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  • DutchTeenCash
    I like Dutch Girls
    • Feb 2003
    • 21684
    #51
    Originally posted by Chief
    That isn't a very articulate response. Explain to me in all honesty why you don't think the current girl-girl shit never existed in the past?
    So bisexuality or homosexuality never existed in the past?

    Zeus with Ganymede
    Apollo with his numerous male lovers
    Diana and Camilla

    If youve heard of Lesbos a greek island, that was Sappho in the earlier days. Named after a gay poet living there.

    Sorry but the girl-girl thing isnt 5 yrs old. They just made it more public bout one era ago.

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      • DutchTeenCash
        I like Dutch Girls
        • Feb 2003
        • 21684
        #52
        Originally posted by Hey You . . . I Know You!
        Hey dude!

        What about a child being raised by parents of a different race? In your opinion, is that worse than a child being raised by a couple that is gay, or is that equally as bad?
        I was just gonna post that and thought oh well. Glad you did.

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          • BloodFart
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            • Feb 2004
            • 728
            #53
            Originally posted by justsexxx
            So far there are (almost) no gay adoptions. Still there are many gays...How come? Since their parents were heterosexual...
            Priests, uncles, and i'm guessing a few of the homo crusaders in this thread
            Jesus = harry potter 2000 years ago.

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              • Theo
                HAL 9000
                • May 2001
                • 34515
                #54
                Originally posted by Hey You . . . I Know You!
                Hey dude!

                What about a child being raised by parents of a different race? In your opinion, is that worse than a child being raised by a couple that is gay, or is that equally as bad?
                don't pull that racial crap to me, wrong person to do that. ;-)

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                  • DutchTeenCash
                    I like Dutch Girls
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 21684
                    #55
                    ...and to put some oil oil on the fire

                    Even Islam has gayness. Although Muhammed stated gays where bad, his version of paradise was : eductive young boys as well as houris/maidens.

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                      • DutchTeenCash
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                        • Feb 2003
                        • 21684
                        #56
                        Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                        don't pull that racial crap to me, wrong person to do that. ;-)
                        Its as stupid as the gays get gays assumption. Really it is. Its both narrow minded.

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                          • Luc
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                            • Nov 2002
                            • 1130
                            #57
                            Originally posted by damian2001
                            You say that if children see it as normal they will choose to be gay..

                            Did you wake up one morning and think - "well I will have to ignore all my sexual feelings towords the boys at my school because I dont think it is normal"?.
                            no, but when i did wake up in the morning it wasn't to the sound of two men kissing each other or the like. i think that would have changed how i perceive the world as a young child.
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                              • Mefo
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                                • Jun 2002
                                • 6169
                                #58
                                Ehm you don't turn gay because you have 2 dads, it's proven that if you're gay you're born with it.

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                                  • BRISK
                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                    • Feb 2003
                                    • 12240
                                    #59
                                    uh oh, Pediatricians Support Adoption By Gay Partners - LINK

                                    Those stupid doctors! Don't they know that people on some internet message board say that those kids are gonna catch the gay disease!
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                                      • Libertine
                                        sex dwarf
                                        • May 2002
                                        • 17860
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by Chief
                                        But honestly what about the examples of the whole bisexual culture now that means apparently every woman in the world would like to fuck another woman? Do you think it was always that way? Or what about when straight men who even hate homosexuals go to prison and within a few years start raping men up the ass? I am not saying you will turn gay if you are raised by two gay parents, but I think there is quite possibly a greater chance of you being more inclined towards being bisexual atleast.
                                        All women do not want to do other women. Women who have had sexual experiences with other women are about 10-15%, which is about double from what it was several decades ago. A probable reason for this is indeed that contemporary culture is more accepting of it. However, it does not seem unlikely that there's a gap between "experimenting" and actually "being bisexual", and that cultural acceptance has mainly increased experimenting by those who, before, might have been persuaded not to by the social stigma.

                                        As for prison rape... the reason that that seems more prominent than before is likely to be that is was being ignored until recently. Which it was. However, the men in prison likely to rape other men aren't exactly the ones describing themselves as bisexual, or indeed even the ones accepting of bisexuality in others before going to prison.
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                                          • Hey You . . . I Know You!
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                                            • Aug 2004
                                            • 1908
                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                                            you missed my 2nd post, i said to examine this chance after having done with all qualified for adoption male-female couples. At this very given moment even for couples that meet all requirements is not easy to adopt a child.

                                            Well, considering that adoption is a very rare thing, that information doesn't really apply.

                                            Just consider all of the birth parents who (may or may not) attempt to raise their own children. How messed up are all of the "straight" parents you've ever known?

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                                              • Odin
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                                                • Jan 2004
                                                • 2545
                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by thinkx
                                                So bisexuality or homosexuality never existed in the past?

                                                Zeus with Ganymede
                                                Apollo with his numerous male lovers
                                                Diana and Camilla

                                                If youve heard of Lesbos a greek island, that was Sappho in the earlier days. Named after a gay poet living there.

                                                Sorry but the girl-girl thing isnt 5 yrs old. They just made it more public bout one era ago.
                                                Now did I say that bisexuality and homosexuality never existed in the past? You know that wasn't what I was suggesting. But you do bring up one good point, take ancient Greek society for example. Where more men simply born genetically gay or bisexual at that time? Or was the large amount of sam-sex relations simply a result of their environment?

                                                Originally posted by punkworld
                                                All women do not want to do other women. Women who have had sexual experiences with other women are about 10-15%, which is about double from what it was several decades ago. A probable reason for this is indeed that contemporary culture is more accepting of it. However, it does not seem unlikely that there's a gap between "experimenting" and actually "being bisexual", and that cultural acceptance has mainly increased experimenting by those who, before, might have been persuaded not to by the social stigma.

                                                As for prison rape... the reason that that seems more prominent than before is likely to be that is was being ignored until recently. Which it was. However, the men in prison likely to rape other men aren't exactly the ones describing themselves as bisexual, or indeed even the ones accepting of bisexuality in others before going to prison.
                                                And the number will rise from 15% without a doubt based on current trends. You have a point in saying it is one thing to experiment and one thing to actually be bisexual, but I think it is inevitable to accept that with greater experimentation comes greater bisexuality. And regarding prison rape, I wasn't suggesting it had increased recently (I don't know) only that straight men have a tendacy to fuck other men in prison, based on the environment they are. And it is pretty well studied that the more you allow something to please you, the more you associate that act with pleasure.

                                                Now my personal opinion is not that much of caring, I don't see it as a huge epidemic we need to worry about, but at the same time I don't see those who want to stop such things as same-sex adoptions as narrow minded idiots. I only think that there needs to be a serious open-minded discussion on the issue, not some PC police brigade coming in and forcing it on people like they did with multiculturalism and mass-immigration for example. I mean, do we want to end up like Ancient Greece? It is something that needs rational debate.
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                                                  • Theo
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                                                    • May 2001
                                                    • 34515
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by punkworld
                                                    As for prison rape... the reason that that seems more prominent than before is likely to be that is was being ignored until recently. Which it was. However, the men in prison likely to rape other men aren't exactly the ones describing themselves as bisexual, or indeed even the ones accepting of bisexuality in others before going to prison.

                                                    orly? doesnt this translate to environment affecting behavior?

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                                                      • Hey You . . . I Know You!
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                                                        • Aug 2004
                                                        • 1908
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                                                        don't pull that racial crap to me, wrong person to do that. ;-)
                                                        What are you talking about?

                                                        You feel free to discriminate selectively?

                                                        Why so hypocritical?

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                                                          • DutchTeenCash
                                                            I like Dutch Girls
                                                            • Feb 2003
                                                            • 21684
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by Chief
                                                            I mean, do we want to end up like Ancient Greece? It is something that needs rational debate.
                                                            everyone here still thinks being gay is a choice. Like Mefo said its not. Ask anyone whos gays around you and theyll tell theyve always been gay. No matter what parents.

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                                                              • Odin
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                                                                • Jan 2004
                                                                • 2545
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by thinkx
                                                                everyone here still thinks being gay is a choice. Like Mefo said its not. Ask anyone whos gays around you and theyll tell theyve always been gay. No matter what parents.
                                                                I am not saying it is a choice, actually I am saying the opposite, I am saying ENVIRONMENT helps determin sexuality. I mean what other explanation can you offer for the Ancient Greece example? More men were born genetically gay? Stop selectively choosing quotes, and eloquently trying to dodge the question. Tell me why you believe more men were partaking in gay/bisexual relations in Ancient Greece. We can both agree it wasn't their sudden choice to experiment it repeatedly, so what was it? Were more people born genetically gay, or can you accept that environment and social acceptability plays a LARGE role in someones sexuality?
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                                                                  • Theo
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                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                    • 34515
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by Hey You . . . I Know You!
                                                                    What are you talking about?

                                                                    You feel free to discriminate selectively?

                                                                    Why so hypocritical?

                                                                    nothing hypocritical, genre and race are two totally different things.

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                                                                      • Libertine
                                                                        sex dwarf
                                                                        • May 2002
                                                                        • 17860
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                                                                        orly? doesnt this translate to environment affecting behavior?
                                                                        Oh, environment most certainly affects behaviour. (although it can be argued, and indeed has been argued quite convincingly, that peers have a stronger influence on behaviour relating to things such as sexuality than parents)

                                                                        However, there is no logical link between more experimenting and more homosexuality. If a teen experiments with people of the same sex, that won't automatically make him gay - it just means he'll have experimented with people of the same sex.
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                                                                          • Damian_Maxcash
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                                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                                            • 12745
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Originally posted by Chief
                                                                            Now did I say that bisexuality and homosexuality never existed in the past? You know that wasn't what I was suggesting. But you do bring up one good point, take ancient Greek society for example. Where more men simply born genetically gay or bisexual at that time? Or was the large amount of sam-sex relations simply a result of their environment?
                                                                            Its not that there were more or less gays - they just felt less need to stay in the closet.

                                                                            I agree that allowing same sex adoption will equal more OPENLY homosexual men and women - however the number of people who are ACTUALLY homosexual will stay the same.

                                                                            Allowing homosexuals more freedom and equallity just means that more people will feel free to live thier lives happily in a healthy sexual relationship and not live a lie with someone of the "wrong" sex - I cant see what is with that.

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                                                                              • Hey You . . . I Know You!
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                                                                                • Aug 2004
                                                                                • 1908
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by damian2001
                                                                                I agree that allowing same sex adoption will equal more OPENLY homosexual men and women - however the number of people who are ACTUALLY homosexual will stay the same.
                                                                                This was stated nicely.

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                                                                                  • Hey You . . . I Know You!
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                                                                                    • Aug 2004
                                                                                    • 1908
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                                                                                    nothing hypocritical, genre and race are two totally different things.
                                                                                    I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. Please explain.

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                                                                                      • DutchTeenCash
                                                                                        I like Dutch Girls
                                                                                        • Feb 2003
                                                                                        • 21684
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by Chief
                                                                                        I am not saying it is a choice, actually I am saying the opposite, I am saying ENVIRONMENT helps determin sexuality.
                                                                                        You have to be kidding. So with the right envirement there will be zero gays? Is that what youre saying?

                                                                                        Damn this is getting more surreal every second.

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                                                                                          • Theo
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                                                                                            • May 2001
                                                                                            • 34515
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            no offense, but your arguments have started becoming very poor in my eyes. I can't accept that parental behavior and enviroment do not affect or even determine the character and behavior of a child including its sexual preference. If you consider this assumption a discrimination take it as this.

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                                                                                              • hova
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                                                                                                • Jan 2002
                                                                                                • 22430
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                                                                                                it is bad idea because a kid to grow up normally needs both a father and a mother figure.
                                                                                                I must agree with you on this one, and anybody that doesn't is very, very wrong
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                                                                                                  • Theo
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                                                                                                    #75
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                                                                                                      • Damian_Maxcash
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                                                                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                                                                        • 12745
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                                                                                                        no offense, but your arguments have started becoming very poor in my eyes. I can't accept that parental behavior and enviroment do not affect or even determine the character and behavior of a child including its sexual preference. If you consider this assumption a discrimination take it as this.
                                                                                                        I have a friend whos parents are Brethren (?sp) - he is gay - it cant have been his liberal upbringing that 'made' him that way - he didnt even know such a thing existed until he was 15 - he just knew that he was attracted to men.

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                                                                                                          • Odin
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                                                                                                            • Jan 2004
                                                                                                            • 2545
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Originally posted by thinkx
                                                                                                            You have to be kidding. So with the right envirement there will be zero gays? Is that what youre saying?

                                                                                                            Damn this is getting more surreal every second.
                                                                                                            Are you really this stupid? I am starting to wonder. So once again you prove you can not answer a straight forward question, and instead dodge it and accuse me of saying something which I quite clearly have not said. I think this is the 3rd time in this thread you have done this. It is a shame rational debate goes out the window now days, and that people, politicians, news-media, etc feel the need to promote spin instead of honesty. At least punkworld (and I've seen alot of his posts) generally posts based on a rational trains of thought, and answer questions directly and with his honest opinion. More than I can say for you.
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                                                                                                              • Hey You . . . I Know You!
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                                                                                                                • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                • 1908
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Originally posted by punkworld
                                                                                                                Oh, environment most certainly affects behaviour. (although it can be argued, and indeed has been argued quite convincingly, that peers have a stronger influence on behaviour relating to things such as sexuality than parents)

                                                                                                                However, there is no logical link between more experimenting and more homosexuality. If a teen experiments with people of the same sex, that won't automatically make him gay - it just means he'll have experimented with people of the same sex.

                                                                                                                I disagree.

                                                                                                                Peers migh have a stronger influence on sexual behavior (as you stated) but you blur the line between sexual behavior and sexual preference.


                                                                                                                You need to keep clear the difference.


                                                                                                                One point I do disagree with - If a "teen" experiments with people of the same sex, well that seems like a exploration of homosexual tendencies. This difference in opinion could hinge solely on your definition of "exploration."

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                                                                                                                  • DutchTeenCash
                                                                                                                    I like Dutch Girls
                                                                                                                    • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                    • 21684
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Chief
                                                                                                                    Are you really this stupid? I am starting to wonder. So once again you prove you can not answer a straight forward question, and instead dodge it and accuse me of saying something which I quite clearly have not said. I think this is the 3rd time in this thread you have done this. It is a shame rational debate goes out the window now days, and that people, politicians, news-media, etc feel the need to promote spin instead of honesty. At least punkworld (and I've seen alot of his posts) generally posts based on a rational trains of thought, and answer questions directly and with his honest opinion. More than I can say for you.
                                                                                                                    This is what you said

                                                                                                                    I am saying ENVIRONMENT helps determin sexuality.
                                                                                                                    So help me out. What determins sexuality? Geo location? Food? Political preference? Race? Those are all enviromental integers.

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                                                                                                                      • Hey You . . . I Know You!
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                                                                                                                        • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                        • 1908
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel
                                                                                                                        it is bad idea because a kid to grow up normally needs both a father and a mother figure.

                                                                                                                        Originally posted by hova
                                                                                                                        I must agree with you on this one, and anybody that doesn't is very, very wrong
                                                                                                                        You can't be serious. In fact, it appears now that you are just joking around and you are now posting simply to raise your post count.

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                                                                                                                          • Odin
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                                                                                                                            • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                            • 2545
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by thinkx
                                                                                                                            This is what you said



                                                                                                                            So help me out. What determins sexuality? Geo location? Food? Political preference? Race? Those are all enviromental integers.
                                                                                                                            I think you should answer my questions first don't you? . How about you start with this one :

                                                                                                                            Tell me why you believe more men were partaking in gay/bisexual relations in Ancient Greece. We can both agree it wasn't their sudden choice to experiment it repeatedly, so what was it? Were more people born genetically gay, or can you accept that environment and social acceptability plays a LARGE role in someones sexuality?

                                                                                                                            Hell the answer to your question is basically in there.
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                                                                                                                              • Hey You . . . I Know You!
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                                                                                                                                • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                • 1908
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Chief
                                                                                                                                I think you should answer my questions first don't you? . How about you start with this one :

                                                                                                                                Tell me why you believe more men were partaking in gay/bisexual relations in Ancient Greece. We can both agree it wasn't their sudden choice to experiment it repeatedly, so what was it? Were more people born genetically gay, or can you accept that environment and social acceptability plays a LARGE role in someones sexuality?

                                                                                                                                Hell the answer to your question is basically in there.

                                                                                                                                Oh come on. You can't be as dense as this post makes you appear.

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                                                                                                                                  • DutchTeenCash
                                                                                                                                    I like Dutch Girls
                                                                                                                                    • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                    • 21684
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Chief
                                                                                                                                    I think you should answer my questions first don't you? . How about you start with this one :

                                                                                                                                    Tell me why you believe more men were partaking in gay/bisexual relations in Ancient Greece. We can both agree it wasn't their sudden choice to experiment it repeatedly, so what was it? Were more people born genetically gay, or can you accept that environment and social acceptability plays a LARGE role in someones sexuality?

                                                                                                                                    Hell the answer to your question is basically in there.
                                                                                                                                    I wasnt there and since its long ago proofing that is almost impossible.

                                                                                                                                    I just love to know whats that LARGE role. Cause imho youre just too chicken shit to just admit you think 2 gays get gay kids and gradually add all kinda enviromental shit.

                                                                                                                                    So whats that then? What enviromental issue - apart from getting raised by gays - makes ppl easier tend to be gay? Id love to know.

                                                                                                                                    Like I said imho youre just BS and hiding the fact you think one sole issue provides gay ppl : getting raised by gays. And cause thats never proven and never will be, youre adding all kinda shit.

                                                                                                                                    And thats pathetic.

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                                                                                                                                      • DutchTeenCash
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                                                                                                                                        • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                        • 21684
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Chief:

                                                                                                                                        Its sad to see how some ppl create issues that arent there. Like I said we had that before in history. Youre creating a hoax thats not there. But because YOU think were in the puddle of mud in 50 yrs YOU think its better that gays cant adopt.

                                                                                                                                        You seem to forget one thing : everyones the same. Black white catholic muslim gay straight.

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                                                                                                                                          • Odin
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                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by thinkx
                                                                                                                                            I wasnt there and since its long ago proofing that is almost impossible.

                                                                                                                                            I just love to know whats that LARGE role. Cause imho youre just too chicken shit to just admit you think 2 gays get gay kids and gradually add all kinda enviromental shit.

                                                                                                                                            So whats that then? What enviromental issue - apart from getting raised by gays - makes ppl easier tend to be gay? Id love to know.

                                                                                                                                            Like I said imho youre just BS and hiding the fact you think one sole issue provides gay ppl : getting raised by gays. And cause thats never proven and never will be, youre adding all kinda shit.

                                                                                                                                            And thats pathetic.
                                                                                                                                            Well the social acceptability of homosexuality for one is what will largely lead to greater experimentation and inevitabily greater homosexuality. I used the girl-girl thing as an example, it will be no different with men once it is established that homosexuality is a perfectly great thing. Don't get me wrong, I don't care for it so much, but I honestly feel if it is pushed on society like the girl-girl thing has than the effects will be inevitable.

                                                                                                                                            But your killing me here man, there is a perfect example already of this exact thing happening in Ancient Greece, but you just refuse to admit it even happened. Anyway I'm done for the night, I don't need to convice you of what I believe, because it is impossible, but I think it is pretty evident to most rational people reading this thread that your posts have little to no substance.

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                                                                                                                                              • Hey You . . . I Know You!
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                                                                                                                                                • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                                • 1908
                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                Let me help you understand the problem with your logic.



                                                                                                                                                Could you please tell me why all of the "fairy tale" stories (you grew up with) did not contain "black" people? Was it because "black" people didn't exist at that time???

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                                                                                                                                                  • DutchTeenCash
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                                                                                                                                                    • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                                    • 21684
                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Chief
                                                                                                                                                    Well the social acceptability of homosexuality for one is what will largely lead to greater experimentation and inevitabily greater homosexuality.
                                                                                                                                                    You should read a book bout Ausrottung. There will be lotsa issues there youll agree with.

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                                                                                                                                                      • DutchTeenCash
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                                                                                                                                                        • Feb 2003
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                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Hey You . . . I Know You!
                                                                                                                                                        Let me help you understand the problem with your logic.



                                                                                                                                                        Could you please tell me why all of the "fairy tale" stories (you grew up with) did not contain "black" people? Was it because "black" people didn't exist at that time???
                                                                                                                                                        This guy lives in his own world. A weird rcaist one. Ill make sure to put him on the not to do biz with list.

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                                                                                                                                                          • Libertine
                                                                                                                                                            sex dwarf
                                                                                                                                                            • May 2002
                                                                                                                                                            • 17860
                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                                                                                                                                                            no offense, but your arguments have started becoming very poor in my eyes. I can't accept that parental behavior and enviroment do not affect or even determine the character and behavior of a child including its sexual preference. If you consider this assumption a discrimination take it as this.
                                                                                                                                                            And here is the flaw in your thinking: You "can't accept", and therefore "assume" that your intuitions are correct. You aren't interested in facts, studies, research - nothing can convince you. If God descended down upon the earth and exclaimed "Gay parents can raise children just as well as straight parents", you still wouldn't believe it.

                                                                                                                                                            Sorry, but you are completely irrational in your refusal to accept any proof of your common sense convictions being wrong.
                                                                                                                                                            /(bb|[^b]{2})/

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                                                                                                                                                              • Screaming
                                                                                                                                                                I can change this!!!!!
                                                                                                                                                                • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                                                                • 18972
                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                I love the usa lol.

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                                                                                                                                                                  • Theo
                                                                                                                                                                    HAL 9000
                                                                                                                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                                                                                                                    • 34515
                                                                                                                                                                    #91
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by punkworld
                                                                                                                                                                    And here is the flaw in your thinking: You "can't accept", and therefore "assume" that your intuitions are correct. You aren't interested in facts, studies, research - nothing can convince you. If God descended down upon the earth and exclaimed "Gay parents can raise children just as well as straight parents", you still wouldn't believe it.

                                                                                                                                                                    Sorry, but you are completely irrational in your refusal to accept any proof of your common sense convictions being wrong.

                                                                                                                                                                    which God? are you gonna pull me now a study that exists? ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                    I'm ignorant, but you aint any better.

                                                                                                                                                                    Do you agree with the following? Simple yes or no:

                                                                                                                                                                    parental behavior and enviroment do NOT affect or even determine the character and behavior of a child including its sexual preference.

                                                                                                                                                                    If you answer yes I can take it as granted for a series of factors from hostile, agressive, abusive enviroment to caring, educating and so on...none of these affect a child. That bastard DNA is so strong

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                                                                                                                                                                      • Libertine
                                                                                                                                                                        sex dwarf
                                                                                                                                                                        • May 2002
                                                                                                                                                                        • 17860
                                                                                                                                                                        #92
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Chief
                                                                                                                                                                        Well the social acceptability of homosexuality for one is what will largely lead to greater experimentation and inevitabily greater homosexuality.
                                                                                                                                                                        The idea that experimentation leads to homosexuality is laughable. People experiment because they are curious and because they aren't afraid to. However, making them afraid to experiment will not lessen their curiosity. Oppressing curiosity does not keep people straight.


                                                                                                                                                                        By the way, your example of ancient Greece is a very bad one. Full-blown homosexuality (rather than the older man/younger man combination, with teacher/student elements and rarely any actual penetration, which was considered bad because it would make boys more feminine) was actually heavily frowned upon, and it wasn't all too prevalent, at least not visibly.
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Odin
                                                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                            • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                                                            • 2545
                                                                                                                                                                            #93
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by thinkx
                                                                                                                                                                            This guy lives in his own world. A weird rcaist one. Ill make sure to put him on the not to do biz with list.
                                                                                                                                                                            You honestly think I'd do biz with you? lol. Hell who the fuck would promote 'blackberry brittany' to begin with. The girl is hot, and I love hot teens, but you fucking ruined the whole image and market your selling to with that pathetic ass blackberry tour. It kind of makes me laugh though, so I guess the money you wasted on the designer was kind of worth it.
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                                                                                                                                                                              • Gunni
                                                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                • Apr 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                • 2385
                                                                                                                                                                                #94
                                                                                                                                                                                who gives a fuck if kids raised by gay parents become gay?

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Theo
                                                                                                                                                                                    HAL 9000
                                                                                                                                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 34515
                                                                                                                                                                                    #95
                                                                                                                                                                                    any gay/lesbian people to say their opinion here? Anyone interested to adopt a child under a given legal frame?

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Damian_Maxcash
                                                                                                                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 12745
                                                                                                                                                                                        #96
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                                                                                                                                                                                        which God? are you gonna pull me now a study that exists? ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm ignorant, but you aint any better.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Do you agree with the following? Simple yes or no:

                                                                                                                                                                                        parental behavior and enviroment do NOT affect or even determine the character and behavior of a child including its sexual preference.

                                                                                                                                                                                        If you answer yes I can take it as granted for a series of factors from hostile, agressive, abusive enviroment to caring, educating and so on...none of these affect a child. That bastard DNA is so strong
                                                                                                                                                                                        This argument comes down to one question - Nature or Nurture?

                                                                                                                                                                                        It has been proven again and again that it is nature NOT nurture that determins our sexuality.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Google "twin studies homosexuality".

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • mardigras
                                                                                                                                                                                            Bon temps!
                                                                                                                                                                                            • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 14194
                                                                                                                                                                                            #97
                                                                                                                                                                                            Sexual preference = Blonde hair, big butts, etc...

                                                                                                                                                                                            Sexual orientation = gay, straight, bi...

                                                                                                                                                                                            BIG difference if you are going to argue the facts.
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • mardigras
                                                                                                                                                                                                Bon temps!
                                                                                                                                                                                                • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 14194
                                                                                                                                                                                                #98
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                                                                                                                                                                                                any gay/lesbian people to say their opinion here? Anyone interested to adopt a child under a given legal frame?
                                                                                                                                                                                                My opinion is that there is a lot of ignorance in this thread and there is no sense in arguing with those who's biases are set in stone...

                                                                                                                                                                                                No, I have no desire to adopt children.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Hey You . . . I Know You!
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 1908
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by damian2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                    This argument comes down to one question - Nature or Nurture?

                                                                                                                                                                                                    It has been proven again and again that it is nature NOT nurture that determins our sexuality.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Google "twin studies homosexuality".


                                                                                                                                                                                                    I disagree!

                                                                                                                                                                                                    There were a lot of gay people in ancient Greece. This proves that humans choose which sex they are attracted to.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    booya!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Theo
                                                                                                                                                                                                        HAL 9000
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • May 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 34515
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #100
                                                                                                                                                                                                        even if so this doesnt replies to my initial statement that a child needs both a male and female parent because it will receive different things from each one of them. It was false thing to say "grow normally", but at least to some degree I think you should see what I try to say. It has nothing to do with gay civil rights, with discrimination, with me being less liberal than you (Which overall i doubt). It has to do with genres having different roles in childhood a single one more likely is not enough.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        nough for today. work break is over.

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