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  • 2HousePlague
    CURATOR
    • Jul 2004
    • 14572

    #51
    Well, It's ON, it's learning aggressively, and it's setting down a "basis layer" of crawl information, but it is gettimng more discerning every day. I can't believe how little discussed google blogsearch has been on this board, even as you ALL hop onto the blog bandwagon for google goodness -- i didn't get that, but noticed a handful of you were hip. I have made every effort to enthusiastically salute all whom i find swimming in deep water -- if i have not said hello, it's only because we have not bumped heads in the night -- i am doing things rather visibly, which puts me at a social disadvantage --

    I hope it's abundantly clear to those who would worry otherwise that i know there are people here who know all this already -- and they are not the ones contradicting me in my threads --

    2hp
    tada!

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    • psili
      Confirmed User
      • Apr 2003
      • 5526

      #52
      I, personally, can't wait until blogs die and RSS is actually used appropriately.

      That's just me though.

      The net's been proliferating, un-bounded by natural selection, much like humanity. And it sucks.
      Your post count means nothing.

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      • 2HousePlague
        CURATOR
        • Jul 2004
        • 14572

        #53
        As I was explainig to Franck, the dissolution of the unit of content called "page" has left us

        with "instantiations of dynamic content via templates and feeds, with design, visual

        appearance, and user interface provided remotely through CSS." These pages don't exist. They

        are contingent instructions for running scripts There was no way to avoid this happening, and

        it's a very good thing -- URI's can be made and changed for large numbers of content items in

        a few seconds, and yet it all remains emimently readable and traceable by the spider who

        absorbs these changes almost seamlessly. The contribution of the blogform is all this backend

        power in an irresitibele user vehicle for individual expression. But gone are the days of the

        lonely, pathetic webmaster making lovely things no one will ever see. The blogs also bring a

        form of democracy that is by far the most awesome development on the web to date.

        Previously I wrote:
        RSS comes into play as the mechansm through which Syndicators will deliver content to

        Afiliates, and through which Affiliates will communicate with each other and Syndicate

        Forward.

        While it is already commonly understood and expected that sponsor programs will give you tools

        and content to help you promote them, the tipping point in that relationship is definitely

        shifing in favor of the traffic sender.

        Here again, RSS comes into the picture, as Sponsors/Syndicators pump billions into affliate

        acquisition marketing. Production costs rise with audience market share. And audiences are

        notoriously fickle. This is exactly like broadcast television, during its sponsored hey-day,

        with a few very important differences.

        1.For Syndicator/Sponsors the top line will no longer be limited because it is a

        function of available ad-space or air-time inventory. Once you have spent a million dollars

        for 30 seconds on the Super Bowl, where do you go from there?
        2. In contrast, revenues from online sales will be comparatively unlimited. Affiliates

        will be the ones who open markets for companies, using cultural, language and technological

        expertise to monetize "traffic" in all its forms and wherever it exists.
        3. The use of the Web for value transfer of unprecedented global scale creates new

        billionaires all over the world, in many cases ovenight.
        4. Everyone has a net "presence" of some sort, and whether they are recommending a

        dentist to a friend or operating a $50,000/day e-commerce site -- we are ALL affiliates.
        5. The onus of performance shifts all the way to the Syndicator/Sponsors. Just as it is

        today, the programs with the highest payouts and the best tools win -- except in this future

        scenario, Affiliate Marketing is the only marketing.

        But back to images.., images and a few other "object" file formats are going to take on a more

        substantive role in trustrank computations and other "assessments" companies will undergo
        becuse they will be the most substantive (changeless) things people link to -- more

        importanly, they will play a large role in feeding the next stage of the spider's evolution,

        cognitive complexities such as

        metaphor. This is where you must

        stop thinking that the aim of this is misdirection or deception. You think Google is content

        to have only solid/binary values of meaning shape the spider's actions? Course not. They

        want it to PERFORM. Before I commence the list of things I would say are "rules", please

        remember that a SE that has undertaken the enormous challenge of indexing and providing access to all collected human knowledge has got to learn some things. TEACH IT, INTEREST IT, REVEAL YOUR COMPLEXITY to it, it likes that a lot.


        2hp
        tada!

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        • Dirty F
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Jul 2001
          • 59204

          #54
          Kaboink.

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          • 2HousePlague
            CURATOR
            • Jul 2004
            • 14572

            #55
            Originally posted by Franck
            Kaboink.
            put your wings on.



            2hp
            tada!

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            • nico-t
              emperor of my world
              • Aug 2004
              • 29901

              #56
              Originally posted by 2HousePlague
              Trust. It's suddenly all about trust -- and amazingly -- the mathematical expression of trust. But since, "trust" is TRUST after all, something we have some sense of, you don't need math to produce "trust effect" only an understanding of the concept.

              This is still a little abstract, but TRUST me -- lol-- you will be happy to have had the details grounded in these abstractions.

              You recall the episode of STNG when data has the "emotion chip" installed -- he goes haywire in the most exhilirating (for him) way. That's kinda what it was like when Google put the "trust module" (just to call it something) online. Haywire. Red was gray and yellow white as the Moody Blues said. But it soon stabliized and began to evidence behavior Now it reminds me of Starman -- intense intellect, impenetrably deep remote and alien -- but LEARNING aggressively.

              More in a moment...


              2hp



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              • 2HousePlague
                CURATOR
                • Jul 2004
                • 14572

                #57
                The framework for specfic dont's and do's is simply the question: "What would a 'trustworthy'

                web site do?"

                DATA STRUCTURES AND GENERAL SITE ORGANIZATION

                1. You would be a source of "original"* content, that INCREASES it's archive size at regular

                intervals.

                2. The material in archive mode would be distinguished by i. the oldest files very seldom

                changing or moving, and ii. the addition of new material follows the organizational principles

                in evidence in the earlier archive. In other words, if the archive is arranged alphabetically

                then the new stuff should observe that organization, etc.

                3. Data structures should show long-term planning when they are set-up.

                4. Some organization is better than none. The benefit to being as organized as possible is it

                allows the Spider to be more predictive, and therefore more efficient. Sites where the spider

                performs well are the same as good sites. It has no judgement, remember.


                CONTENT

                Avoid having your content resemeble a big fuzzy, undifferentiated morass. The way trust works

                for content (both images and pages) is you draw or suggest a line for the spider to assess.

                You say "That is porn, and that is images of ripe strawberries." And you see if it believes

                you.

                In a bit, I'll tell you exactly how to categorize and name your images for maximum indexing

                and maxumum trust.


                2hp



                *(Or an original combination of syndicated content)
                tada!

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                • Dirty F
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Jul 2001
                  • 59204

                  #58
                  Continue please.

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                  • Rui
                    web
                    • Dec 2001
                    • 9533

                    #59
                    No offense I like some of the things you are saying but it seems you are writting all that under the influence of mushrooms or something like that...ehh

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                    • 2HousePlague
                      CURATOR
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 14572

                      #60
                      Originally posted by Rui
                      No offense I like some of the things you are saying but it seems you are writting all that under the influence of mushrooms or something like that...ehh
                      Really? Is it that incomprehensible to you? Your statement means either "I am stupid." or "I hate you, Jack." Which is it? And who are you? And why do you have an opinion? How have I ever offended or hurt you? Merry Christmas.

                      2hp
                      tada!

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                      • 2HousePlague
                        CURATOR
                        • Jul 2004
                        • 14572

                        #61
                        Above I alluded that "giving the spider pause" is a good thing, that making it scratch its noggin a bit is a good thing. That much will get you noticed (indexed). But, to really win the spider's love you have to expand its mind.

                        Metaphor has proven a very exciting area of AI research for me. The metaphorical, for being the opposite of what computers are -- literal --
                        takes the burgeoning AI of the Google Spider into an uncharted direction heuristically and increases its power to serve our inmformation retrieval needs.

                        Here's a simple example I just whipped to show you how you can Teach The Google Spider Metaphor.

                        The basic elements are...

                        1. An image I've just indexed for bridge and for profitlabinc:



                        2. A high-ranking image for "spectrum"




                        3. And this:

                        A SPECTRUM IS A BRIDGE


                        Simple as that.


                        The spider feels pretty confident the above image is a spectrum, and since my decently ranked site has established the above image as a bridge, as related to my company name, and is fairly new in the index, we create for it the opportunity to enlarge its "sense" of what this image could be about. Hereafter, we also establish a connection in the Spider's mind between "bridges" and "spectrums" -- it will probably find others, and each time say "A-ha!"


                        2hp
                        tada!

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                        • Inde
                          Confirmed User
                          • Jun 2002
                          • 983

                          #62
                          Originally posted by 2HousePlague
                          Trust. It's suddenly all about trust -- and amazingly -- the mathematical expression of trust. But since, "trust" is TRUST after all, something we have some sense of, you don't need math to produce "trust effect" only an understanding of the concept.

                          This is still a little abstract, but TRUST me -- lol-- you will be happy to have had the details grounded in these abstractions.

                          You recall the episode of STNG when data has the "emotion chip" installed -- he goes haywire in the most exhilirating (for him) way. That's kinda what it was like when Google put the "trust module" (just to call it something) online. Haywire. Red was gray and yellow white as the Moody Blues said. But it soon stabliized and began to evidence behavior Now it reminds me of Starman -- intense intellect, impenetrably deep remote and alien -- but LEARNING aggressively.

                          More in a moment...







                          2hp
                          put down the pipe please

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                          • X37375787

                            #63
                            what the fuck is wrong with this guy?

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                            • 2HousePlague
                              CURATOR
                              • Jul 2004
                              • 14572

                              #64
                              Originally posted by Equinox
                              what the fuck is wrong with this guy?
                              just a little strange.




                              2hp
                              tada!

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                              • Mr Pheer
                                Top Rated CEO
                                • Dec 2002
                                • 22091

                                #65
                                Originally posted by 2HousePlague
                                Really? Is it that incomprehensible to you? Your statement means either "I am stupid." or "I hate you, Jack." Which is it? And who are you? And why do you have an opinion? How have I ever offended or hurt you? Merry Christmas.

                                2hp
                                Jack

                                I'm not stupid and have nothing but love for ya man... but sometimes I have a hard time understanding this stuff to

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                                • nico-t
                                  emperor of my world
                                  • Aug 2004
                                  • 29901

                                  #66
                                  Originally posted by 2HousePlague
                                  Above I alluded that "giving the spider pause" is a good thing, that making it scratch its noggin a bit is a good thing. That much will get you noticed (indexed). But, to really win the spider's love you have to expand its mind.

                                  Metaphor has proven a very exciting area of AI research for me. The metaphorical, for being the opposite of what computers are -- literal --
                                  takes the burgeoning AI of the Google Spider into an uncharted direction heuristically and increases its power to serve our inmformation retrieval needs.

                                  Here's a simple example I just whipped to show you how you can Teach The Google Spider Metaphor.

                                  The basic elements are...

                                  1. An image I've just indexed for bridge and for profitlabinc:



                                  2. A high-ranking image for "spectrum"




                                  3. And this:

                                  A SPECTRUM IS A BRIDGE


                                  Simple as that.


                                  The spider feels pretty confident the above image is a spectrum, and since my decently ranked site has established the above image as a bridge, as related to my company name, and is fairly new in the index, we create for it the opportunity to enlarge its "sense" of what this image could be about. Hereafter, we also establish a connection in the Spider's mind between "bridges" and "spectrums" -- it will probably find others, and each time say "A-ha!"


                                  2hp
                                  now this was a nice post

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                                  • Rui
                                    web
                                    • Dec 2001
                                    • 9533

                                    #67
                                    Originally posted by 2HousePlague
                                    Really? Is it that incomprehensible to you? Your statement means either "I am stupid." or "I hate you, Jack." Which is it? And who are you? And why do you have an opinion? How have I ever offended or hurt you? Merry Christmas.

                                    2hp
                                    chill the fuck out...I think my post was quite clear...

                                    hate you?...

                                    why do I have an opinion?

                                    wtf....

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                                    • 2HousePlague
                                      CURATOR
                                      • Jul 2004
                                      • 14572

                                      #68
                                      Originally posted by MrPheer
                                      Jack

                                      I'm not stupid and have nothing but love for ya man... but sometimes I have a hard time understanding this stuff to
                                      Thanks, Will -- love you, too

                                      I'd be happy to try to make the material a little more "digestible".

                                      Was THAT the message, rui ? Did I misunderstand? I'd be happy to do that, if you ask --


                                      2hp
                                      tada!

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                                      • 2HousePlague
                                        CURATOR
                                        • Jul 2004
                                        • 14572

                                        #69
                                        In the spirit of "tying things together"...

                                        What does it cost you to do business only with your friends?

                                        2hp
                                        tada!

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                                        • Rui
                                          web
                                          • Dec 2001
                                          • 9533

                                          #70
                                          Originally posted by 2HousePlague
                                          Thanks, Will -- love you, too

                                          I'd be happy to try to make the material a little more "digestible".

                                          Was THAT the message, rui ? Did I misunderstand? I'd be happy to do that, if you ask --


                                          2hp
                                          not really, that last post was in response for your "going berzerk posture"...a bit uncalled for IMHO, but hey whatever works for you I guess...

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                                          • 2HousePlague
                                            CURATOR
                                            • Jul 2004
                                            • 14572

                                            #71
                                            Originally posted by Rui
                                            not really, that last post was in response for your "going berzerk posture"...a bit uncalled for IMHO, but hey whatever works for you I guess...
                                            "berzerk" -- ? --

                                            You must be from Scandinavia. Brother, I'm a spic-Jew -- you think that was berzerk --


                                            2hp
                                            tada!

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                                            • 2HousePlague
                                              CURATOR
                                              • Jul 2004
                                              • 14572

                                              #72




                                              2hp
                                              tada!

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