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RALEIGH, N.C. - A double murderer who said he didn't want to be known as a number became the 1,000th person executed in the United States since capital punishment resumed 28 years ago. Kenneth Lee Boyd, who brazenly gunned down his estranged wife and father-in-law 17 years earlier, died at 2:15 a.m. Friday after receiving a lethal injection. After watching Boyd die, Rockingham County Sheriff Sam Page said th

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12-02-2005, 06:46 AM

Why did they wait 17 years?

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12-02-2005, 06:47 AM

out of the 1,000 killed, I bet about 40 of them didn't do the crime.

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12-02-2005, 06:50 AM

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out of the 1,000 killed, I bet about 40 of them didn't do the crime.

That percent is to high.
The actuall percent is > 1%. They dont sentence you to death unless they have convincing evidence.

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12-02-2005, 06:51 AM

Originally posted by Alex

That percent is to high.
The actuall percent is > 1%. They dont sentence you to death unless they have convincing evidence.

geraldo rivera gave me this fact. i believe him over ANYONE!

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12-02-2005, 06:52 AM

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geraldo rivera gave me this fact. i believe him over ANYONE!

I actually had to write a research paper on the death penalty a while back. Most of all the sources i used put the percent at under 1%

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12-02-2005, 06:53 AM

the sad part is... why did they wait 17 fucking years ?

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12-02-2005, 06:53 AM

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the sad part is... why did they wait 17 fucking years ?

Exactly, thats a little over half a million U.S tax payer dollars used to keep him in jail.

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12-02-2005, 06:54 AM

Um... If you pay taxes, that's what you're paying for? Amazing.
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12-02-2005, 06:55 AM

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12-02-2005, 06:56 AM

Originally posted by Alex

I actually had to write a research paper on the death penalty a while back. Most of all the sources i used put the percent at under 1%

we are talking about geraldo rivera. dissin him is like dissin me. don't go there

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12-02-2005, 06:58 AM

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/executions.php

you can find out everyone who has been executed at that site. you can even list them by age. very cool stuff

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12-02-2005, 07:07 AM

Originally posted by Alex

Why did they wait 17 years?

they first give him a horrible time in jail then kill him, that's the way it works

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12-02-2005, 07:18 AM

The ludicrous thing about the death penalty (if it is actually supposed to be of benefit to the public and not merely a sop to some of their less admirable prejudices) is the cost. In my own state, Kansas, the median cost of death-penalty cases through to execution is more than $1¼ million. The median cost of non death-penalty cases through to the end of imprisonment is less than $750K.

States like Tennessee show a similar picture and in New York it is even worse. The eight capital cases there since the reintroduction of the death penalty (and no-one has actually been executed yet) have cost over $20 million each.

The extra cost is not, as many people suppose, greatly influenced by post-conviction appeals. They arise because of the greater depth of investigations prior to such trials and their extended length (both at the original trial and during the sentencing phase). And of course when the jury fails to agree to the death sentence, the cost of life imprisonment is then added to those already incurred.

I don't have any particularly strong feelings against the death penalty, although equally I'm not convinced it really benefits anyone. I do believe that in the US its reintroduction was an entirely cynical political move and that cynicism makes it a barbaric practise here.
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12-02-2005, 07:19 AM

if you kill people, you should die. plain and simple. no matter how much it costs

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12-02-2005, 07:24 AM

That is sad honestly.
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12-02-2005, 07:25 AM

Originally posted by Screaming

That is sad honestly.

what? that guy killed two people. you don't think he should die for it?

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12-02-2005, 07:28 AM

Only 1000? What the fuck are we waiting on? Get to it...I'm sick of paying for this human scum to eat and continue breathing perfectly good air.

I'll even buy the ammo and happily pull the trigger. Two in the head too messy for ya? Ok, I'll volunteer to pull the handle on the gas or the chair.

He may not have wanted to die a number, but I bet the people he killed just didn't want to die.
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12-02-2005, 07:28 AM

Originally posted by pornstar2pac

if you kill people, you should die. plain and simple. no matter how much it costs

And many of the most vehemently pro-death states are also loudly Christian. Seems to me that at if people are going to get their opinions ready made, they could at least get them all from the same store.
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12-02-2005, 07:46 AM

Originally posted by Alex

That percent is to high.
The actuall percent is > 1%.

if the state is executing 1 in 100 people who are innocent, that is far too many

I have no problem with the death penalty for the guilty btw, however if there are innocents being put to death - in any quantity - this should be stopped at least until they can eliminate that possibility
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12-02-2005, 07:49 AM

Stewart said it best.

#1000 should have been put on hold for Saddam Hussein.

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12-02-2005, 07:58 AM

metallica said it best "kill em all, let god sort em out"
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12-02-2005, 08:41 AM

hmm, I figured we'd killed atleast 1,000 here in Tx alone. Lower then I thought.

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12-02-2005, 08:45 AM

Death Penalty is retarded imo.

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12-02-2005, 08:46 AM

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Why did they wait 17 years?

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12-02-2005, 10:48 AM

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hmm, I figured we'd killed atleast 1,000 here in Tx alone. Lower then I thought.

me too, texas doesn't take crap from anyone

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12-02-2005, 11:09 AM

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the sad part is... why did they wait 17 fucking years ?

even sadder... that tookie guy in cali all the idiot celebs are getting behind has been on death row for 26 years..
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12-02-2005, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts

even sadder... that tookie guy in cali all the idiot celebs are getting behind has been on death row for 26 years..

yeah, he only killed 4 people that they know of. it's no biggie, they should let him live

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12-02-2005, 11:17 AM

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out of the 1,000 killed, I bet about 40 of them didn't do the crime.

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12-02-2005, 11:53 AM

how many executed in canada? 20,000-30,000?

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12-02-2005, 12:23 PM

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how many executed in canada? 20,000-30,000?

We dont kill our criminals, we send them south.

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12-02-2005, 12:58 PM

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yeah, he only killed 4 people that they know of. it's no biggie, they should let him live

he's written children books and has changed his life. just ignore the fact he still uses his gang name 'tookie' and guards at san quentin report hes still giving orders for the crips. ignore this too because hes changed!

In addition to committing the above described crimes, Stanley Williams has left his mark forever on our society by co-founding one of the most vicious, brutal gangs in existence, the Crips. Since Williams co-founded the Crips, Crip gang warfare has been responsible for literally thousands of murders in Los Angeles County alone. This warfare resulted in the murder of many innocent men, women and children. For example in 1994 my office prosecuted Stanley 46 Williams? son, Stanley ?Little Tookie? William, Jr., a ?Neighborhood Crip? for shooting a twenty year old girl to death in an alley off of Sunset Boulevard in Hollywood in a gang retaliation shooting. ?Little Tookie? was convicted by a jury of murder. Stanley Williams was sentenced to death in 1981 following his conviction by jury. The appeal process has taken twenty four years to complete. The Los Angeles County Superior Court has set an execution date of December 13, 2005. Governor, I respectfully request that you deny Williams? petition for clemency. It is time that the penalty imposed so many years ago now be carried out.

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12-02-2005, 01:12 PM

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12-02-2005, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by pornstar2pac

out of the 1,000 killed, I bet about 40 of them didn't do the crime.

Who knows ... suspect that may be higher.

The quality of evidence is... overall, extremely poor and a number of defense lawyers are not noted for staying awake or the quality of their research.

Even now with DNA testing from alleged expert witnesses - many of these folks are no more expert than a pornographer on the workings of a womb. All they need is a white coat and a biz card to sit in a witness box and talk shit.

I'd be wincing at the prospect of digging into these 1000's cases and getting credible scientific evidence to prove, one way or other, if this was accurate - suspect there may be some surprises!

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12-02-2005, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by bringer

he's written children books and has changed his life. just ignore the fact he still uses his gang name 'tookie' and guards at san quentin report hes still giving orders for the crips. ignore this too because hes changed!

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tell that to the family members of the 4 dead

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12-02-2005, 02:04 PM

thats a bitch.. the guy was in jail for 17 years before they kill him.. seems like double the punishment
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12-02-2005, 02:31 PM

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The ludicrous thing about the death penalty (if it is actually supposed to be of benefit to the public and not merely a sop to some of their less admirable prejudices) is the cost. In my own state, Kansas, the median cost of death-penalty cases through to execution is more than $1¼ million. The median cost of non death-penalty cases through to the end of imprisonment is less than $750K.

States like Tennessee show a similar picture and in New York it is even worse. The eight capital cases there since the reintroduction of the death penalty (and no-one has actually been executed yet) have cost over $20 million each.

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I don't have any particularly strong feelings against the death penalty, although equally I'm not convinced it really benefits anyone. I do believe that in the US its reintroduction was an entirely cynical political move and that cynicism makes it a barbaric practise here.

Seems you don't need a unanimous verdict in florida. 2 didn't agree with the death sentence passed down today.

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12-02-2005, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by pornstar2pac

tell that to the family members of the 4 dead

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12-02-2005, 03:13 PM

you guys are nuts though...
1-if everyone that kills someone else has to die, do you have any clue how many innocents will be sentenced to death?
2-Killing 4 people is relative to who he killed, under what circumstances, and believe me, he might not be a productive member of our society since he's only dreamt of society from the inside, but 26 yrs X 365 days = 10 000 reasons why he will not hurt another human being, ever.

Some webmasters here have not lived as long as this guy's been in prison. It seems quite easy for you to say "bah, X years, thats nothing, they should've gave him more" and let me state the case of the "cool mom" sentenced to 30 years. the bitch was 47 so she's basically sentenced to finish her days in prison. I dont think you guys take the time to put yourself into the con's shoes.

Let the flaming begin. Please refrain from stating the victims families as an argument, I have already put that into consideration. Peace.
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12-02-2005, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by J-$

you guys are nuts though...
1-if everyone that kills someone else has to die, do you have any clue how many innocents will be sentenced to death?
2-Killing 4 people is relative to who he killed, under what circumstances, and believe me, he might not be a productive member of our society since he's only dreamt of society from the inside, but 26 yrs X 365 days = 10 000 reasons why he will not hurt another human being, ever.

Some webmasters here have not lived as long as this guy's been in prison. It seems quite easy for you to say "bah, X years, thats nothing, they should've gave him more" and let me state the case of the "cool mom" sentenced to 30 years. the bitch was 47 so she's basically sentenced to finish her days in prison. I dont think you guys take the time to put yourself into the con's shoes.

Let the flaming begin. Please refrain from stating the victims families as an argument, I have already put that into consideration. Peace.

so if "tookie" killed your mom or sister(if you have one) you would want him to live?

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12-02-2005, 03:34 PM

lol you did not read my entire post did you?
Funny coming from a guy labelled 2pac, considering he was either living/representing the street lifestyle. You sometimes do stupid shit under the influence of chemical drugs when you are young, dumb and careless.. WTF do you expect him to do, bring back the dead? He's had more than enough time to regret it, and then again, what will killing him change, except save taxes. Plus, you put aside all circomstances; I doubt anyone that had to do business with the Crips was a Saint. Let's say tomorrow morning I kill a drunk wife-beating junky who owes me 10Gs, am I a threat to society, no, I am a threat to the vermin of society. If there were no demand for drugs, then supply wouldn't be justified. This does not apply to all cases, not even close to most cases. But you people seem to think it's nothing to have no future and spend "just 26 years" in a fuckin' can. Get real.
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12-02-2005, 03:36 PM

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lol you did not read my entire post did you?
Funny coming from a guy labelled 2pac, considering he was either living/representing the street lifestyle. You sometimes do stupid shit under the influence of chemical drugs when you are young, dumb and careless.. WTF do you expect him to do, bring back the dead? He's had more than enough time to regret it, and then again, what will killing him change, except save taxes. Plus, you put aside all circomstances; I doubt anyone that had to do business with the Crips was a Saint. Let's say tomorrow morning I kill a drunk wife-beating junky who owes me 10Gs, am I a threat to society, no, I am a threat to the vermin of society. If there were no demand for drugs, then supply wouldn't be justified. This does not apply to all cases, not even close to most cases. But you people seem to think it's nothing to have no future and spend "just 26 years" in a fuckin' can. Get real.
26 X 365 Why do you think there is such a high suicide rate amongst prisoners.

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12-02-2005, 03:36 PM

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12-02-2005, 03:38 PM

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12-02-2005, 03:38 PM

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lol you did not read my entire post did you?
Funny coming from a guy labelled 2pac, considering he was either living/representing the street lifestyle. You sometimes do stupid shit under the influence of chemical drugs when you are young, dumb and careless.. WTF do you expect him to do, bring back the dead? He's had more than enough time to regret it, and then again, what will killing him change, except save taxes. Plus, you put aside all circomstances; I doubt anyone that had to do business with the Crips was a Saint. Let's say tomorrow morning I kill a drunk wife-beating junky who owes me 10Gs, am I a threat to society, no, I am a threat to the vermin of society. If there were no demand for drugs, then supply wouldn't be justified. This does not apply to all cases, not even close to most cases. But you people seem to think it's nothing to have no future and spend "just 26 years" in a fuckin' can. Get real.
26 X 365 Why do you think there is such a high suicide rate amongst prisoners.

I read your post just fine.

I asked you if "tookie" killed your mom or sister(if you have one), you would want him to live?

answer the question

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12-02-2005, 03:46 PM

what a surprise. no answer. if he killed your mom like he killed the guywho was working at the 7-11(who was married with two young kids) were he killed him over $150, you would want that fucker dead.

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12-02-2005, 03:47 PM

BTW, tookie shot that guy twice in the back

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12-02-2005, 05:11 PM

too bad the total isnt higher than 1000 : (

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12-03-2005, 12:48 PM

well like i said i was out (once again you did not read my entire post) not mentioning you bring back the same exact point I specified not to mention in the first post. but ill be kind enough to share with you my valuable knowledge. if the 7/11 guy was a fuckin' junkie who owed money, of course his family is still gonna miss him. let's say your mother or sister was sentenced to death, what would you think about the death penalty? same difference. you gotta understand our justice system practices almost perfect abstraction of the circumstances/lifestyle of the victim, and that all is relative. you think all those cons on death row are trigger-happy outcasts who brandish a pistol to ANYBODY they stumble upon? anyways, not trying to say criminals are right.. but perhaps you should reconsider your views - 10 years is enough to kill someone from the inside, and they can't bring back the victims, so what's your point? im not 100% against death penalty; dont get me wrong.
What you need to understand is, anybody on this earth has a family - whoever it is you kill, you can take for granted they have some sort of relatives somewhere - are you implying that we should sentence each and every1 convicted of murder, including self-defense cases?
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