Gingrich Predicts Clinton-Obama Ticket

You really think Edwards is going to want to be the VP nominee again?

No way a Clinton/Obamma ticket wins in 08. So they win NY and Ill which both almost always vote Dem anyways. Big deal. For Dems to win they need to win some southern states. Let's see Hillary and a black dude. Which southern states are going to vote for that combo?

And Edwards/Richardson ticket would win and if Dems had brains they see that and vote Edwards in the primaries.

Never's a long time.

Typically, the only time you're absolutely wrong is if you speak in absolutes.

Besides, even on the short-term, I disagree with you - I feel we'll see a female president in our lifetime.

Werd Up. I'll take any Edwards running-mate, myself.

Edwards Vs. Ron Paul in '08!

Agree to disagree.

Edwards/Richardson wouldn't even make a blip on the map.

People that live in Democratic strongholds don't really understand just how redneck this country really is. Here's a map of the 2004 election. The one that re-elected Bush. Would any Democrats that think a Clinton/Obama ticket has a chance of winning please point out which counties they think will change to blue because a woman and a black guy are running?

You forget that the election is based on the electoral college ( I believe wrongly so but that is another debate for another time.) Kerry, a super liberal senator came within one state, Ohio, of beating Bush in that election.

Also, many of those red areas have very few people in them. Rural areas tend to vote republican. If you add up all the people that live in the red areas and all the people that live in the blue you would find out it is pretty close in number.

Lest you forget that Hilary is from Arkansas and when Bill Clinton ran he carried some southern states. She can win some.

Anyone who is 100% sure that a Clinton/Obama ticket can't win doesn't know as much about politics as they might like to think. I'm not saying they will win, but they can.

Here is why:

1. What do we hear every year at election time? We hear that there is no difference in the candidates and it is one rich white guy or the other rich white guy. Well a woman and a black guy are at least a change from that. That change could help to invigorate the far left which often times ends up not voting.

2. Hilary won't make the same mistake that Gore made in 2000. She will saddle Bill up and use him as much as possible. Love or hate Bill Clinton you have to admit that he might be one of the greatest campaigners in the history of politics. Bill can help them win some of the more moderate southern states or at least help them win some of the more right leaning battle ground states.

3. There will be no major changes on the political landscape before the election (baring some kind of major event) so we will still be a red state/blue state country which means the election, again, will come down to just a few states. In that type of a race anyone has a chance.

4. In the last election it came down to Ohio. John Kerry is considered by many to be one of, if not the most, liberal senator in the country. If a guy that is that liberal can come withing one state of knocking out a sitting president it says a lot for the countries state of mind.

5. The country is in the midst of a full on republican back lash. I'm not saying the democrats are doing a bang up job, but this happens all the time. When one party is in power for a while they get fat, bloated and start believing their own bullshit and eventually it catches up to them and the people want a change. Any republican candidate will have to spend a decent amount of time proving that they are not Bush. Many people will see any Republican candidate as "4 more years of Bush" and that will hurt them.

6. Iraq. Every day more and more people start believing we need to leave Iraq. Both Hilary and Obama have said they will pull us out of there and end the war. The republican party got us into the war, so whatever candidate they have will have to bare that burden and it will be a heavy one if the candidate has previously come out in support of the war.

7. The religious right is angry with the republican party. They feel used. They were promised a lot and were given very little. They feel like they were taken advantage of and, like it or not, they control the republican party. The only possible candidate they will wholly support is Fred Thompson. They don't like the others, but may support them to a degree simply because they dislike Hilary more. That said, any candidate other than Thompson (and maybe even him) won't be able to count of the wholesale support of the religious right and that will hurt them badly.

There are other indicators, but I don't want to turn this post into an essay

I'm not saying a Hilary/Obama ticket will win. I'm not saying I want them to win. I'm simply saying that if you look at the landscape of the country and the recent happenings on the political scene it points to the reality that they can win.

beat me to it.

this site is running like shit today.

Didn't forget that at all. It's an electroal college map broken down by county rather than state.

Not close enough to have won the election for Kerry. The rural people that voted Republican in the last election are not going to switch to Democrat because a woman and a black guy are running.

How is this an electoral college map?

I don't see a key that shows the weight of each states rep'd vote...

Alot of those little red squares don't mean much in the overall grand scheme of things

Voter turn out in the red states is ALOT less then in the blue states. Just look at the popular votes.

You do make a strong argument but I'm still not convinced. I'm pretty pessimistic after spending some time in the midwest last year.

You're correct, it's not an electoral college map of the last election. But I think it's very significant to realize how many counties voted a republican majority. Which red states do you think will turn blue if Clinton/Obama run?

Not many.

But the beauty of the electoral college is that only a few swing states TRULY matter.

Utah, Wyoming and Idaho all look good in red...but Massachusetts alone outweighs any Republican votes that are likely to come out of those states.

The race is obviously too early to call but you guys are placing way too much emphasis on these red states. I mean the popular vote is always extremely close...but if i was too look at that map I would think otherwise.

You cant go by that,look at all the republicans that were voted out last election.