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12-07-2005, 05:17 AM

Here's the drama:

a guy owes you money for over a year on content, almost 2 years, that he bought, stalls and stalls and one excuse after another: "I'll pay ya next week" "I'll hit ya up with the $ on the first" "I got a big check coming in, then I'll pay ya" "yada yada yada, etc". . . .

So the fucking guy now tells ya that if you'll sign a "work for hire agreement" on the 250 sets that he never bothered to pay ya for, that he'll get the check right out to ya . . .

What do ya think guys? Would ya do it???

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12-07-2005, 05:55 AM

I'd have already contacted my lawyer and outed this guy to other industry people so they know what to expect... You may not be the only person who's been given this treatment. Let it be a lesson, get at least half up front every time

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12-07-2005, 06:19 AM

Originally posted by LadyMischief

I'd have already contacted my lawyer and outed this guy to other industry people so they know what to expect... You may not be the only person who's been given this treatment. Let it be a lesson, get at least half up front every time

this was someone that was supposedly a 'friend' this is why I've gone so long with it . . here's the funny part: the reason I wasn't getting paid is because he took the money from the sales aof my content and started buying content from another producer . . and he owes that guy $$ too. can you fucking belive that?

I'm hoping that he'll take these 'hints' here and setttle up like a fucking man and we can all move on . . if not it should get very interesting around here for a bit . . . the other shooter gave him until friday to pay
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12-07-2005, 06:20 AM

I ain't a lawyer but it does not sound kosher to me. Everyone I have talked to tells me your a hell of a stand-up guy.

Why are you letting this guy shit on ya? Name some names so others can stay away from this scumball.
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12-07-2005, 06:22 AM

2 yrs is insame imho

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12-07-2005, 06:27 AM

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12-07-2005, 07:06 AM

Who is he? Where does he live? Maybe you can send a friend over to "visit" him in person.

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12-07-2005, 07:20 AM

ICQ me i would like to know who your talking about.

Wonder if i may have prob with same guy

But honestly, do not sign anything till; ya get paid for your hard work!

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12-07-2005, 07:22 AM

always get half up front especially on the big orders or a contract. Business is business.
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12-07-2005, 07:25 AM

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always get half up front especially on the big orders or a contract. Business is business.

always been my policy too

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12-07-2005, 07:29 AM

Exclusive content is work made for hire, but he should have asked you for paperwork when the content was shot, not after being a late pay. At this late date, he should settle up his tab and expect you to sign after his check clears. If he doesn't trust you to be selling the agreed rights after he has not paid as agreed, then that just reflects on his intentions and you probably shouldn't sign.

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12-07-2005, 07:29 AM

250 sets? jesus - and you kept sending more - too trusting brian. hope you get it resolved soon.

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12-07-2005, 07:59 AM

from my experience: sending threads like this to the person before naming names can work wonders.

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12-07-2005, 08:04 AM

2 years is way too long, send the mobbbucks family after him
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12-07-2005, 08:11 AM

Originally posted by MaxCandy

ICQ me i would like to know who your talking about.

Wonder if i may have prob with same guy

, But honestly, do not sign anything till; ya get paid for your hard work!

Thanks, Max . . . I don't use ICQ and I doubt that you do biz with him. I'm a long time fan of yer work and would chat you up with email about photography and pussy any time you like don't much care for drama

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12-07-2005, 08:13 AM

Originally posted by Mutt

250 sets? jesus - and you kept sending more - too trusting brian. hope you get it resolved soon.

was an onging 'client' that was a little behind and I try to help everybody I can you know that . .. never more shall I trust again!!
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12-07-2005, 08:14 AM

I get paid in advance on every shoot... except with Grade A clients. Solves all issues.

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12-07-2005, 08:14 AM

anything "work for hire" is a transfer fo ownership - be careful you do not sign over your copyright and/or ownership doing this
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12-07-2005, 08:15 AM

Originally posted by MaDalton

from my experience: sending threads like this to the person before naming names can work wonders.

that's what i'm hoping. figure they guy doesn'tt realize the seruoisness off the situaation and hopefully he'll 'do the right thing" and act right in the future . . . so my next question is this: if he pays me, how much do I charge him not to release his name to the fourm?
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12-07-2005, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by Drunkspringbreakgirls

Who is he? Where does he live? Maybe you can send a friend over to "visit" him in person.

I'm sure you'll see him at the vegas sheenangins . . need a few bucks?

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12-07-2005, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by AmeliaG

Exclusive content is work made for hire, but he should have asked you for paperwork when the content was shot, not after being a late pay. At this late date, he should settle up his tab and expect you to sign after his check clears. If he doesn't trust you to be selling the agreed rights after he has not paid as agreed, then that just reflects on his intentions and you probably shouldn't sign.

sorta of an interesting situation ain't it? I'll probabaly get banned for this episod . . .
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12-07-2005, 10:25 AM

world is full of scammers... get used on that
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12-07-2005, 10:35 AM

But what if the real story was that the guy has already paid you $28,380 and owes $2,500 more and is asking for a work for hire agreement because he doesn't own any of the content without it? What if that was the real story? Would that change anything?

So out of a total bill of $30,880 he's paid $28,380 which is 92% of the bill. And yet he still does not legally own the content because he doesn't have the work for hire form.

And let's say the other shooter was paid $1,100 out of a total of $2,880. And the second shooter hasn't signed a work for hire either.

Those facts might possibly change things, wouldn't they?
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12-07-2005, 10:41 AM

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But what if the real story was that the guy has already paid you $28,380 and owes $2,500 more and is asking for a work for hire agreement because he doesn't own any of the content without it? What if that was the real story? Would that change anything?

So out of a total bill of $30,880 he's paid $28,380 which is 92% of the bill. And yet he still does not legally own the content because he doesn't have the work for hire form.

And let's say the other shooter was paid $1,100 out of a total of $2,880. And the second shooter hasn't signed a work for hire either.

Those facts might possibly change things, wouldn't they?

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12-07-2005, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by bmb

Here's the drama:

a guy owes you money for over a year on content, almost 2 years, that he bought, stalls and stalls and one excuse after another: "I'll pay ya next week" "I'll hit ya up with the $ on the first" "I got a big check coming in, then I'll pay ya" "yada yada yada, etc". . . .

So the fucking guy now tells ya that if you'll sign a "work for hire agreement" on the 250 sets that he never bothered to pay ya for, that he'll get the check right out to ya . . .

What do ya think guys? Would ya do it???

over and out -bmb

2 years??? My lawyer would be handling this by now. You are too nice.

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12-07-2005, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips

But what if the real story was that the guy has already paid you $28,380 and owes $2,500 more and is asking for a work for hire agreement because he doesn't own any of the content without it? What if that was the real story? Would that change anything?

So out of a total bill of $30,880 he's paid $28,380 which is 92% of the bill. And yet he still does not legally own the content because he doesn't have the work for hire form.

And let's say the other shooter was paid $1,100 out of a total of $2,880. And the second shooter hasn't signed a work for hire either.

Those facts might possibly change things, wouldn't they?

beats me?? but when a guy blows you off for so long . . . any way I'll sign the WFHA as soon as the check clears . . problem solved

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12-07-2005, 12:53 PM

Originally posted by bmb

Here's the drama:

a guy owes you money for over a year on content, almost 2 years, that he bought, stalls and stalls and one excuse after another: "I'll pay ya next week" "I'll hit ya up with the $ on the first" "I got a big check coming in, then I'll pay ya" "yada yada yada, etc". . . .

So the fucking guy now tells ya that if you'll sign a "work for hire agreement" on the 250 sets that he never bothered to pay ya for, that he'll get the check right out to ya . . .

What do ya think guys? Would ya do it???

over and out -bmb

Just got your email. This is a tough one. You were really nice to let it go this long. I have a good friend that does the same. let's things slide for a long time. Sometimes it works out and he gets paid. I'm much more agressive when it comes to our money and I'd probably come out blasing and tell the guy it's pay up or kiss the content goodbye. Any chance you could revoke his license on the content?
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12-07-2005, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by Lykos

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hey man, I was poking around at your sites, but http://www.europe-content.com/ is down for me, could be my connection though
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12-07-2005, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by shap

Just got your email. This is a tough one. You were really nice to let it go this long. I have a good friend that does the same. let's things slide for a long time. Sometimes it works out and he gets paid. I'm much more agressive when it comes to our money and I'd probably come out blasing and tell the guy it's pay up or kiss the content goodbye. Any chance you could revoke his license on the content?

Hi Shap . . nice to see ya here . . the only problem I ever had shooting was the shoot I fucked up for you please accept my public apology at this time, hopefully we can do biz again at some point. And yes this whole 'tuna' is a regrettable mess . . . Brian
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12-07-2005, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by bmb

Hi Shap . . nice to see ya here . . the only problem I ever had shooting was the shoot I fucked up for you please accept my public apology at this time, hopefully we can do biz again at some point. And yes this whole 'tuna' is a regrettable mess . . . Brian

Hey Brian. This how i look at it. A photographer and model walked into that shoot. One of them came out and kept doing business as usual. The other came out, quit the biz, shutdown their site and left 100s of webmasters high and dry. Obviously the one who quit wasn't you. I understand shit happens and I've heard so many good things about you from Dean Apology accepted!

Hopefully we can get around to doing some good biz together in 2006

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12-07-2005, 02:20 PM

Yo Shap - Jim's waitin for yer call!!!
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12-07-2005, 03:38 PM

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hey man, I was poking around at your sites, but http://www.europe-content.com/ is down for me, could be my connection though

down here too . . however I can not compete with the euro prices on content but the girls do speak english, well mostly anyway
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12-07-2005, 03:40 PM

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Hey Brian. This how i look at it. A photographer and model walked into that shoot. One of them came out and kept doing business as usual. The other came out, quit the biz, shutdown their site and left 100s of webmasters high and dry. Obviously the one who quit wasn't you. I understand shit happens and I've heard so many good things about you from Dean Apology accepted!

Hopefully we can get around to doing some good biz together in 2006

thanks Shap that shoot was the one of the low points of my life I'll hit you with an email later about what I've got up my sleeve . . . too bad I missed you at glamuorcon
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12-07-2005, 04:16 PM

So..... has there been any resolution here or does the screwing continue?
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12-07-2005, 04:23 PM

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So..... has there been any resolution here or does the screwing continue?

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12-07-2005, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips

But what if the real story was that the guy has already paid you $28,380 and owes $2,500 more and is asking for a work for hire agreement because he doesn't own any of the content without it? What if that was the real story? Would that change anything?

So out of a total bill of $30,880 he's paid $28,380 which is 92% of the bill. And yet he still does not legally own the content because he doesn't have the work for hire form.

And let's say the other shooter was paid $1,100 out of a total of $2,880. And the second shooter hasn't signed a work for hire either.

Those facts might possibly change things, wouldn't they?

BTW this is hysterical

lease a car from GMAC then skip the last lease note and just tell them that: hey!! I paid 92% what's the fucking problem

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12-07-2005, 10:54 PM

Good luck on this one Brian - hope it get's resolved within the next few years

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12-08-2005, 03:06 AM

Originally posted by bmb

that's what i'm hoping. figure they guy doesn'tt realize the seruoisness off the situaation and hopefully he'll 'do the right thing" and act right in the future . . . so my next question is this: if he pays me, how much do I charge him not to release his name to the fourm?

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12-08-2005, 05:49 AM

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We will not being doing buiness with him if this is all true. We will put him on the "LIST".
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