Leapfish is not full of shit!! PROOF!!

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  • sortie
    Confirmed User
    • Mar 2007
    • 7771

    #1

    Leapfish is not full of shit!! PROOF!!

    The reason some on this board think that leapfish domain appraisals are crap is because they don't consider other methods to determine a domains worth.

    For example:

    Consider a domain with a relevant product name that gets 20 type-ins a day.
    Consider that companies are paying $1 a click on google ads.
    Consider that a company has a product that should have at least a 10 year
    life span.

    The ten year ad campaign at $1 a click plus 3% annual inflation breaks
    down like this:

    20 hits a day times 365 days = 7300 times $1 = $7300 per year

    Now adjust the yearly cost for inflation for 10 years:

    1 = $7300
    2 -> 3% = $7519
    3 -> 3% = $7744.57
    4 -> 3% = $7976.9
    5 -> 3% = $8216.21
    6 -> 3% = $8462.7
    7 -> 3% = $8716.58
    8 -> 3% = $8978.07
    9 -> 3% = $9247.42
    10-> 3% = $9524.84

    = $83646.29

    So the company will pay google $83,646.29 over this time to get 20 clicks
    a day for 10 years.

    So can your relevant domain provide 20 type-ins a day for 10 years?
    Then it's worth $83646.29

    That's not how much you can sell it for!!
    A company may pay half of that and they figure they've saved 40k on ads!

    Plus at the end of the 10 years the company can sell the domain to recoup advertising cost.

    I've got several domains that will be 10 years old next year, too bad I didn't think about a ten year plan when I started!!!

    Now for the "ney-sayers":
    You're right, who's going to pay $1 a click for porn traffic with all this free porn is out there and only earning $25-$40 per sale.

    Solution: "Think outside the porn".
  • KimJI
    Confirmed User
    • May 2007
    • 1839

    #2
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    • sortie
      Confirmed User
      • Mar 2007
      • 7771

      #3
      Originally posted by KimJI
      I sell Sexy La Dies.com
      LA Dies.com is probably more relevant, so I'll pass.

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      • CDSmith
        Too lazy to set a custom title
        • May 2001
        • 51460

        #4
        Leapfish says one of my TGP's is worth $24,500.00

        Two other such assessors say it's only worth $3k-$8k.


        Obvious conclusion: Leapfish RULES!! :D
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        • Juilan
          Sultan of Swing
          • Feb 2004
          • 15141

          #5
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          • B O B
            Confirmed User
            • Dec 2002
            • 2664

            #6
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            • baddog
              So Fucking Banned
              • Apr 2001
              • 107089

              #7
              Originally posted by YNOTBob
              potential buying companies in adult dont base the value on a ten year revenue structure....
              I have many people that come to me wanting to sell sites based on their "potential." Unfortunately, potential has very little value in most cases.

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              • sortie
                Confirmed User
                • Mar 2007
                • 7771

                #8
                Originally posted by YNOTBob
                potential buying companies in adult dont base the value on a ten year revenue structure....
                Yeah, because their shit will be on a torrent site in 3 weeks.

                My point is that leapfish is not trying to get it right for the porn industry, in fact they couldn't give a shit about it. The days when porn made all the money are over. Nobody's going to pay $1 billion for pornotube.

                Here's challenge:

                list 10 porn sites that if sold in a lot could get $1 billion.

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                • Angelo22
                  Writer
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 3123

                  #9
                  It still remains that if our domains were sold for leapfish prices, we'd all be millionaires
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                  • sortie
                    Confirmed User
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 7771

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Angelo22
                    It still remains that if our domains were sold for leapfish prices, we'd all be millionaires
                    Yeah, but that's the point you missed. Leapfish doesn't give you a price, it gives you the "worth". A decent price might be 10 times less than the worth.

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                    • GatorB
                      The Demon & 12clicks
                      • Oct 2001
                      • 18208

                      #11
                      So CNN.com is worth $3.7 BILLION?

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                      • sortie
                        Confirmed User
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 7771

                        #12
                        Originally posted by GatorB
                        So CNN.com is worth $3.7 BILLION?
                        CNN.com : Indexed Data
                        DMOZ: 223,839 listings
                        Y! Directory: 2,865 listings
                        Visitors by Country:
                        United States 64.2% Canada 5.6%
                        United Kingdom 2.3% Philippines 1.1%
                        Australia 1% India 1%

                        Visitors by City: 1) New York, NY, US 6.9%
                        2) Los Angeles, CA, US 6%
                        3) San Francisco, CA, US 4.6%

                        Alexa Trend/Rank: #69 3 ranks over the last three months.
                        Compete Rank: #35 with 19,534,727 U.S. visitors per month
                        Quantcast Rank: #25
                        Wikipedia: Listed on 13,702 pages


                        ** 19,534,727 hits per month times $1 a click for 10 years plus inflation comes out to be over 3 billion dollars.

                        What the site would sell for would be totally differrent.

                        If CNN sold it's network then it would make sense for them to ask for
                        $300 million for the website.

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                        • sortie
                          Confirmed User
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 7771

                          #13
                          PS: I only counted US visitors per month!!!

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                          • tony299
                            lurker
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 57021

                            #14
                            Originally posted by YNOTBob
                            potential buying companies in adult dont base the value on a ten year revenue structure....
                            Very true and that also goes for some mainstream.

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                            • GatorB
                              The Demon & 12clicks
                              • Oct 2001
                              • 18208

                              #15
                              Originally posted by sortie

                              What the site would sell for would be totally differrent.
                              What a site would sell for is the only thing that matters.

                              If CNN sold it's network then it would make sense for them to ask for
                              $300 million for the website.
                              And that would be 1/12 of what leapfish says it's worth.

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                              • BlackCrayon
                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                • Jun 2003
                                • 19634

                                #16
                                Originally posted by CDSmith
                                Leapfish says one of my TGP's is worth $24,500.00

                                Two other such assessors say it's only worth $3k-$8k.


                                Obvious conclusion: Leapfish RULES!! :D
                                I got a few domains that leapfish says are worth 168k. If only.
                                you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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                                • fris
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • Aug 2002
                                  • 55703

                                  #17
                                  Combined Domain Name Appraisal Value Score: 3658

                                  Estimated Domain Name Value:

                                  $3,299,516.00

                                  --

                                  right
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                                  • jonesonyou
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Sep 2003
                                    • 3853

                                    #18
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                                    • sortie
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Mar 2007
                                      • 7771

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by GatorB
                                      And that would be 1/12 of what leapfish says it's worth.
                                      I already said that a decent price could be ten times less the worth.

                                      Think about it; if you pay what the site is worth then where's your chance to earn a profit??

                                      You're not selling a house, you're selling a money producing venue.
                                      If you sell it at the price equal to all the money it can produce for the maximum 10 year registration then how is the buyer going to profit?

                                      Think about it this way:

                                      A pizza palor is for sale for $250k plus a ten year lease.
                                      You pay 250k, and you pay it because you know that you will earn
                                      more than $2.5 million before the lease is up.
                                      Later that night at a party somebody ask you what do you think your
                                      pizza parlor deal is "worth" and you say $2.5 million.

                                      If terrorist blow the place up over the weekend do you think
                                      "I lost 250k" or do you think "Fuck, there goes my $2.5 mil"?

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                                      • sortie
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Mar 2007
                                        • 7771

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Fris
                                        Combined Domain Name Appraisal Value Score: 3658

                                        Estimated Domain Name Value:

                                        $3,299,516.00

                                        --

                                        right
                                        How many hits per day on that site?
                                        Did you do the $1 a click math over 10 years.

                                        Why ten years? Because that's the maximum time allowed to register(lease) the name at one time. In other words, what's the full income potential before my lease runs out?

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