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12-08-2005, 03:34 AM

how easy is it for an offshore company to open up a business account with a good swiss(or other) bank ?

I've heard that for non-resident businesses, they require huge initial deposits. Is it all true or can you still get a good bank to which you can transfer funds from online processors(2co, paypal, etc ) and not put up 500 000$ initial deposit ?

I'm not looking for caribbean banks since most of them offer no warranty, and you can't transfer funds from online processors to them.
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12-08-2005, 03:41 AM

You can't transfer funds from online processors to a Caribbean bank?

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12-08-2005, 03:44 AM

hmm

afaik, Paypal is very select about which banks in which countries it makes transfers to. No country in the Caribbean is on their allowed list.
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12-08-2005, 03:53 AM

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afaik, Paypal is very select about which banks in which countries it makes transfers to. No country in the Caribbean is on their allowed list.

Yeah, but that's just PayPal. Why not get a merchant account?

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12-08-2005, 04:15 AM

forget it if you havent got the $ then dont try

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12-08-2005, 04:20 AM

I've wondered about that also.

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12-08-2005, 04:30 AM

Originally posted by sheken

how easy is it for an offshore company to open up a business account with a good swiss(or other) bank ?

I've heard that for non-resident businesses, they require huge initial deposits. Is it all true or can you still get a good bank to which you can transfer funds from online processors(2co, paypal, etc ) and not put up 500 000$ initial deposit ?

I'm not looking for caribbean banks since most of them offer no warranty, and you can't transfer funds from online processors to them.

Any business can open bank accounts wherever they want... offshore is incidental and customary opening balance is around $5000 - $10000, but often it can be $1000 or so. The other criteria that may be useful is online facilities. There are a good number of offshore banks where you can simply signup online without having to go there.

Switzerland is not noted for "offshore" particularly - more for private banking.

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12-08-2005, 05:05 AM

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indeed, but how do you make sure that an "online" BVI bank is secure ?

what if they close shop within 2 weeks and take your money with them ?

I need something safe. I may not have 500k to deposit up-start, but I could definetely start with 20k.

I just called Credit Suisse and they told me that for offshore businesses, I need to either bring up 400 000$ and deposit it with them OR provide assets worth 400k US or more.

nice.

guess I can try UBS too but I think I know what they will tell me
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12-08-2005, 05:16 AM

try cyprus
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12-08-2005, 05:40 AM

Originally posted by thinkx

forget it if you havent got the $ then dont try

You are an idiot.

sheken, Swiss banks are very selective. but there are a lot of other options - English banks for example.
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12-08-2005, 05:44 AM

Originally posted by thinkx

forget it if you havent got the $ then dont try

Just what are you talking about, really?

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12-08-2005, 05:45 AM

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You are an idiot.

sheken, Swiss banks are very selective. but there are a lot of other options - English banks for example.

lol n00b youre clueless, name one English bank allowing adult and offshore.

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12-08-2005, 05:47 AM

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lol n00b youre clueless, name one English bank allowing adult and offshore.

Did anyone say it was for an "adult" business?

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12-08-2005, 05:48 AM

Originally posted by chupachups

Just what are you talking about, really?

Sheken, talk to Webby - he´s good at this, or mail me and I might be able to help. cchups (at) gmail.com

There are 2 Swiss bank who, based on referrals ONLY accept offshore and adult.

There are NONE offshore banks accepting adult.

There are 100s of offshore banks where everyone opens accounts stating 'webdesign' or whatever and put adult money in it. Give or take a year and theyll close it and youll be out on the streets and seriously have to wonder if your money will be available.

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12-08-2005, 05:49 AM

Contact a lawyer who specializes in these matters, it's not as easy as most people tend to believe. If you want I could refer you to a very capable lawyer.

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12-08-2005, 05:49 AM

Originally posted by BRISK

Did anyone say it was for an "adult" business?

well this is an adult forum isnt it?

If its mainstream then every larger bank will accept offshore and this post is useless.

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12-08-2005, 05:55 AM

You should also look into Dubai
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12-08-2005, 06:00 AM

[QUOTE=thinkx]well this is an adult forum isnt it?
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So Paypal and adult then?
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12-08-2005, 06:02 AM

[QUOTE=chupachups][QUOTE=thinkx]well this is an adult forum isnt it?

So Paypal and adult then?

Same situation. If they find out theyll kick your ass too. Any regular offshore bank knowing youre into adult will kick your ass.

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12-08-2005, 06:04 AM

[QUOTE=thinkx][QUOTE=chupachups]

Originally posted by thinkx

well this is an adult forum isnt it?

Same situation. If they find out theyll kick your ass too. Any regular offshore bank knowing youre into adult will kick your ass.

Thats what I meant, so I am assuming this might not be "adult money".
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12-08-2005, 06:05 AM

[QUOTE=chupachups][QUOTE=thinkx]

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Thats what I meant, so I am assuming this might not be "adult money".

If its not then any bank will set offshore IBCs up if youve got the proper paperwork.

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12-08-2005, 06:05 AM

[QUOTE=thinkx][QUOTE=chupachups]

Originally posted by thinkx

If its not then any bank will set offshore IBCs up if youve got the proper paperwork.

Exactly
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12-08-2005, 06:09 AM

Originally posted by thinkx

lol n00b youre clueless, name one English bank allowing adult and offshore.

Noob? haha, ok.

The only cluess person in this thread is you.
What does 'adult" has to do with it? Do you even understand how offshore banking works?
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12-08-2005, 06:22 AM

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Noob? haha, ok.

The only cluess person in this thread is you.
What does 'adult" has to do with it? Do you even understand how offshore banking works?

its clueless

and yes after 15+ yrs in offshore I think I know

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12-08-2005, 06:27 AM

Well, your posts show that you don't know shit.
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12-08-2005, 06:33 AM

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Well, your posts show that you don't know shit.

Well if I know shit, then pls tell me why money made from adult sites parked in offshore bank accounts is easy as 1-2-3.

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12-08-2005, 06:42 AM

ok

sorry for not clarifying earlier guys.

the money is not from adult or anything adult-related.

I just posted here because there are a tremendous amount of people with knowledge in this area - sorry if it means I bothered some of you.

I am from Canada and I did contact a lawyer about this and his answer was: if the government found out I helped you *save* money from them in any way, shape or form, I'd be liable for X $. And he hung up on me. Seems like there is a law in Canada now that prevents you from trying this sort of $hit, which is very fsckin odd because our Prime-Minister has a company registered in the Bahamas and ofcourse..our biggest bank ( Royal Bank ) is incorporated in the Bahamas too.

Anyhoo, back on track. I'm in Europe for a while now and I thought if I could find a bank on this continent I could easily drop by and open up an account. Furthermore, the online processors I use(2co, paysystems, paypal ) don't do transfers to Caribbean Banks in Nevis, BVI, Bahamas, etc. On the other hand they do work with Switzerland, and that's why I thought my best bet would be with a Swiss bank!

P.S. I called UBS too and they told me they require a 1 mil deposit up front. Even better!
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12-08-2005, 06:46 AM

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Contact a lawyer who specializes in these matters, it's not as easy as most people tend to believe. If you want I could refer you to a very capable lawyer.

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12-08-2005, 06:46 AM

Originally posted by thinkx

lol n00b youre clueless, name one English bank allowing adult and offshore.

you shouldn't comment on things you have no clue about..
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12-08-2005, 06:49 AM

Originally posted by ace0r

you shouldn't comment on things you have no clue about..

its easy to post these things, but posting proof would be a lot better. I can post youre clueless as well. Easy done in 2 secs.

Post a banks name that allows offshore and adult and Ill contact them asking for their TOS stating money from adult sources is ok.

Until then I call BS

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12-08-2005, 07:36 AM

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you shouldn't comment on things you have no clue about..

well? Ive mailed and bumped and still no reply. Like I said BS.

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12-08-2005, 07:59 AM

hmm

this may sound dumb, but why don't banks want to process money from adult-related businesses ?
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12-08-2005, 08:01 AM

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this may sound dumb, but why don't banks want to process money from adult-related businesses ?

Various reasons. Laundering money, high risk, Image for one. Post a sign on your house 'I MAKE GAY PORN' and see how your neighbours respond.

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12-08-2005, 08:04 AM

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so they are afraid that big processors like CCBil, IBill, etc are money laundering operations and that's why they don't take cash for them ?

I always thought that any money was good money as long as it's not illegal. Imoral to some is no grounds to refuse a paying customer.

Maybe if the bank owners are bible thumpers!
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12-08-2005, 08:10 AM

Originally posted by thinkx

There are 2 Swiss bank who, based on referrals ONLY accept offshore and adult.

There are NONE offshore banks accepting adult.

There are 100s of offshore banks where everyone opens accounts stating 'webdesign' or whatever and put adult money in it. Give or take a year and theyll close it and youll be out on the streets and seriously have to wonder if your money will be available.

This is not true. Banks like money, and banks like to have your money.

Different banks have different rules and regulations, and depending on why you want to put your money in a certain bank or certain part of the world, you have to abide by the banks rules and regulations.
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12-08-2005, 08:15 AM

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This is not true. Banks like money, and banks like to have your money.

Different banks have different rules and regulations, and depending on why you want to put your money in a certain bank or certain part of the world, you have to abide by the banks rules and regulations.

If youre talking 500k deposit then yes Im sure there are banks willing to accept

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12-08-2005, 08:17 AM

Use your brain. Set up an account in a Canadian bank, and then send the money to the account in the caribbean

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12-08-2005, 08:24 AM

Give HSBC a call and they will allow you to talk to one of their offshore advisors.

I have part ownership in a Thai disco/bar where money is pushed out to an offshore HSBC account in Singapore because I do not like the restrictions Thai banks impose. I think the opening amount was $10000.
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12-08-2005, 08:26 AM

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Use your brain. Set up an account in a Canadian bank, and then send the money to the account in the caribbean

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12-08-2005, 08:34 AM

Funny thread with so many clueless ppl....

1. Only go offshore when you have 100.000+range
2. COntact a local lawyer, todo this is my advice. I mean everyone can open an offshore account, but risks are you are working illegal. There are many ways to legally bring your money to offshore. Might cost a lil more, but you don't have to be afraid, and look over your shoulder every day,..
3. That your money comes from ADULT does matter. Many banks do not accept funds from adult. Of course you can say: webdesign, but when they found out, you are fucked...

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12-08-2005, 08:38 AM

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Give HSBC a call and they will allow you to talk to one of their offshore advisors.

I have part ownership in a Thai disco/bar where money is pushed out to an offshore HSBC account in Singapore because I do not like the restrictions Thai banks impose. I think the opening amount was $10000.

hsbc doesnt accept adult, maybe under the umbrella of a bar/club but if you state adult revenue porn sites theyll refuse

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12-08-2005, 08:46 AM

thinkx, judging from your comments across various threads i think you must be one of the dumbest guys around here
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12-08-2005, 08:48 AM

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thinkx, judging from your comments across various threads i think you must be one of the dumbest guys around here

right Einstein. A few 100 posts and posting 'ok' once a week. Youre a real winner lol.

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12-08-2005, 09:53 AM

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thinkx, judging from your comments across various threads i think you must be one of the dumbest guys around here

Just curious, what are you doing?

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12-08-2005, 01:57 PM

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indeed, but how do you make sure that an "online" BVI bank is secure ?

what if they close shop within 2 weeks and take your money with them ?

I need something safe. I may not have 500k to deposit up-start, but I could definetely start with 20k.

I just called Credit Suisse and they told me that for offshore businesses, I need to either bring up 400 000$ and deposit it with them OR provide assets worth 400k US or more.

nice.

guess I can try UBS too but I think I know what they will tell me

Banks don't close shop in a couple of weeks and there are 1000's of em with online banking facilities - how else do their clients have current data? They have "procedures" for this.

For under $100K any bank, within reason, is secure enough for that level. (Tho.. it's good practice to have a number of banks and split larger sums - that even applies to "onshore").

People like Credit Suisse are no longer "the" Credit Suisse, but an amalgamation of First Boston and the old Credit Suisse - a place to avoid

If you are in the EU right now.. it's going to be hard to do this without being armed. Banks want total disclosure, including offshore and a pile of paper and recommendations if possible plus source of funds info blah.

Understand your caution in wanting security, but it seems over the top with the level of funding you are talking about. It's gonna be hard to see many banks running away with $20K - $100K worth!

Suggestion... open four accounts and stuff $5K in each and build on that depending how ya feel about the bank.

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12-11-2005, 05:00 AM

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If you are in the EU right now.. it's going to be hard to do this without being armed. Banks want total disclosure, including offshore and a pile of paper and recommendations if possible plus source of funds info blah.
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its possible. I wouldnt reccommed Latvian banks since they ask from where is your income. I was even kicked from Parex Bank because of this, but it was not problem to withdraw all money and closed that account.
I would reccomed HVB in austria, having there account for about year, and its without problems. However they online user interface is only in german language (but they provide english informations how to deal with it).
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12-11-2005, 07:09 AM

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its possible. I wouldnt reccommed Latvian banks since they ask from where is your income. I was even kicked from Parex Bank because of this, but it was not problem to withdraw all money and closed that account.
I would reccomed HVB in austria, having there account for about year, and its without problems. However they online user interface is only in german language (but they provide english informations how to deal with it).

Thanks for that info teomaxxx!

Not sure what the nature of the problem was... was it "porn"? I just tell banks the truth and not one has shown any interest. Tho noticed the main interest is not really the adult biz, but to comply with their monitoring body and cover stuff like drugs and money laundering etc.

If someone does not really need an "offshore" bank - ie one for an offshore corp - there is normally no need (depending on personal circumstances). In our instance, we genuinely are offshore and nothing to hide or taxes to pay - so any bank is fine.

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12-11-2005, 07:27 AM

Try these guys http://www.postfinance.ch/

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On the other hand they do work with Switzerland, and that's why I thought my best bet would be with a Swiss bank!

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12-11-2005, 09:14 AM

hey there
yes there are those canadian banks that have off shore services they are mainly for business purposes meaning foriegn countries to establish some sort of connection
to canada but avoid paying canadian taXES. For canadian citz.. using these banks while a resident of canada ie living in the country.. yes.. your in massive shit like your lawyer kinda hinted.. mainly because they want you to claim the interest and be taxed on it. Now if your a canadian citz and applied for tax free status from rev canada and will out of the country for longer than two years plus a day. then you can use offshore banks with out fear. but if your on a holiday, use a local bank .. leave money there.. go back to canada.. you dont declear the interest.. as its considered world income.. your in shit if they figure you out.

off shore bank options.. isle of man is a tax free haxen
bank of scotland.. is good hi int rates but not tax free.
i used jskye.dk bank a danish bank that service was outstanding min dep 5k usd if i remember righ.

if your in holland ing is a great bank.

just remember off shore banks that are in tax free havens.. low interest and med-large dep requirements..

there alot of new offshore banks popping up.. and i would avoid them and there are little rules regarding insurances for failure to pay. plus there is always the mob issues. ie most banks in cyprus.. are russian mob money related.
most banks will have an offshore branch .. just have to check them out and see what their tos. some will not do services if your in the country of origin.. living in the uk and using a uk offshore bank... no go.

if your looking to hide money from the old lady whom your going to divorce in the next year.. austria. they have the strict bank laws there.. most think switzerland but since the issues of holocoust money and nazi treasure issues.. the government was forced to lift law and the banks now have to report whom have accounts.. In austria that is not the case...

if your looking to just hold money.. bearer bond is the way to go.

bottom line.. if you have a offshore account.. you have to declear the interest..
which kinda defeats of having your money off shore.
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