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11-30-2005, 12:54 PM

Registered a domain at godaddy a couple days ago, and setup the nameservers to point to my host. I decided to type in the domain about a minute later, and sure enough, it had propogated. Very quick to be sure. The weird thing was, google had already picked it up - main page was indexed.

Yesterday, same thing. Godaddy domain to same host, this time I hit the domain instantly after registering it. Bingo - domain resolving to host, and indexed by google - we're talking mere seconds here.

I've got 8 domains on this host, all unrelated but sharing the same IP. Is it possible that anything on that IP is considered 'pre' indexed somehow (i.e. the other domains are indexed as if it's treating the new domains as subdomains/subfolder extensions?)

My obvious question is, could there be any penalties involved with this? I'm thinking it's very important with these particular sites to keep the domains from linking to one another, and keep then all unrelated in terms of content.

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11-30-2005, 03:47 PM

bump for all you SE masters
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11-30-2005, 04:03 PM

How did you see it in Google? it had title and snippet of the page? In a few seconds?
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11-30-2005, 04:32 PM

If you are truly interested in SEO, don't put more than one domain per IP. $.02
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11-30-2005, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by slapass

How did you see it in Google? it had title and snippet of the page? In a few seconds?

kinda. strangest thing ever.

just showing as a pr0 in toolbar, and the url if you typed it in. How on earth can google find a site this fast?

something else is going on...
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11-30-2005, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by baddog

If you are truly interested in SEO, don't put more than one domain per IP. $.02

Not in my experience.

As long as the domains are unrelated in subject matter without extensive crosslinking, i've found it works fine in all the major SE's.
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11-30-2005, 05:48 PM

GoDaddy must have the googlebots crawling their servers like mad or something...fawk I dunno. heh

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11-30-2005, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by daveylapoo

Not in my experience.

As long as the domains are unrelated in subject matter without extensive crosslinking, i've found it works fine in all the major SE's.

Its usually ok for smaller terms but if your gonna go after the big 200k+ terms i'd suggest a dedicated ip for each domain
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11-30-2005, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by hydro

Its usually ok for smaller terms but if your gonna go after the big 200k+ terms i'd suggest a dedicated ip for each domain

agreed.
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11-30-2005, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by hydro

Its usually ok for smaller terms but if your gonna go after the big 200k+ terms i'd suggest a dedicated ip for each domain

I agree on that

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11-30-2005, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by hydro

Its usually ok for smaller terms but if your gonna go after the big 200k+ terms i'd suggest a dedicated ip for each domain

Sorry but it's just not true, if you are relying on the couple or even 30 sites that you cross link to get you a top ranking on a big term then you will be waiting a while.

There is no downfall to having a shared i.p. unless you cross link 50+ sites from the same c class. Then you might get banned for being a jack ass.

Not sure how this myth got spread.

We own so many huge top terms and have never use dedicated i.p.'s for marketing. And we have clients that have hundreds of top terms almost all on shared i.p.'s

not sure it's way to get people to pay more or how it started but I'm 90% sure it's all rubble.

You need links from from i.p.'s yes but you need hundreds to thousands from all over the world to be the top dog. And all the sites can't just be linked together you need the system to be spread all over to have a real effect.

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11-30-2005, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by chaze

Sorry but it's just not true, if you are relying on the couple or even 30 sites that you cross link to get you a top ranking on a big term then you will be waiting a while.

There is no downfall to having a shared i.p. unless you cross link 50+ sites from the same c class. Then you might get banned for being a jack ass.

Not sure how this myth got spread.

We own so many huge top terms and have never use dedicated i.p.'s for marketing. And we have clients that have hundreds of top terms almost all on shared i.p.'s

not sure it's way to get people to pay more or how it started but I'm 90% sure it's all rubble.

You need links from from i.p.'s yes but you need hundreds to thousands from all over the world to be the top dog. And all the sites can't just be linked together you need the system to be spread all over to have a real effect.

Also agreed.

I have had an entire matrix of sites penalized for excessive crosslinking - I know first hand what NOT to do....though the sites still do very well in msn and yahoo - it seems to be more of a google thing...lol. I've checked the SERPS using the no penalty filter and sure enough My sites have several top 10 placements.

The other benefit to putting your 'bigtime' site on a dedicated IP is insurance - if there was some kind of IP penalty, you wouldn't want your flagship site(s) affected.

Getting back to the issue though, do you feel aas though the speed at which google picked up these sites has something to do with the IPs? I mean seriously, how could google index a site within seconds of being registered?
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11-30-2005, 06:12 PM

Hey chaze,

I'll agree with you there. Many times large shared hosting companies will get indexed before a small dedicated ip. I've seen this more than 100 times. I've even seen sites pop up in ranking after switching them to the same IP as a relivent website.

Google is a master at keeping everyone guessing, and I'll agree that unless it's a spammy linking, 1 IP can handle a bunch of domains.

Originally posted by chaze

Sorry but it's just not true, if you are relying on the couple or even 30 sites that you cross link to get you a top ranking on a big term then you will be waiting a while.

There is no downfall to having a shared i.p. unless you cross link 50+ sites from the same c class. Then you might get banned for being a jack ass.

Not sure how this myth got spread.

We own so many huge top terms and have never use dedicated i.p.'s for marketing. And we have clients that have hundreds of top terms almost all on shared i.p.'s

not sure it's way to get people to pay more or how it started but I'm 90% sure it's all rubble.

You need links from from i.p.'s yes but you need hundreds to thousands from all over the world to be the top dog. And all the sites can't just be linked together you need the system to be spread all over to have a real effect.

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11-30-2005, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by daveylapoo

Also agreed.

I have had an entire matrix of sites penalized for excessive crosslinking - I know first hand what NOT to do....though the sites still do very well in msn and yahoo - it seems to be more of a google thing...lol. I've checked the SERPS using the no penalty filter and sure enough My sites have several top 10 placements.

The other benefit to putting your 'bigtime' site on a dedicated IP is insurance - if there was some kind of IP penalty, you wouldn't want your flagship site(s) affected.

Getting back to the issue though, do you feel aas though the speed at which google picked up these sites has something to do with the IPs? I mean seriously, how could google index a site within seconds of being registered?

That is interesting, my best guess is that there is another high ranked site on the same i.p. that Google likes.

The higher the rank of a site the more often Google will spider it. Maybe they have spread this to i.p.'s but that would be talked about more I would think.

Very cool maybe I can get a sub domain there?

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11-30-2005, 06:16 PM

Hey Davey

Agreed, this is the main reason i have alot of IP addresses. Can you imagine one script being hijacked and blocking all of your other sites? I have a few clients that have their domains hosted on one of my servers. I make sure they are in a diff c than what i run my stuff on.

[QUOTE=daveylapoo]The other benefit to putting your 'bigtime' site on a dedicated IP is insurance - if there was some kind of IP penalty, you wouldn't want your flagship site(s) affected.
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11-30-2005, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by chaze

That is interesting, my best guess is that there is another high ranked site on the same i.p. that Google likes.

The higher the rank of a site the more often Google will spider it. Maybe they have spread this to i.p.'s but that would be talked about more I would think.

Very cool maybe I can get a sub domain there?

That's just it, this calls into play some crazy ideas. If it had happened once, I may have just thought it a fluke, but twice...hmmm. It's my understanding that I have a dedicated IP with this account, and no domain on this IP is anything mind blowing in terms of Google love.

Don't get me wrong, this appears to be a very good thing at the onset. I'm not compaining about having a new site instantly picked up by G - so long as at some point if one site runs into trouble they all don't share the same fate.

Subdomains....hehe...maybe I should resell acounts off it.
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11-30-2005, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by chaze

Sorry but it's just not true, if you are relying on the couple or even 30 sites that you cross link to get you a top ranking on a big term then you will be waiting a while.

There is no downfall to having a shared i.p. unless you cross link 50+ sites from the same c class. Then you might get banned for being a jack ass.

Not sure how this myth got spread.

Spread because seo guru's actually read the Google patent. Then some thought google would implement ALL of their outlined patent intentions over night, but they didn't. It's been happening in phases.
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11-30-2005, 06:31 PM

[QUOTE=3M TA3]Hey Davey

Agreed, this is the main reason i have alot of IP addresses. Can you imagine one script being hijacked and blocking all of your other sites? I have a few clients that have their domains hosted on one of my servers. I make sure they are in a diff c than what i run my stuff on.

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The other benefit to putting your 'bigtime' site on a dedicated IP is insurance - if there was some kind of IP penalty, you wouldn't want your flagship site(s) affected.
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This is why we put resellers on their own i.p. we don't want to risk the i.p. getting banned. I hope the c class wouldn't get effected it would be a huge blow to almost all hosting. So far it's never happened but the future is the future. But i can say like spews blocking c classes for one i.p. that spammed, Google would have enemies for blocking a c class over a couple i.p.'s like yahoo being blocked for geocities ect.. it would get ugly.

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11-30-2005, 06:39 PM

aahh sorry should have clarified. I have 8, 16, and 32 blocks of IPs all on diff c-classes or large gaps between each block. I personally keep them organized by different c-classes so i'll have a block of 8 for general clients, another 16 for a big client, and groups of 8 and 32 for my own.

I also run Plesk so I can limit the IPs that particular clients or resellers have access to.

sorry, that did sound strange

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Hey Davey

Agreed, this is the main reason i have alot of IP addresses. Can you imagine one script being hijacked and blocking all of your other sites? I have a few clients that have their domains hosted on one of my servers. I make sure they are in a diff c than what i run my stuff on.

This is why we put resellers on their own i.p. we don't want to risk the i.p. getting banned. I hope the c class wouldn't get effected it would be a huge blow to almost all hosting. So far it's never happened but the future is the future. But i can say like spews blocking c classes for one i.p. that spammed, Google would have enemies for blocking a c class over a couple i.p.'s like yahoo being blocked for geocities ect.. it would get ugly.

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11-30-2005, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by daveylapoo

Registered a domain at godaddy a couple days ago, and setup the nameservers to point to my host. I decided to type in the domain about a minute later, and sure enough, it had propogated. Very quick to be sure. The weird thing was, google had already picked it up - main page was indexed.

.

Is it possible that the domains had been registered before and expired? Would explain the url only listing in Google - just hadnt been removed yet. Might check archive org and see if maybe the domains were preused.

Other theories - possibility that since Google is a certified registrar now, they have access to new reg.'s immediately and in the "battle of SE's" they may be playing number games. Although not very likely.
One question - did you link to the new domains from any other sites that are indexed? I noted you said main page was indexed - I assume you mean you put up a page as soon as you bought it?

As far as the IP question - yep you can get crosslinked IPs banned - but then you can do the same thing with every domain being on a seperate Class C as well - the linking pattern is the key - not the IP. Again - remember that Google is now a registrar - which gives them access to the entire whois database
A good way to think (common sense type stuff) - you will see pages rank extremely well that are on angelfire or any of the other massive shared IPs with thousands of pages - and some people that make tons of pages on those IPs - not getting banned at all - because they follow simple rules for linking that dont trip Googles filters.
On the other hand you can see people that interlink every page of one massive site to every page of another massive site - and they will get banned - either caught by the filter - or in a lot of cases - turned in by the guy that is reporting Sites Positioned Above Mine

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11-30-2005, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by Linkster

Is it possible that the domains had been registered before and expired? Would explain the url only listing in Google - just hadnt been removed yet. Might check archive org and see if maybe the domains were preused.

Other theories - possibility that since Google is a certified registrar now, they have access to new reg.'s immediately and in the "battle of SE's" they may be playing number games. Although not very likely.
One question - did you link to the new domains from any other sites that are indexed? I noted you said main page was indexed - I assume you mean you put up a page as soon as you bought it?

As far as the IP question - yep you can get crosslinked IPs banned - but then you can do the same thing with every domain being on a seperate Class C as well - the linking pattern is the key - not the IP. Again - remember that Google is now a registrar - which gives them access to the entire whois database
A good way to think (common sense type stuff) - you will see pages rank extremely well that are on angelfire or any of the other massive shared IPs with thousands of pages - and some people that make tons of pages on those IPs - not getting banned at all - because they follow simple rules for linking that dont trip Googles filters.
On the other hand you can see people that interlink every page of one massive site to every page of another massive site - and they will get banned - either caught by the filter - or in a lot of cases - turned in by the guy that is reporting Sites Positioned Above Mine

Great insights, thanks.
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11-30-2005, 06:51 PM

Agreed, nice stuff Linkster.

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11-30-2005, 06:54 PM

I have 4 .ca domains i registered in 11/05 (2 weeks ago), allready cached and indexed. I DID NOT add links to them.

Google had them cached the next day. And in fact show for keywordkeyword (domain name exactly no ext) searches in google. Theres other very interesting things also i noticed but i dont think this is the place to share them.

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11-30-2005, 06:54 PM

Hey Linkster we are looking for another spot to colocate some dns and back up stuff mnabye a couple shared seerver.

Half rack, reboots, 10 meg line. $750 or so, cheap bandwidth is o.k. as long as it's not Cogent.

You got anything available? What state are you in?

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12-02-2005, 02:21 PM

chaze - I dont do any hosting LOL - but a good friend runs colo-cation.com
he's been around forever - his name is Chris Davies - and has his hosting company set up in the Nap of the America's which is the 5th Tier-1 access point in the world - located in Miami - he's running Apache2 and Tux if ya want it - it loads pages 10 times as fast as the old Apache

A little blurb from his main page - The facility is directly adjacent to the FEC railway with 24 fiber providers and is strategically located close to major carrier Points of Presence (POPs) and eight worldwide undersea cable landings which maximize connectivity by proximity

I can tell you that when all the other providors in Florida went down - this one stayed up - and since the NAPs houses the US govt stuff as well - its not gonna go down LOL

Chris is probably the leading server guru around and can accomplish miracles with buggy scripts when sites get transferred to him etc - Iused to be hosted at 2 other companies that are extremely well known in the adult industry and I can honestly say that I have never had a better experience with hosting.

And the kicker is that he was half the price of my other hosts LOL - I know he's got a price list over on his site however I would definitely contact him with your exact requirements as he did put together a package for me that was amazing - BTW - I believe he was one of the original programmers on UCJ if I remember correctly

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12-02-2005, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by daveylapoo

kinda. strangest thing ever.

just showing as a pr0 in toolbar, and the url if you typed it in. How on earth can google find a site this fast?

something else is going on...

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