say about review sites.
1. Amazingly their sites have created a new type of paysite surfing. Before review sites paying surfers were on their own to find the sites worthy of their money. Along come review sites who give them all the info they need before joining a site. Great for review sites not so good for paysites. I've noticed alot of review sites choose PPS and alot of their members don't stay on past 1 month and the fact they choose PPS tells me they know their surfers are 1 month joins.
2. Many review sites are making a HUGE mistake in their reviews. They are reviewing the site as an adult webmaster and not as a surfer would. They are basically dictating what the surfer does or does not want and in alot of reviews I know for a fact they are wrong. For example we've had reviews that have said this site sucks because it is mainly picture based, nobody wants to look at pictures nowadays. I don't know how a review site could write something that closed minded but it has happened and more than once. Another thing they assume is that the surfer knows more than they do. Just because the webmaster knows a picture came from Matrix Content doesn't mean the surfer knows and more importantly doesn't mean they care. If a surfer joins a site and likes a particular model the truth is they don't give a shit where the content came from they just want MORE pics of that model.Comment
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A very professional and intelligent comment/statmentOriginally posted by shap
Oh and i didnt get paid to say that haha
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I have no doubt your review site is the best in bizz. Your traffic is terrific. But for shemales, I think you should have a reviewer that really knows the subject. It is not a complain it is a fact.Originally posted by rankscomWhoa, bumper stopper!
Hey Christian, interesting statement... Those who know us well can back our independence. What's more interesting to me is this statement on your shemale reviews site:
"Welcome to the truly Independent Shemale Site Review"
Couldn't help but notice.
As a shemale expert (almost 10 years in the bizz - first as producer then as site owner) I tried to give my personal feeling in my review site. If you read carefully all reviews you will notice they are close to the reality of user's feeling and shemale fans.
Some pay sites really sucks and are well rated in site reviews since they belong to cash programs and u know that. This is the bizz. I am not complaining. Just showing the reality.
It is difficult to somebody who does not like the content or is not a shemale fan to write about he/she does not know very much.
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Some review sites are definately biased, we have had several of our sites reviewed in the past month and, the exact same site has ranged from a 5 star rating on some review sites to a 1 star on others LOL
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Tattooed Guys seems to constantly get rave reviews though which im happy about
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This is so true but, not only from the review site pov, most affiliates look at a paysite and think about what THEY like about the site, not what the surfer wants to see, they want 'pretty' sites and exclusive content, what affiliate doesnt but, they more often than not forget that surfers dont care if a site looks 'nice' surfers just want to get off, in a site packed with pics and videos.Originally posted by shap
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Perfect analysis. One day the porn bizz will do fair reviews such Mr. Robert Parker does with wines. http://www.erobertparker.com/ or http://www.winespectator.com/Wine/Home/. The bestporn is almost closest but need to put some gay and shemale experts to review their site.Originally posted by shapComment
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We love twistys!!Originally posted by shap
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Right on the mark too Shap! For the most part we hear retention is lower than avg. I'm surprised we don't get moved from PPC to revshare more often. It makes sense since review sites attract more savvy buyers.
But that doesn't mean review sites can't retain well. Example, Videobox's avg retention is 4 months from our site. But it's rare to find those type of rebills.
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