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  • Mutt
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    • Sep 2002
    • 34431
    #1

    US now ranks 42nd in life expectancy

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20228552/

    that's kinda shocking.

    the last thing the guy who did the study from the Univesity of Washington says:

    ?The starting point is the recognition that the U.S. does not have the best health care system. There are still an awful lot of people who think it does.?
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    • directfiesta
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      • Oct 2002
      • 30141
      #2
      That is VERY unpatriotic !!!!!
      I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

      But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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        • GatorB
          The Demon & 12clicks
          • Oct 2001
          • 18208
          #3
          Ok her are some factors.

          More Americans are obese than ever and getting less exercise than ever. This is something people themselves can control.

          If you only count WHITE people then the US life expectancy is as high as anywhere. I'm sure some counties near the top like I'm sure Norway and Japan have ONE race and let's face it blacks bring down the average for everyone. Not because blacks are genetically inclined to live less, but because of social/economical circumstances the vast majority of blacks live under in the US.

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            • 12clicks
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              • Jan 2001
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              #4
              the horror!
              I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                • tony299
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                  • Aug 2002
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                  #5
                  "A relatively high percentage of babies born in the U.S. die before their first birthday, compared with other industrialized nations."

                  Go ahead spin that.

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                    • woj
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                      • Jul 2002
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                      #6
                      Originally posted by tony404
                      "A relatively high percentage of babies born in the U.S. die before their first birthday, compared with other industrialized nations."

                      Go ahead spin that.
                      Blacks gotta be involved in this somehow too... they are probably too poor to properly feed the kids... (jk, but who knows, maybe that's really the reason)
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                        • BlondeBecks
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                          • Mar 2007
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                          #7
                          Didn't Micheal Moore recently do a movie on healthcare issuse? Does anybody remember the name of it?

                          From what I understand it exposes why the U.S. has such poor healthcare. I'm not trying to be unpatriotic, but we first have to acknowledge that there is a problem in order to do something about it, if that's even possible at this point.

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                            • Casa Nova
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                              • Mar 2007
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                              #8
                              I wonder how canada fairs on the list

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                                • GatorB
                                  The Demon & 12clicks
                                  • Oct 2001
                                  • 18208
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by tony404
                                  "A relatively high percentage of babies born in the U.S. die before their first birthday, compared with other industrialized nations."

                                  Go ahead spin that.
                                  Per 1000 live births

                                  US 6.37
                                  United Kingdom   5.01
                                  Canada   4.63
                                  Australia   4.57

                                  So please. And blacks bring our average down

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                                    • Grapesoda
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                                      • Jul 2003
                                      • 46234
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Mutt
                                      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20228552/

                                      that's kinda shocking.

                                      the last thing the guy who did the study from the Univesity of Washington says:

                                      ?The starting point is the recognition that the U.S. does not have the best health care system. There are still an awful lot of people who think it does.?
                                      the US is turning into a third world country

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                                        • GatorB
                                          The Demon & 12clicks
                                          • Oct 2001
                                          • 18208
                                          #11
                                          Non-Hispanic black women had the highest infant mortality rate in the United States in 2004 – 13.60 per 1,000 live births compared to 5.66 per 1,000 births among non-Hispanic white women. Women of Cuban ethnicity in the United States had the lowest infant mortality rate – 4.55 per 1,000 live births.

                                          The infant mortality rate in the United States in 2004 was 6.78 infant (under 1 year of age) deaths per 1,000 live births, not significantly different from the rate of 6.84 in 2003, according to a report released today by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

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                                            • GatorB
                                              The Demon & 12clicks
                                              • Oct 2001
                                              • 18208
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by BlondeBecks
                                              Didn't Micheal Moore recently do a movie on healthcare issuse? Does anybody remember the name of it?

                                              From what I understand it exposes why the U.S. has such poor healthcare. I'm not trying to be unpatriotic, but we first have to acknowledge that there is a problem in order to do something about it, if that's even possible at this point.
                                              The quality of health in the US is among the best. That is for those that can afford to go to the doctor. Here in lies the problem. Those against universal health care don't realize that in the end we all end up paying for those who are uninsured and that under universal care the costs would be much less and more direct.

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                                                • GreyWolf
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                                                  • Jun 2007
                                                  • 2036
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by Casa Nova
                                                  I wonder how canada fairs on the list
                                                  As at 2004 (same year in the link) - Canada's life expectancy is 80.2 years.

                                                  That excludes "Black Canadians", "male Chinese Canadians" and "Hispanic short guys" - they all live to 120. Love the logic on this thread

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                                                    • GatorB
                                                      The Demon & 12clicks
                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                      • 18208
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by GreyWolf
                                                      As at 2004 (same year in the link) - Canada's life expectancy is 80.2 years.

                                                      That excludes "Black Canadians", "male Chinese Canadians" and "Hispanic short guys" - they all live to 120. Love the logic on this thread

                                                      Don't be a retard. the vat majority of American are HWITE and yes black skew the results. So no I'm not going by a general life expectancy for ALL Americans I'm going to look at WHITE Americans. Canada has very few blacks and those they do have do not have the issues that black Americans have.


                                                      Perhaps you missd this

                                                      Non-Hispanic black women had the highest infant mortality rate in the United States in 2004 ? 13.60 per 1,000 live births compared to 5.66 per 1,000 births among non-Hispanic white women.

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                                                        • eroswebmaster
                                                          March 1st, 2003
                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                          • 20295
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by BlondeBecks
                                                          Didn't Micheal Moore recently do a movie on healthcare issuse? Does anybody remember the name of it?

                                                          From what I understand it exposes why the U.S. has such poor healthcare. I'm not trying to be unpatriotic, but we first have to acknowledge that there is a problem in order to do something about it, if that's even possible at this point.
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                                                            • GreyWolf
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                                                              • Jun 2007
                                                              • 2036
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by Casa Nova
                                                              I wonder how canada fairs on the list
                                                              Sorry - and the ranking is like this.. give or take a year..

                                                              #1 Andorra
                                                              #2 Macau
                                                              #3 Japan
                                                              #4 San Marino
                                                              #5 Singapore
                                                              #6 Hong Kong
                                                              #7 Sweden
                                                              #8 Switzerland
                                                              #9 Australia
                                                              #10 France
                                                              #11 Guernsey
                                                              #12 Iceland
                                                              #13 Canada

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                                                                • GreyWolf
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                                                                  • Jun 2007
                                                                  • 2036
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                  Don't be a retard. the vat majority of American are HWITE and yes black skew the results.
                                                                  The subject is life expectancy for those born in 2004 - not a series of subplots on race or any other topic.

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                                                                    • GatorB
                                                                      The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                                      • 18208
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by GreyWolf
                                                                      The subject is life expectancy for those born in 2004 - not a series of subplots on race or any other topic.

                                                                      You still don't get it. The haters here are using the US's low ranking as a way fo saying "see we suck". Now only do WHITES and see how high we move up the list. Now that's not being racist. It's showing where the REAL problem lies.

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                                                                        • Snake Doctor
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                                                                          • Mar 2001
                                                                          • 13449
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by Mutt
                                                                          http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20228552/

                                                                          that's kinda shocking.

                                                                          the last thing the guy who did the study from the Univesity of Washington says:

                                                                          ?The starting point is the recognition that the U.S. does not have the best health care system. There are still an awful lot of people who think it does.?
                                                                          Damn liberal media always focusing on the negative and never reporting any of the positive things that happen.

                                                                          Reports like this encourage our enemies and demoralize our allies.

                                                                          We're providing health care over there so that the sick people don't follow us home. If we brought all the health care home it would be more dangerous for America.

                                                                          This is all part of the larger strategy of the war on death.

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                                                                            • GreyWolf
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                                                                              • Jun 2007
                                                                              • 2036
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                              You still don't get it. The haters here are using the US's low ranking as a way fo saying "see we suck". Now only do WHITES and see how high we move up the list. Now that's not being racist. It's showing where the REAL problem lies.
                                                                              It has nothing to do with "haters", "race" or "we suck".

                                                                              Every country has potential deviant segments - it's fair to say anyone living in poverty in any country is going to have a lesser life expectancy etc. Generally, people living in non-industrialized countries have a chance of living longer.

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                                                                                • GatorB
                                                                                  The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                  • Oct 2001
                                                                                  • 18208
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by GreyWolf
                                                                                  It has nothing to do with "haters", "race" or "we suck".

                                                                                  Every country has potential deviant segments - it's fair to say anyone living in poverty in any country is going to have a lesser life expectancy etc. Generally, people living in non-industrialized countries have a chance of living longer.

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                                                                                  non industrial countires? like most of Africa?

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                                                                                    • pocketkangaroo
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                                                                                      • Jan 2005
                                                                                      • 8452
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Wanton
                                                                                      the US is turning into a third world country
                                                                                      First, most of the people on this board who earn a living from adult receive most of their money for the United States. Say it has shitty healthcare, a retarded President, etc., but calling a country that is writing your paychecks a third world country is ignorant.

                                                                                      As for the stats, it doesn't have a whole lot to do with our healthcare industry, but moreso with the income and educational levels of parents. In the industrialized world, infants typically don't die from basic diseases in hospitals, they die from accidents and neglect from parents. The UK has seen a large rise in infant deaths in the past couple years which has been found to coorelate to their widening gaps in wealth.

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                                                                                        • GreyWolf
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                                                                                          • Jun 2007
                                                                                          • 2036
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                                          YOU=CLUELESS

                                                                                          non industrial countires? like most of Africa?
                                                                                          No, I'm not clueless - and I never said anything about Africa which is a totally different scenario and related more to starvation and disease.

                                                                                          Why do you think Andorra is top of the list? There are plenty countries where the lifestyle does not revolve around earning a buck, but concentrates more on quality of life. In these scenarios, there is likely to be higher life-expectancy rates - tho plenty "deviants" via other reasons.

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                                                                                            • Intricate
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                                                                                              • Jun 2007
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                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by BlondeBecks
                                                                                              Didn't Micheal Moore recently do a movie on healthcare issuse? Does anybody remember the name of it?

                                                                                              From what I understand it exposes why the U.S. has such poor healthcare. I'm not trying to be unpatriotic, but we first have to acknowledge that there is a problem in order to do something about it, if that's even possible at this point.
                                                                                              The name of the documentary is SiCKO, and I saw it a few days ago. He makes very valid points.

                                                                                              I am Canadian, and I pay out the ass in taxes, but I would still rather our system over yours. No offense intended to Americans.
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                                                                                                • Intricate
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                                                                                                  • Jun 2007
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                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Casa Nova
                                                                                                  I wonder how canada fairs on the list
                                                                                                  url : longevity.about.com/od/researchandmedicine/p/lifeexpectancy.htm

                                                                                                  Canada places about 11th. The life expectancy for 10th position is 80.42 years, and Canada's expectancy is 80.22. So I'd extrapolate that Canada is in about 11th place.

                                                                                                  Canada: 80.22 Years
                                                                                                  USA: 77.85

                                                                                                  Pretty big difference actually...
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                                                                                                    • SmokeyTheBear
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                                                                                                      • Jun 2004
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                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      its funny how people make excuses for americas shitty healthcare.. "its the blacks , " its the hispanics" , "its fat people"

                                                                                                      instead of admitting ," perhaps theres a problem and perhaps we should fix it"


                                                                                                      both sides are guilty of this at times but it always seem like republicans are bent on the "everything is perfect in usa and any debate is unpatriotic and done soley because you must hate america"
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                                                                                                        • SmokeyTheBear
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                                                                                                          • Jun 2004
                                                                                                          • 28609
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by Intricate
                                                                                                          url : longevity.about.com/od/researchandmedicine/p/lifeexpectancy.htm

                                                                                                          Canada places about 11th. The life expectancy for 10th position is 80.42 years, and Canada's expectancy is 80.22. So I'd extrapolate that Canada is in about 11th place.

                                                                                                          Canada: 80.22 Years
                                                                                                          USA: 77.85

                                                                                                          Pretty big difference actually...
                                                                                                          all americans should move to canada when they reach 76, problem solved
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                                                                                                            • buzzy
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                                                                                                              • May 2007
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                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              yep smokey bear is 100&#37; right

                                                                                                              some people just cant accept that there is something wrong with their country

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                                                                                                                • Brujah
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                                                                                                                  • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                  • 22157
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  The average life expectancy at 80 or even 77 still seems pretty high, for an "average" number to me. That's a lot of old people.

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                                                                                                                        • who
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                                                                                                                          • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                          • 19593
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                                          its funny how people make excuses for americas shitty healthcare.. "its the blacks , " its the hispanics" , "its fat people"

                                                                                                                          instead of admitting ," perhaps theres a problem and perhaps we should fix it"


                                                                                                                          both sides are guilty of this at times but it always seem like republicans are bent on the "everything is perfect in usa and any debate is unpatriotic and done soley because you must hate america"
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                                                                                                                            • alexg
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                                                                                                                              • Aug 2003
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                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              why are people surprised by that?

                                                                                                                              it's long known that the US has major health system issues...

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                                                                                                                                • StuartD
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                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                  • 29903
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  If the US was #1, would all these same people be trying to make up excuses why other countries did poorly when they shouldn't or would they just proclaim themselves to be great and dismiss what any other country says as their own excuses?
                                                                                                                                  Would they try to figure out whom to add or exclude from the equation that makes them #1 or would they just dismiss others who say "well, maybe it's because...." ?

                                                                                                                                  Things that make you go hmmm.....
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                                                                                                                                    • directfiesta
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                                                                                                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                      • 30141
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Lenny2
                                                                                                                                      Damn liberal media always focusing on the negative and never reporting any of the positive things that happen.

                                                                                                                                      Reports like this encourage our enemies and demoralize our allies.

                                                                                                                                      We're providing health care over there so that the sick people don't follow us home. If we brought all the health care home it would be more dangerous for America.

                                                                                                                                      This is all part of the larger strategy of the war on death.

                                                                                                                                      </sarcasm>


                                                                                                                                      nice adaptation ....
                                                                                                                                      I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                                                                                                      But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                                                                                                        • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                          • 52942
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                                                                                          You still don't get it. The haters here are using the US's low ranking as a way fo saying "see we suck". Now only do WHITES and see how high we move up the list. Now that's not being racist. It's showing where the REAL problem lies.
                                                                                                                                          You are being racist. Because it's not about the color of a mans skin it's about his wealth and ability to pay.

                                                                                                                                          Now if you're saying most poor people in the US are black and therefore unable to get decent medical care then you would be closer to the truth. Examine the life expectancy of afro/Caribbeans earning $250,000 a year against whites earning $250,000 and see if there's any difference.

                                                                                                                                          Why are afro/Caribbeans poorer than white Americans on average? Bad culture heritage, low investment in the areas of poor people, bad returns on investment in these areas. Lots of reasons.



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                                                                                                                                            • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                              • 52942
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              The situation with health care in the US is down to the government and the people who vote for it. A good pointer towards this present governments stance is, I believe this is correct, it was included in the Patriot Act that bringing in cheaper drugs from Mexico or Canada was a crime.

                                                                                                                                              As I said I believe it to be correct.

                                                                                                                                              My mother is diabetic and lives in CA, she pays through the nose for drugs that are 10% of the price 100 miles away. Well I pay through the nose to be honest.



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                                                                                                                                                • RawAlex
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                                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                  • 9465
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  The US could improve it's life expectacy by closing all the McDonalds and taking all the guns off the streets.

                                                                                                                                                  Like that is going to happen.

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                                                                                                                                                    • Barefootsies
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                                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                                      • 42635
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                                                                                                      Ok her are some factors.

                                                                                                                                                      More Americans are obese than ever and getting less exercise than ever. This is something people themselves can control.

                                                                                                                                                      If you only count WHITE people then the US life expectancy is as high as anywhere. I'm sure some counties near the top like I'm sure Norway and Japan have ONE race and let's face it blacks bring down the average for everyone. Not because blacks are genetically inclined to live less, but because of social/economical circumstances the vast majority of blacks live under in the US.
                                                                                                                                                      Correct..

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                                                                                                                                                        • Red Ezra
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                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          I'll drink to this...

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                                                                                                                                                            • Wizzo
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                                                                                                                                                              There is a high level of cultural genocide in some of the poorer intercities in the US, which I'm sure has a effect on the numbers...
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                                                                                                                                                                • stillsexy
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                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  they made comparison between whites and blacks on the link...smell discrimination...

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