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  • Libertine
    sex dwarf
    • May 2002
    • 17860
    #1

    Reminder: Vista still sucks

    I just got a new computer for my stepfather, and it has Vista on it. Worst OS ever. Slow as fuck on a brand new pc with decent hardware (2gb mem, 2ghz dual core processor, etc), and it took a whole 10 minutes for the first crash to happen.

    I can't believe MS is actually incapable of creating an OS which can handle the rather simple needs of a mentally handicapped man (writing two lines a day in MS word, checking his Yahoo mail, playing solitaire and playing a single flash-based online game) without causing major headaches.

    /(bb|[^b]{2})/
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    • Libertine
      sex dwarf
      • May 2002
      • 17860
      #2
      I'm starting to hate it more by the minute... seems like it's actually a big fucking downgrade from XP :\
      /(bb|[^b]{2})/

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        • Juicy D. Links
          So Fucking Banned
          • Apr 2001
          • 122992
          #3
          got a PC for my brother for his BDAY and i had to upgrade to 4 gigs of ram to help the fucking thing out , i dont like the OS one bbit

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            • zeruel
              Confirmed User
              • Apr 2007
              • 1387
              #4
              yeah right... it sucks...

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                • peterk
                  Confirmed User
                  • Aug 2007
                  • 3529
                  #5
                  Originally posted by Libertine
                  I just got a new computer for my stepfather, and it has Vista on it. Worst OS ever. Slow as fuck on a brand new pc with decent hardware (2gb mem, 2ghz dual core processor, etc), and it took a whole 10 minutes for the first crash to happen.

                  I can't believe MS is actually incapable of creating an OS which can handle the rather simple needs of a mentally handicapped man (writing two lines a day in MS word, checking his Yahoo mail, playing solitaire and playing a single flash-based online game) without causing major headaches.

                  I can feel you dude. Personally I will stay with Win. XP for at least 1 year from now. Vista is full of bugs now. Not Recommended

                  Peter
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                    • tornell
                      Confirmed User
                      • Nov 2002
                      • 4231
                      #6
                      same here, Vista sucks
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                        • Libertine
                          sex dwarf
                          • May 2002
                          • 17860
                          #7
                          Originally posted by peterk
                          I can feel you dude. Personally I will stay with Win. XP for at least 1 year from now. Vista is full of bugs now. Not Recommended

                          Peter
                          Didn't have a choice. His old pc died yesterday, and if stuff doesn't work, he panics. So, he needed a new one right away - and there was nothing with XP readily available.
                          /(bb|[^b]{2})/

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                            • Klen
                              • Aug 2006
                              • 32235
                              #8
                              You can still install ubuntu

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                                • Libertine
                                  sex dwarf
                                  • May 2002
                                  • 17860
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by KlenTelaris
                                  You can still install ubuntu
                                  No, I can't. The computer is for a mentally handicapped man, who can go in a panic when the spell check in MS Word goes on and there are suddenly red lines in his documents. Anything more than that, and it gets REALLY bad.

                                  Basically, I have to make everything look exactly the same as it did before.
                                  Last edited by Libertine; 08-29-2007, 06:07 AM.
                                  /(bb|[^b]{2})/

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                                      • Jan 2004
                                      • 16502
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by KlenTelaris
                                      You can still install ubuntu


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                                        • CheneyRumsfeld
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Sep 2004
                                          • 1341
                                          #11
                                          wipe the drive, install XP.
                                          all is well.

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                                            • Scott McD
                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                              • Nov 2002
                                              • 67798
                                              #12
                                              I'm buying a new comp soon, and i'll defo be getting it with XP again. Fuck all that shit !


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                                                • Libertine
                                                  sex dwarf
                                                  • May 2002
                                                  • 17860
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by Scott McD
                                                  I'm buying a new comp soon, and i'll defo be getting it with XP again. Fuck all that shit !
                                                  Get a mac
                                                  /(bb|[^b]{2})/

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                                                    • Violetta
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                                                      • Jul 2004
                                                      • 28735
                                                      #14
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                                                        • Manowar
                                                          jellyfish  
                                                          • Dec 2003
                                                          • 71528
                                                          #15
                                                          if you get a flash memory stick and use the option to use it for more ram it speeds up a lot

                                                          but still not worth installing over XP yet

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                                                            • Libertine
                                                              sex dwarf
                                                              • May 2002
                                                              • 17860
                                                              #16
                                                              FUCK!

                                                              I will never, ever, EVER buy another Microsoft product again. In fact, right now, I'm praying that the bowels of hell open up beneath Redmond and swallow up the MS offices.
                                                              /(bb|[^b]{2})/

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                                                                • Angie77
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Aug 2007
                                                                  • 1356
                                                                  #17
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                                                                    • Libertine
                                                                      sex dwarf
                                                                      • May 2002
                                                                      • 17860
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by Angie77
                                                                      And I've heard so many good things about it.
                                                                      The only good thing I have to say about it is that I won't ever have to use it myself.

                                                                      First run: after a few moments, it decides to hang and not respond to anything anymore.
                                                                      Second run: see first run.
                                                                      Third run: installing and activating Works 2006. First attempt causes icons to be made and programs to be installed, none of which actually respond to anything.
                                                                      Fourth run: see first run.
                                                                      Fifth run: Works works! Now, it wants to be activated. Since the last install of that package (separately bought, not OEM) was on the previous, now dead pc, it refuses to be activated over the internet.
                                                                      ...
                                                                      etc.

                                                                      I will never buy another MS product again.
                                                                      /(bb|[^b]{2})/

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                                                                        • tomeatsdinner
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Jul 2007
                                                                          • 262
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Just use XP.. Microsoft need to phase out that vista OS. It really sucks.

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                                                                            • Lykos
                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                              • Apr 2003
                                                                              • 31032
                                                                              #20
                                                                              I agree,wont use it yet for sure.

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                                                                                • jonesonyou
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Sep 2003
                                                                                  • 3853
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  I like xp on this laptop.

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                                                                                    • tony299
                                                                                      lurker
                                                                                      • Aug 2002
                                                                                      • 57021
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Instead of having 500 different versions linux , they should all band together then they could give microsoft a real run for their money the time is right.

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                                                                                        • Godsmack
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Apr 2004
                                                                                          • 4525
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          My p4 3.2 takes minutes to boot.. than when you finally see icons and you think i can start working the machine keeps doing shit in the background for like ages!
                                                                                          Vista has put my PC in the middle ages.. I'm done with Microsoft and ordered an Imac today replacing it..
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                                                                                            • GAMEFINEST
                                                                                              Make STACK$
                                                                                              • Nov 2006
                                                                                              • 14478
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Yes it sucks
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                                                                                                • D
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Jan 2006
                                                                                                  • 7412
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  I keep putting off buying a new laptop for this exact reason.

                                                                                                  Figure my old klunker will do the job until Vista works better.


                                                                                                  If it wasn't for the fact that every once in awhile I like to play a game or two, I'd consider making my new one a Mac.
                                                                                                  -D.
                                                                                                  ICQ: 202-96-31

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                                                                                                    • Libertine
                                                                                                      sex dwarf
                                                                                                      • May 2002
                                                                                                      • 17860
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by D
                                                                                                      I keep putting off buying a new laptop for this exact reason.

                                                                                                      Figure my old klunker will do the job until Vista works better.


                                                                                                      If it wasn't for the fact that every once in awhile I like to play a game or two, I'd consider making my new one a Mac.
                                                                                                      Get a mac, and use bootcamp when you want to play games under windows.

                                                                                                      Vista seriously isn't worth it, and my experience with mac laptops is absolutely great (I still have one that survived three non-mac laptops).
                                                                                                      /(bb|[^b]{2})/

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                                                                                                        • Serge Litehead
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                                                                          • 5190
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          I don't know what you people smoke there, I haven't had any problems with vista, runs very smoothly more stable than XP, less ram consuming than XP and definitely faster ... the only thing I hated is user control feature which I promptly found out how to disable - now I don't get those annoying confirms every time I try to do something.. I also first time I got it I reformat everything as I'm not found of all extra pre-installed stuff that manufacturers push on them.
                                                                                                          works like a charm.

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                                                                                                            • D
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • Jan 2006
                                                                                                              • 7412
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by Libertine
                                                                                                              Get a mac, and use bootcamp when you want to play games under windows.

                                                                                                              Vista seriously isn't worth it, and my experience with mac laptops is absolutely great (I still have one that survived three non-mac laptops).
                                                                                                              I'm worried about graphical performance, though.

                                                                                                              Everything I've read has said that most PC games on macs are a lot slower - some to the point that it's not even worth bothering.... especially anything new.

                                                                                                              Of course, the old-school stuff could keep me occupied for the brief periods I find time to game... but, a gamer at heart, I'd like the option to have access to anything new as well.

                                                                                                              If they had a Macbook that could run Civ 4 without graphical lag for under $1,500 - I'd probably buy my first Apple product since my old ][e.
                                                                                                              -D.
                                                                                                              ICQ: 202-96-31

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                                                                                                                • Libertine
                                                                                                                  sex dwarf
                                                                                                                  • May 2002
                                                                                                                  • 17860
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by D
                                                                                                                  I'm worried about graphical performance, though.

                                                                                                                  Everything I've read has said that most PC games on macs are a lot slower - some to the point that it's not even worth bothering.... especially anything new.

                                                                                                                  Of course, the old-school stuff could keep me occupied for the brief periods I find time to game... but, a gamer at heart, I'd like the option to have access to anything new as well.

                                                                                                                  If they had a Macbook that could run Civ 4 without graphical lag for under $1,500 - I'd probably buy my first Apple product since my old ][e.
                                                                                                                  With boot camp, you're just running windows on the same hardware, so performance should not be a big problem. It's when you run windows virtually that performance suffers.

                                                                                                                  On the other hand, with future games, it will become a problem... but that's the same with all hardware. Half a year after you buy it, it's dated
                                                                                                                  /(bb|[^b]{2})/

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                                                                                                                    • jeffrey
                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                      • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                      • 1864
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      LOL

                                                                                                                      I still beleive user error and user ignorance are the #1 reason people think vista sucks.


                                                                                                                      I've had it since almost opening day without a single crash or problem. I gess YMMV though.
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                                                                                                                        • Rochard
                                                                                                                          Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                                                                                                          • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                          • 75733
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          I have Vista on my laptop. Works fine for me.
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                                                                                                                              • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                              • 16502
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by D
                                                                                                                              I'm worried about graphical performance, though.

                                                                                                                              Everything I've read has said that most PC games on macs are a lot slower - some to the point that it's not even worth bothering.... especially anything new.

                                                                                                                              Of course, the old-school stuff could keep me occupied for the brief periods I find time to game... but, a gamer at heart, I'd like the option to have access to anything new as well.

                                                                                                                              If they had a Macbook that could run Civ 4 without graphical lag for under $1,500 - I'd probably buy my first Apple product since my old ][e.
                                                                                                                              get an xbox

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                                                                                                                                • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                  Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                  • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                  • 23200
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  I had a couple problems with the default settings, read this page and made some changes, now, no problems http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2115446,00.asp
                                                                                                                                  Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                  think about that

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                                                                                                                                    • DaddyHalbucks
                                                                                                                                      A freakin' legend!
                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                                      • 18975
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      And to top it all off, it is expensive as hell !!

                                                                                                                                      Fuck Microsoft and fuck Bill Gates!!!

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                                                                                                                                        • BOSS1
                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                          • Sep 2005
                                                                                                                                          • 4331
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          i guess I wont use it for now

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                                                                                                                                            • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                              Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                              • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                              • 23200
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              I've been using it for 3 months, on a dell laptop, 2 gigs of ram, I really haven't had a problems with it. If I shut off the widgets, it would run faster, but for now, it runs damn fast and with the new processors, the battery life is really good. I really think if you spent a little time configuring it, you'd be just as happy with it
                                                                                                                                              Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                              think about that

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                                                                                                                                                • Sosa
                                                                                                                                                  In Tushy Land
                                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                  • 40149
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Let me guess you got him a HP or something like that that comes with a ton of preloaded stuff that also starts at startup? Try turning some of the extra stuff off on loading and see how it runs

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                                                                                                                                                    • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                      Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                                      • 23200
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Sosa
                                                                                                                                                      Let me guess you got him a HP or something like that that comes with a ton of preloaded stuff that also starts at startup? Try turning some of the extra stuff off on loading and see how it runs
                                                                                                                                                      I've heard a lot of complaints from HP users
                                                                                                                                                      Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                                      think about that

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                                                                                                                                                        • Libertine
                                                                                                                                                          sex dwarf
                                                                                                                                                          • May 2002
                                                                                                                                                          • 17860
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by jeffrey
                                                                                                                                                          LOL

                                                                                                                                                          I still beleive user error and user ignorance are the #1 reason people think vista sucks.


                                                                                                                                                          I've had it since almost opening day without a single crash or problem. I gess YMMV though.
                                                                                                                                                          I've used computers professionally for close to a decade, and have used tons of operating systems. I've also cleaned up and fixed dozens if not hundreds of windows installations.

                                                                                                                                                          This is, by far, the worst OS I've used so far.

                                                                                                                                                          A simple example: Windows Live Messenger wouldn't work. I had to get all available Vista updates before it worked.

                                                                                                                                                          Think about that for a moment - their own bloody software doesn't work on their own OS without tweaking. That's a fuckup of EPIC proportions. It means they didn't fully test compatibility with their own software.
                                                                                                                                                          /(bb|[^b]{2})/

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                                                                                                                                                            • Godsmack
                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                              • Apr 2004
                                                                                                                                                              • 4525
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by holograph
                                                                                                                                                              I don't know what you people smoke there, I haven't had any problems with vista, runs very smoothly more stable than XP, less ram consuming than XP and definitely faster ... the only thing I hated is user control feature which I promptly found out how to disable - now I don't get those annoying confirms every time I try to do something.. I also first time I got it I reformat everything as I'm not found of all extra pre-installed stuff that manufacturers push on them.
                                                                                                                                                              works like a charm.
                                                                                                                                                              Are you sure you XP for setup right? lolol..

                                                                                                                                                              well, i don't get it.. not the case there, it runs on 2 of my machines.. both suck ass
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                                                                                                                                                                • bobosoft
                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                                  • 152
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Libertine
                                                                                                                                                                  With boot camp, you're just running windows on the same hardware, so performance should not be a big problem. It's when you run windows virtually that performance suffers.

                                                                                                                                                                  On the other hand, with future games, it will become a problem... but that's the same with all hardware. Half a year after you buy it, it's dated
                                                                                                                                                                  It is not a software issue. Unfortunately, the high end graphics cards are only available for the PC platform. Macs have a different type of bios and while you can probably install a Mac video card in a PC, you cannot do it the other way around. The brand new Imac comes with the ATI HD2600 PRO. Also the Imac has a lot of laptop parts so that card will probably not be upgradeable. The best you can get with the Mac Pro is the ATI X1900XT. While those cards are alright, they don?t even perform at half of the rate of the high-end PC cards. You can do some mild gaming but you can forget about playing the newest games at high resolutions. I have always like apple and their products and they have pros and cons. The bottle line, however, is that if you are very concerned about gaming you pretty much have to go with a PC. Gaming is just not a priority for apple.

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                                                                                                                                                                    • Libertine
                                                                                                                                                                      sex dwarf
                                                                                                                                                                      • May 2002
                                                                                                                                                                      • 17860
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by bobosoft
                                                                                                                                                                      It is not a software issue. Unfortunately, the high end graphics cards are only available for the PC platform. Macs have a different type of bios and while you can probably install a Mac video card in a PC, you cannot do it the other way around. The brand new Imac comes with the ATI HD2600 PRO. Also the Imac has a lot of laptop parts so that card will probably not be upgradeable. The best you can get with the Mac Pro is the ATI X1900XT. While those cards are alright, they don’t even perform at half of the rate of the high-end PC cards. You can do some mild gaming but you can forget about playing the newest games at high resolutions. I have always like apple and their products and they have pros and cons. The bottle line, however, is that if you are very concerned about gaming you pretty much have to go with a PC. Gaming is just not a priority for apple.
                                                                                                                                                                      You're right, for hardcore gamers macs aren't a good choice (neither is Vista in its current state, though - XP is still faster with most games, and few games make any significant use of DirectX 10).

                                                                                                                                                                      For occasional gamers, performance is more than good enough. The HD2600 PRO is a decent video card, and more than enough to run fairly new games at decent settings.

                                                                                                                                                                      The post I was responding to mentioned CIV 4... which should run perfectly well on a mac with a decent amount of memory.
                                                                                                                                                                      /(bb|[^b]{2})/

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                                                                                                                                                                        • pussyluver
                                                                                                                                                                          Clueless OleMan
                                                                                                                                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                                          • 11009
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          XP had problems when it was new. Memory just fades over time. Your users are buying boxes with Vista on them. You should be familar with any quirks. IE displays slightly different on Vista.

                                                                                                                                                                          Happy with the Vista box even though it won't run everything I need to. So I remote into an XP box in my network. Suggest you get the 4Gb L2 cache version of the CPU & 4 Gig Ram.

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                                                                                                                                                                            • Libertine
                                                                                                                                                                              sex dwarf
                                                                                                                                                                              • May 2002
                                                                                                                                                                              • 17860
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by pussyluver
                                                                                                                                                                              XP had problems when it was new. Memory just fades over time. Your users are buying boxes with Vista on them. You should be familar with any quirks. IE displays slightly different on Vista.

                                                                                                                                                                              Happy with the Vista box even though it won't run everything I need to. So I remote into an XP box in my network. Suggest you get the 4Gb L2 cache version of the CPU & 4 Gig Ram.
                                                                                                                                                                              Did you read the first post?

                                                                                                                                                                              This PC is not for me. It's for someone who will only use it to write a line or two in a single Word document each day, check his Yahoo mail, and play Solitaire and Bubble Shooter. Literally. That's it. Nothing more, ever.

                                                                                                                                                                              Getting 4 gigs of ram for that would be insane.
                                                                                                                                                                              /(bb|[^b]{2})/

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                                                                                                                                                                                • Martin3
                                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 1529
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Vista's great if you know what you're doing. Otherwise stick with XP or buy a Mac.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Most people who think they know what they're simply don't, that's just the way it is. How long you're been using a computer doesn't matter. I've known people that have been using computers daily for 20+ years and still don't know dick, relatively speaking.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Though I can understand the frustration, Vista isn't really noob friendly at all. Even though that's what MS was trying to accomplish.
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • picaso
                                                                                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2007
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 11247
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      i stick with xp

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                                          Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 23200
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Martin3
                                                                                                                                                                                          Vista's great if you know what you're doing. Otherwise stick with XP or buy a Mac.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Most people who think they know what they're simply don't, that's just the way it is. How long you're been using a computer doesn't matter. I've known people that have been using computers daily for 20+ years and still don't know dick, relatively speaking.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Though I can understand the frustration, Vista isn't really noob friendly at all. Even though that's what MS was trying to accomplish.
                                                                                                                                                                                          I took a couple classes and learned a couple languages, like Java and Mechanical, it makes more sense then
                                                                                                                                                                                          Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                                                                          think about that

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