which one would have more hard cash if they were not public
we are talking about online web based only companies
we are talking about online web based only companies
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mainstream without a doubt -
Id say adult, mainly because I have the top 300 list from internet retailer and cracking 2mil puts you in that list.Comment
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Mainstream. Hands down mainstream. Not even a close comparison. Adult is just a drop in the bucket compared to everything else available out there.
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You must be kidding, cracking 2mil in adult revenue is easy.Originally posted by WiredGuyComment
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what if they were not using the publics money in stock etc. just straight hard cash. how much does google make and overture off adultOriginally posted by WiredGuy
what are the highest paying search words?Comment
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Yes, I know. But there's a lot more to be made in mainstream compared to adult.Originally posted by PureMeds
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Interesting so if mainstream companies never went public you think they would still be thriving today? with the exception of a handful like Ebay and google.Originally posted by WiredGuy
what is the most expensive ad word per click on google?Comment
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Originally posted by RogerV
They don't have that kind of breakdown for percentage from adult, but I bet its not that huge in retrospect to their total income. A typical adult keyword ranges from 5-20 cents. Extremely targetted stuff maybe over 30c but the typical keyword I would say is between 12-18c.
Compare that to pharmaceuticals, loans, mortgages, gambling, where the typical bid is a couple dollars, and it makes adult seem like nothing.
Here's an example: http://7search.com/scripts/searchter...ying.asp?n=100
Top 100 paying keywords, not a single adult keyword in there.
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yeah i sorta read wrong. the internet consists more of mainstream but not in terms of single companies with that type of revenue. I am certain that there are adult companies who'd easily be in the top 20 list overall.Originally posted by WiredGuyComment
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Defininitely mainstream, because it spans such a wide variety of niches and target audiences.
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Being able to finance a company via IPO definitely does help, but I still think those companies would be around and be successful. The extent of their success would be significantly less and there probably would be less M&A's but their success should still be there.Originally posted by RogerV
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but arnt those companies using public money to pay for those keywords? what if they were not public do you think it would be the same?Originally posted by WiredGuyComment
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Just to add, there are a couple public adult companies as well, PRVT is one. Just because we're a little taboo doesn't shy away investors
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Originally posted by WiredGuyJust to add, there are a couple public adult companies as well, PRVT is one. Just because we're a little taboo doesn't shy away investors
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Any on the NYSE? I personally feel if they did nt have the millions to pump into advertising etc. they would fail not all but 90%Comment
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It would be less as the media budgets would be less respectively as well, but i think they'd still outweigh adult. Like for casinos, the only public one (I'm not sure if they went public yet) is PartyPoker. But yet, the major spenders on casino keywords are tons of other companies, none of which seem to be publicly traded.Originally posted by RogerV
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I think most high tech companies go into the Nasdaq.Originally posted by RogerV
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True but public companies have the revenue to do large 1 off campaigns like TV and print for branding.Originally posted by WiredGuy
what if the only source of advertising was online and neither could go public you still think maintream would have more hardcash then adult?Comment
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your probably right I was just curious what people thought. I have no clue.Originally posted by WiredGuy
I just think adult would have more hardcash in profits if they both were not public companies
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Originally posted by RogerV
If you take only online as the only medium, then things change a lot. No television, no radio, no word of mouth, no newspapers, no magazines, and yeah, then it becomes possible for some adult companies to be in the top out there. But I still think gambling could outweigh that of adult.
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recurring.... that's why and im sure you knowOriginally posted by RogerVyour probably right I was just curious what people thought. I have no clue.
I just think adult would have more hardcash in profits if they both were not public companies Anything subscription based and retains brings cold hard cash.
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Yeah, if you limit it to online medium and no public companies, I think adult would be up there.Originally posted by RogerVI just think adult would have more hardcash in profits if they both were not public companies
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Roger,
The answer is simple. It's mainstream. People just buy more "stuff" in mainstream then they spend on porn.
It's not about who's public or not. It's about WHAT PEOPLE BUY!
More money PER YEAR PER USER is spent on everyday items than porn.
Meaning the average user that is willing to pull out his credit card online MAY IN FACT BE BUYING PORN ... but over the course of the year is spanding WAY MORE MONEY on other "stuff" online
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And pigs could possibly fly if they had wings or a pilots license BUT we live in the real world, my old friendOriginally posted by RogerVI just think adult would have more hardcash in profits if they both were not public companies
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Originally posted by WiredGuy
true gaming is up there but only a handful really dominate that sector.
yes only online because if companies were not public they couldnt afford the other mediums since they dont bring instant revenue.Comment
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I understand that but if we had large influx of cash like mainstream companies things would be differant. It's a hypathetical question.Originally posted by J$tyle$And pigs could possibly fly if they had wings or a pilots license BUT we live in the real world, my old friend
if the playing field was level. personally I think sex would winComment
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Yeah, we can make statistics say whatever we want if we change the paramatersOriginally posted by WiredGuy
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Bottom line ... adult ain't going anywhere - THIS WE KNOW ... but another simple fact is that if you add up ALL the online Credit Card transactions that happened in the past year - Adult Site memberships would be but a tiny percentage.
That says it all right there
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Well, there's still a lot of companies that blow millions online like automotive companies, dell, vonage, etc. But then again, these are mostly public companies so they'd be off from your listOriginally posted by RogerV
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Originally posted by J$tyle$but another simple fact is that if you add up ALL the online Credit Card transactions that happened in the past year - Adult Site memberships would be but a tiny percentage.
That says it all right there
Bingo
We're barely a blip in the grand scheme of things for CC companies
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We all know that but if you leveled the playing field it would be differant.Originally posted by J$tyle$Yeah, we can make statistics say whatever we want if we change the paramaters
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Bottom line ... adult ain't going anywhere - THIS WE KNOW ... but another simple fact is that if you add up ALL the online Credit Card transactions that happened in the past year - Adult Site memberships would be but a tiny percentage.
That says it all right there
I know how mainsteam converts and does been there done that.
I just think if neither side could go public everything would changeComment
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I know, brotha - I'm busting balls but my posts were also truthful IMO/Originally posted by RogerV
and I disagree wholeheartedly, Roger - All I'm saying is - in the overall scheme of everyday life AS IMPORTANT AS SEX IS ... people IN GENERAL - AS A RULE will always spend more money on other "stuff"!
You have a $40 product. AS AN INDUSTRY - how can you make more than the travel industry, finance, mortgages, jewlery, gambling, FOOD, etc?
People spend more on other "stuff" - there ... i said it again
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Originally posted by WiredGuyBingo
We're barely a blip in the grand scheme of things for CC companies
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overall maybe but what about just online transactions and profits at the end of the day. if neither had public money who would have more hardcash at the end of the day.Comment
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If you added up all transactions that Visa/MC/Paypal/Epassporte/etc. etc. did every day for a year, took out the companies that were public, I bet mainstream would still come up on top. Just adding up what ebay was making before IPO, google pre-IPO, and every casino out there that isn't public and I bet that alone would outweigh most adult companies.Originally posted by RogerV
Its just not a fair comparison, a typical person would spend about $30-$80 per month on porn, whereas financial services, booking online trips, buying advertising, playing casinos, etc. etc. outweigh what a porn consumer would spend. Even if those companies weren't public, these are essential services that are needed and would be spent...
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Originally posted by WiredGuy
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Mainstream.Comment
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Originally posted by J$tyle$
I'm sure they have more money right now they have an endless source of cash.
I live my life online the only things I purchase online is my airline tickets and maybe a few ebay things here and there. even with most airlines going bankrupt I'm sure they have alot of hardcash lying around.
but maybe everyone spends alot more than i do on all that other stuff you mentioned
how much do you think the average person spends online a year in mainstream?Comment
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how much money does adult online make a year? are there any statistics out there? would you say a billion? and this is without any public money
I could be way off just throwing numbers out thereLast edited by RogerV; 12-26-2005, 10:34 PM.Comment
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Not sure about stats, but if you added up the sales from ccbill / paycom / ibill / verotel and the other processors, I think its safe to assume those combined revenues exceed 1 billion.Originally posted by RogerV
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with that said how much do you think it would be if we all went public??Originally posted by WiredGuy
since most of us can show a profit in less than a year versus mainstream like 5 years.Comment
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Originally posted by RogerV
Well, if certain sponsors were to IPO, they'd probably go a little more crazy on buying spree's, especially since they'd have the hard cash in the bank to afford being in the red for a couple quarters to just acquire marketshare. But ultimately, they'll need to stabilize. So the first year or two post-IPO will be a little nuts, but eventually, shareholder pressure would stabilize it in my opinion.
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Really? So do I ... but ... I book flights, hotel rooms, buy gifts, and spend a lot of money through out the year on random "stuff" too.Originally posted by RogerV
Hell, my wife shops at www.Vons.com EVERY WEEK and spends between $250 - 300 each time ... 14 -15K alone buying groceries
I'd say we probably spent 35 - 40K online last year!
We're not "the average Internet user" though.
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Originally posted by WiredGuy
I feel ya it was just wanna those what if questions.
But maybe times will change shit playboy bought hardcore I wonder how there stock will do now.Comment
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holy shit thats alot but I bet its easier with the kids and allOriginally posted by J$tyle$Really? So do I ... but ... I book flights, hotel rooms, buy gifts, and spend a lot of money through out the year on random "stuff" too.
Hell, my wife shops at www.Vons.com EVERY WEEK and spends between $250 - 300 each time ... 14 -15K alone buying groceries
I'd say we probably spent 35 - 40K online last year!
We're not "the average Internet user" though.
I still think maintream would get there ass kicked if the playing field was equal and rebills add up
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Mainstream of course but I love Roger he's always bringing these great discussions to the board.Comment
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It's sad to see that people can't think outside the "porn box". There is ZERO doubt when you add it all up... the clear answer is MAINSTREAM.
There's this little thing that the one's in the know call "market reach".
While people in the industry often think that EVERYONE is a porn consumer, that just isn't the case.Comment
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I'd be willing to bet the stock market alone online trades more money daily then the entire adult online industryThis dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
Now read without the word dog.Comment
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Definitely easy with the kids - Ugg boots, toys, etc ... it adds up fast!Originally posted by RogerVholy shit thats alot but I bet its easier with the kids and all
I still think maintream would get there ass kicked if the playing field was equal and rebills add up
BTW - there's recurring in mainstream, Roger - MAINSTREAM INVENTED RECURRING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I do get what you are saying though!
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Originally posted by J$tyle$BTW - there's recurring in mainstream, Roger - MAINSTREAM INVENTED RECURRING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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... and the reality isOriginally posted by broke
PORN CONSUMER = MAINSTREAM CONSUMER 100% OF THE TIME!
But the reverse IS NOT true in MANY MANY MANY CASES!
All porn consumers buy tooth brushes, toilet paper, food etc but not everyone that purchases a tooth brush toilet paper, food etc pays to see double anal, bukkake and ass to mouth videos
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Originally posted by brokeComment
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