It's funny how no one talks about Kobe Bryant but yet he has 3 championship rings under his belt. He is half way home compared to jordan in rings, recognize people recognize.
I think there is no comparison to Lebron. To be honest, he has skills of all the greats. He's bigger than Jordan and can play the foward spot. Jordan could never have done that. He passes and has vision like Magic, he can hit clutch 3 pointers like Reggie Miller, he can dominate a game and take it over, he can make all the players around him better. I truly think he is the best all around basketball player to ever play. I think over the years, he will break all kinds of records and most importantly lead his team to titles.
Agreed .... look at the Fakers now. They got Kobe and Phil and they SUCK. No one player makes a team .... its a group of guys that have chemistry .. like the Pistons. No crazy standout player there, but just a bunch of good players that all work well together like a well oiled machine.
The cavs have that same chemistry. Just watch and see what they do over the next few years.
disagree- lebron has talent but the killer instinct is just not there with him. he lacks the clutch drive in the lane to win and opts for the long 3 too often.
wishful thinking at best --- sorry to burst your bubble as i am sure you just got done with lebron on tivo lol
He HAS the killer instinct for sure. Lacks the clutch drive to the lane? What? Have we been watching the same games. I have the basketball package and watch almost all their games. This year was when he got his 3 point game together and thats why no one can guard him now. He can drive to the whole and finish while getting fouled or step back and drop a 3.
I even talked to Yoda and he agrees ... Lebron is a Jedi Master.
I can still see the play in my head over and over again-
I was at OSU with all my frat bros from Detroit and I never heard the end of it- it still makes me cry seeing Jordan hit that jumper
:-((
Thanks Ramos I am now going to shave my ass and squat in a bowl of gin...
Jordan wasn't alone either he had pippen(was considered 2nd best player in the nba during jordan's career)
Key words: DURING JORDAN'S CAREER!
In other words.. he was good cuz he had jordan LOL
Whatever man.. Look at facts.. Look at the Lakers with Shaq and look at them now..
How can Kobe be THAT good when the same team that went to the playoffs.. with D wade .. get traded to LA and then Kobe who u are saying is better than Dwayne.. takes his place ( dwayne's ) yet the lakers suck ass! LOL
The facts speak for themselves.. kobe is talented and very good one on one scorer.. he sucks cock as a baller! Fuck kobe!
Dont even put kobe in the same level as lebron and dwayne!
No fucking way... I remember that back in 1996 when Kobe came out, they were saying the same fucking shit!.. Is he Jordan ? Has he accomplished what Jordad did? Not even close!!
Lebron is REAL good.. but never will he get to be jordan or even same cloud.
You should buy/watch come fly with me.. to refresh your memory! There is nobody like jordan...
At least down here we have a ghetto version.. he goes by the name of D. Wade !!!
D. Wade is better than LeBron and Carmelo IMO because not only can he take over a game but he makes the other players on the team better because of his ball handling and passing.
Watch out for the Heat once Shaq comes back.
D. Wade is better than LeBron and Carmelo IMO because not only can he take over a game but he makes the other players on the team better because of his ball handling and passing.
Watch out for the Heat once Shaq comes back.
I didnt want to say that cuz im from Miami.. so Im biased.. but can u imagine with a healthy shaq and zo playing like he is playing!!!
That was nasty but Zo leads the league in blocked shots and shot blockers are going to get dunked on.
And the fact Zo is even playing at this kind of level is a miracle considering he had a kidney transplant.
What the hell is this shit Michael Jordan would be mad as a mother fucker if he saw this! are u serious na never that big up to all my south side hustlers in the chi town fuck ohio never will there be another M.J .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .....................................
In other words.. he was good cuz he had jordan LOL
Whatever man.. Look at facts.. Look at the Lakers with Shaq and look at them now..
How can Kobe be THAT good when the same team that went to the playoffs.. with D wade .. get traded to LA and then Kobe who u are saying is better than Dwayne.. takes his place ( dwayne's ) yet the lakers suck ass! LOL
The facts speak for themselves.. kobe is talented and very good one on one scorer.. he sucks cock as a baller! Fuck kobe!
Dont even put kobe in the same level as lebron and dwayne!
100% agree with ya. Kobe should be playing in that street ball league, not the NBA. He is a one man show and not a team player. D Wade is 10x the better player. You need more than point scoring to be the best.
What the hell is this shit Michael Jordan would be mad as a mother fucker if he saw this! are u serious na never that big up to all my south side hustlers in the chi town fuck ohio never will there be another M.J .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .....................................
Just wanted to point that out so you all can enjoy the next 15 years of his basketball career paying attention to his greatness.
He's only 20 years old and he's setting all kinds of records for a guy only starting his 3rd year in basketball, straight from high school.
I'm also from Cleveland, so yes, I'm a little biased. When Jordan played, I made sure I watched every game of his, he knew how to take over a game and win. LeBron is starting to do the things Jordan did later in his career. He's driving to the hoop, drawing major fouls, hitting all kinds of jumpers and 3 pointers including the big shots needed in crunch time.
So pay attention if you see him play on TV.
The Cavs will make the Playoffs this year and maybe advance to the second round or better.
And, he will win MVP this year.
It's easy to set records if your the only one on your team that gets the ball.
Koby = way better.
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It's funny how no one talks about Kobe Bryant but yet he has 3 championship rings under his belt. He is half way home compared to jordan in rings, recognize people recognize.
See how many his selfish ass wins now Shaq is gone. Donut. Zero and he never will. Kobe does nothing to make the players around him better like Jordan did. Scottie Pippen wouldn't have been half the player he was without Mike. And remember, the Bulls really didn't have a top notch center. Luc Longley, Bill Cartwright. Please!
In other words.. he was good cuz he had jordan LOL
Whatever man.. Look at facts.. Look at the Lakers with Shaq and look at them now..
How can Kobe be THAT good when the same team that went to the playoffs.. with D wade .. get traded to LA and then Kobe who u are saying is better than Dwayne.. takes his place ( dwayne's ) yet the lakers suck ass! LOL
The facts speak for themselves.. kobe is talented and very good one on one scorer.. he sucks cock as a baller! Fuck kobe!
Dont even put kobe in the same level as lebron and dwayne!
Cant argue with ignorance, If you think D wayne is better than kobe you are smoking that good shit, common what has he done in the nba, nothing. Dude dont ever say that again.
See how many his selfish ass wins now Shaq is gone. Donut. Zero and he never will. Kobe does nothing to make the players around him better like Jordan did. Scottie Pippen wouldn't have been half the player he was without Mike. And remember, the Bulls really didn't have a top notch center. Luc Longley, Bill Cartwright. Please!
Your right about the center position but dont forget about rodman, one of the strongest rebounders in the game ever.
No one compares to Jordan and no one ever will. But no one will ever be the next Magic, or Bird, or Dr. J or Chamberlin, but Lebron will be classified as one of the best with all those top names.
The thing about Lebron is that he has a lot of talents. He is kinda a combination of a lot of good players. Thats what makes him no unique. Top scorer, rebounder, crazy vision and assists, 3 point threat, and most important, he knows how to get the other players on his team involved.
Right now, Lebron is the BEST over all player in the league ..... there is no doubt about it.
No one compares to Jordan and no one ever will. But no one will ever be the next Magic, or Bird, or Dr. J or Chamberlin, but Lebron will be classified as one of the best with all those top names.
The thing about Lebron is that he has a lot of talents. He is kinda a combination of a lot of good players. Thats what makes him no unique. Top scorer, rebounder, crazy vision and assists, 3 point threat, and most important, he knows how to get the other players on his team involved.
Right now, Lebron is the BEST over all player in the league ..... there is no doubt about it.
Good point about no one compares to jordan or magic or bird
I didnt want to say that cuz im from Miami.. so Im biased.. but can u imagine with a healthy shaq and zo playing like he is playing!!!
I just moved out here from Fort Lauderdale and I'm a huge Heat fan. I went to the home opener against the Pacers when Shaq got injured.
They're gonna be fine once J. Will, Posey and Walker all get in synch with the rest of the team. And Zo coming off the bench when Shaq is back. Oh my!
Cant argue with ignorance, If you think D wayne is better than kobe you are smoking that good shit, common what has he done in the nba, nothing. Dude dont ever say that again.
Again... we are talking facts.. What has kobe done ? Won championships.. please! He would have never passed the first round w/o Shaq! Actually HE DID NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS WITHOUT SHAQ
Tell me what has kobe done? How much better have his teams been since he's been playing? How many MVP has he won? Even what he is only good at.. scoring, how many scoring titles?
Punk! Kobe aint shit! bitch!
Even better.. just look up match ups.. Check the games where kobe and wade have played against each other.. look at the records and look at stats!!
Again... we are talking facts.. What has kobe done ? Won championships.. please! He would have never passed the first round w/o Shaq! Actually HE DID NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS WITHOUT SHAQ
Tell me what has kobe done? How much better have his teams been since he's been playing? How many MVP has he won? Even what he is only good at.. scoring, how many scoring titles?
Punk! Kobe aint shit! bitch!
Even better.. just look up match ups.. Check the games where kobe and wade have played against each other.. look at the records and look at stats!!
And just in case.. This xmas.. we'll see it !!
Let's see: In Wade's rookie season, they went to the second round of the playoffs--without Shaq btw. And in his second season, he and the Heat went to the Eastern Conference finals, playing with an injury as was Shaq.
Hey Kobe,
This thread is saturated with people who THINK they know basketball. Lebron will never come anywhere close to breaking the amount of records that Michael Jordan has.
Read and Learn:
Five-time NBA Most Valuable Player (1987-88, 1990-91, 1991-92, 1995-96, 1997-98)
Ten-time All-NBA First Team selection (1986-87 to 1992-93, 1995-96 to 1997-98)
Selected in 1996 as one of the "50 Greatest Players in NBA History"
A member of six Chicago Bulls NBA championship teams (1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93, 1995-96, 1996-97 and 1997-98)
Six-time NBA Finals Most Valuable Player
The 1987-88 NBA Defensive Player of the Year and record nine-time NBA All-Defensive First Team selection (1987-88 to 1992-93, 1995-96 to 1997-98)
Entering 2002-03, ranked first in NBA history in scoring average (31.0 ppg), second in steals (2,391), fourth in points (30,652) and in field-goals made (11,513), fifth in free-throws made (7,061), sixth in field-goals attempted (23,010) and eighth in free-throws attempted (8,448)
Closed the 1997-98 season as the Bulls' all-time franchise leader in points, rebounds (5,836), assists (5,012), steals, games (930), field-goals made and attempted and free-throws made and attempted (8,115)
Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading the league in scoring (10)
Shares the NBA record with Wilt Chamberlain for most consecutive seasons leading the league in scoring (seven, 1986-87 to 1992-93)
Holds the NBA record for most consecutive games scoring in double-digits (842)
Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading the league in field-goals made (10) and attempted (10)
Led the NBA in steals in 1987-88 (3.16 spg), 1989-90 (2.77 spg) and 1992-93 (2.83 spg)
Holds the NBA single-game records for most free-throws made in one half (20 against the Miami Heat on 12/30/92) and most most free-throws attempted in one half (23 in the same game)
Shares the NBA single-game records for most free-throws made in one quarter (14 against the Utah Jazz on 11/15/89 and against the Miami Heat on 12/30/92) and most free-throws attempted in one quarter (23 against the Miami Heat on 12/30/92)
Holds the NBA Finals record for highest single-series scoring average (41.0 ppg in 1993)
Entering the 2002-03 season, ranks as the all-time NBA Finals leader in three-pointers made (42), second in three-point attempts (114), third in points (1,176), fourth in steals (62), fifth in field-goals made (438), sixth in assists (209) and free-throws made (258), seventh in field-goals attempted (911) and eighth in free-throws attempted (320)
Holds the NBA Playoffs record for highest career scoring average (33.4 ppg)
Established an NBA Playoffs record with 63 points against the Boston Celtics on 5/20/86
Entering the 2002-03 season ranks as the all-time NBA Playoffs leader in field-goals attempted (4,497), free-throws made (1,463) and attempted (1,766), second in steals (376) and field-goals made (2,188), fifth in assists (1,022), seventh in three-point attempts (446) and ninth in three-pointers made (148)
Recorded two playoff career triple-doubles, both against the New York Knicks (5/9/89 and 6/2/93)
Participated in 13 NBA All-Star Games (1985, 1987-1993, 1996-98, 2002-03), starting 13 times, and missed another due to injury
Named the MVP of the 1988, 1996 and 1998 NBA All-Star Games
All-time NBA All-Star Game leader in steals (35) and ranks second in field-goal attempts (206), third in points (242), fourth in scoring average (20.2 ppg), and eighth in assists (52)
Notched the first triple-double in All-Star Game history, with 14 points, 11 rebounds and 11 assists, in the 1997 NBA All-Star Game in Cleveland
Won the Slam Dunk Contest in 1987 and 1988, also participating in 1985
Notched his 28th career triple-double, with 30 points, 11 rebounds and 10 assists, against the Toronto Raptors on 4/14/97
Returned from retirement against the Indiana Pacers on 3/19/95 and posted 19 points, six rebounds, six assists and three steals in 43 minutes
Remember Jordan went to college and STILL had this type of impact on the game. Lebron didn't go to college so he has a head start and he STILL wont even come to close. If you think he is the next Jordan, that man has a lot of work to do. Jordan broke A LOT of his records in the playoffs!
Also remember that the NBA today is different from the NBA of yesterday. Jordan went through Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Isaiah Thomas and all the other greats of that time to get his championships. He's played with and beat the best.
Lebron is good but he aint that good.
If anyone will come close, it will be Duane Wayde.
However, I think you can compare him to another Bull... Scottie Pippen. Lebron will be better than Pippen, but only in the sense that he'll get 7-10 more points a game and be the go to guy. Overall skills wise I don't think he'll top Pippen though.
I don't see anybody currently in the NBA who can fill Jordan's shoes within the next decade.
It's funny how no one talks about Kobe Bryant but yet he has 3 championship rings under his belt. He is half way home compared to jordan in rings, recognize people recognize.
Have to start by saying up front I am a Kobe Hater. His punk ass needs to give those rings back. He is the most overated player in the NBA. Man felt good to get that off my chest.
D$ keep C-town alive with me bro.
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This thread is saturated with people who THINK they know basketball. Lebron will never come anywhere close to breaking the amount of records that Michael Jordan has.
Read and Learn:
Five-time NBA Most Valuable Player (1987-88, 1990-91, 1991-92, 1995-96, 1997-98)
Ten-time All-NBA First Team selection (1986-87 to 1992-93, 1995-96 to 1997-98)
Selected in 1996 as one of the "50 Greatest Players in NBA History"
A member of six Chicago Bulls NBA championship teams (1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93, 1995-96, 1996-97 and 1997-98)
Six-time NBA Finals Most Valuable Player
The 1987-88 NBA Defensive Player of the Year and record nine-time NBA All-Defensive First Team selection (1987-88 to 1992-93, 1995-96 to 1997-98)
Entering 2002-03, ranked first in NBA history in scoring average (31.0 ppg), second in steals (2,391), fourth in points (30,652) and in field-goals made (11,513), fifth in free-throws made (7,061), sixth in field-goals attempted (23,010) and eighth in free-throws attempted (8,448)
Closed the 1997-98 season as the Bulls' all-time franchise leader in points, rebounds (5,836), assists (5,012), steals, games (930), field-goals made and attempted and free-throws made and attempted (8,115)
Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading the league in scoring (10)
Shares the NBA record with Wilt Chamberlain for most consecutive seasons leading the league in scoring (seven, 1986-87 to 1992-93)
Holds the NBA record for most consecutive games scoring in double-digits (842)
Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading the league in field-goals made (10) and attempted (10)
Led the NBA in steals in 1987-88 (3.16 spg), 1989-90 (2.77 spg) and 1992-93 (2.83 spg)
Holds the NBA single-game records for most free-throws made in one half (20 against the Miami Heat on 12/30/92) and most most free-throws attempted in one half (23 in the same game)
Shares the NBA single-game records for most free-throws made in one quarter (14 against the Utah Jazz on 11/15/89 and against the Miami Heat on 12/30/92) and most free-throws attempted in one quarter (23 against the Miami Heat on 12/30/92)
Holds the NBA Finals record for highest single-series scoring average (41.0 ppg in 1993)
Entering the 2002-03 season, ranks as the all-time NBA Finals leader in three-pointers made (42), second in three-point attempts (114), third in points (1,176), fourth in steals (62), fifth in field-goals made (438), sixth in assists (209) and free-throws made (258), seventh in field-goals attempted (911) and eighth in free-throws attempted (320)
Holds the NBA Playoffs record for highest career scoring average (33.4 ppg)
Established an NBA Playoffs record with 63 points against the Boston Celtics on 5/20/86
Entering the 2002-03 season ranks as the all-time NBA Playoffs leader in field-goals attempted (4,497), free-throws made (1,463) and attempted (1,766), second in steals (376) and field-goals made (2,188), fifth in assists (1,022), seventh in three-point attempts (446) and ninth in three-pointers made (148)
Recorded two playoff career triple-doubles, both against the New York Knicks (5/9/89 and 6/2/93)
Participated in 13 NBA All-Star Games (1985, 1987-1993, 1996-98, 2002-03), starting 13 times, and missed another due to injury
Named the MVP of the 1988, 1996 and 1998 NBA All-Star Games
All-time NBA All-Star Game leader in steals (35) and ranks second in field-goal attempts (206), third in points (242), fourth in scoring average (20.2 ppg), and eighth in assists (52)
Notched the first triple-double in All-Star Game history, with 14 points, 11 rebounds and 11 assists, in the 1997 NBA All-Star Game in Cleveland
Won the Slam Dunk Contest in 1987 and 1988, also participating in 1985
Notched his 28th career triple-double, with 30 points, 11 rebounds and 10 assists, against the Toronto Raptors on 4/14/97
Returned from retirement against the Indiana Pacers on 3/19/95 and posted 19 points, six rebounds, six assists and three steals in 43 minutes
Remember Jordan went to college and STILL had this type of impact on the game. Lebron didn't go to college so he has a head start and he STILL wont even come to close. If you think he is the next Jordan, that man has a lot of work to do. Jordan broke A LOT of his records in the playoffs!
Also remember that the NBA today is different from the NBA of yesterday. Jordan went through Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Isaiah Thomas and all the other greats of that time to get his championships. He's played with and beat the best.
Lebron is good but he aint that good.
If anyone will come close, it will be Duane Wayde.
D-Money, we know you're sorry and will never make the mistake of making a thread like this again
D-Money, we know you're sorry and will never make the mistake of making a thread like this again
LOL
I just felt like getting mad views. Didn't know people were so passionate about this topic.
But I will still say, if anyone has the ability to do it, it's LeBron. All those stats you pull out on Jordan, well of course, he's Jordan and LeBron has many years ahead of him to live up to my projection. So let's not jump on the "D$ don't know shit about basketball wagon". The only way I can prove my statement to be correct will take years. So to say I'm wrong, you'll have to wait and see. I'm not wrong yet and I'm not right yet either.
You guys need to specify what it is you are comparing. Are you talking about raw talent, or someone who makes his team better and makes them win. If you compare VC, Kobe, Dwade and Lebron, you'd have to give raw abilities/talent to either Kobe or Vince Carter, and if you want to argue this, see Vince's games, or his dunk contests, or kobe's games. In terms of making his team better, Lebron and DWade get that, but I can't see which of the two are better, because they are both doing good things. Whoever said this was right, Lebron will reach his potential quickly, and it won't be in the same ballpark as Michael Jordan. In terms of excitement, I still think TMAC or VC or Kobe or Iverson, are the best and most exciting players in the game, followed by Lebron. There's a LOT of guys you people fail to mention in terms of building a legacy or being amazing, just because of all the stupid Lebron hype. I will not be surprised if Lebron doesn't win a ring during his entire career.
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