ATTENTION: NEW PRODUCT! Can help webmasters with OBSCENITY PROSECUTIONS.

Wow. Very interesting.

I have been reading about this quite a bit lately - this could be the new "key" to a lot of webmasters to avoid unnecessary prosecution for obscenity alone.

Good one!

have not looked at it yet but the concept is sound.

any obscenity case has to take the content "as a whole" and if you have this sort of stuff within the confines of your domain it does make you less vulnerable.

always wise to use proactive measures like putting up pages of safe sex info relevant to the content shown.

don't see much safe sex info on sites---there are tons of sexual behavior studies (CDC, etc) that could be linked to.

true, it ain't so romantic to talk about hepatitis on an ATM page, but it might actually keep you out of the court room...some of the behaviors presented on porn sites just ain't so good for human health.

Brilliant idea

Very innovative too! Good luck

Hmm that is some great info. Thank you.

uhmm.... pardon me for being rational... but what does all this have to do with Bush, Gonzales and the religious right in the USA?

i can't believe a content provider is selling content that they are claiming can reduce the risk of being targeted by the government and of course "increases retention" - whats next?? an anti department of justice tin foil suit?

yeah... i will just put this in my drunk midget tranny fisting site and breath easy because the content is now somehow less objectionable to Jerry Fallwell.

give me a break.

just my

drunk midget tranny fisting site? does that convert well? ;)

trying to get the picture,but unless it's almost part of the FHG sponsors have how can it legally stand?

actually it can legally stand but wont reduce chances of a prosecution or im wrong?

im open to new ideas.

it can't do anything. the most it can do is IN THEORY, put you in a more defensible position... which is 100% irrelevent if the government is all over your ass anyway. defending yourself in such an attack is going to cost 100's of 1000's.

anyone that says it can help you somehow deflect government attacks against you and your hardcore porn site is just a complete asshole, because obscenity and 2257 have ZERO to do with whether you do or do not have some stupid ass dr ruth plugin in your members area.

its just a cheap attempt to capitalize on fear and market a pay service that is 100% irrelevent the issues.

bump for this interesting thread.

hmm...very interesting. Looking now...

Holy fuck...that has to be the worst designed site in history!

You have a pretty poor sales pitch GFX Wiz

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Site is educational

I am not selling anything...and I made no mention of the content being good, bad or indifferent...definitely a decent service. Site looks like shit. I am NOT looking for freelance work -- don't need it.

Way to go SexEntertain!

Brad

Where is the bibleography for all of your information?

What they are attempting to do is cover you using one of the three prongs under the written guidelines per California Vs. Miller which as as follows.

1. whether the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest
2. whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law
3. whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value

Now using California Vs. Miller (the standard case file for obscenity prosecutions). The publication or what not must meet the guidelines of all three prongs in order to be found guilty in an obscenity prosecution. What they are offering is a fail safe for prong (c) giving it serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value. (Hustler for instance has serious articles for a reason). This will not of course prevent a prosecution but can assist you in winning one or getting it dismissed all together. Without using prong (c) in websites or any other "publication" you are leaving yourself completely up to chance in regards to other vague standards such as community standards and the like which can easily be circumvented or swayed by the Governments ability to choose choice of venue.

This is sort of pornography 101 people.


(this in no way is legal advice, consult an attorney).

I don't think marketing it that way will help prosecution much though.

Cheerful Prosecutor: " Notice they were trying to hide the fact that they're a dirty rotten scumbag pornographer ? The following quotes on the site proves what this product really is about.. "

Sounds like a great idea, will defentetly help with Miller. Saw the demo..... Pricing is pretty out of whack for the tiny amount of bandwidth it's gonna use. I think you should be looking at $75 for 3 URLs, not per URL.

please note the words "taken as a whole" - nowhere does it say "oh... as long as you have some dumb little link somewhere in your "my teen daughters fucking a black monster cock and fisting her friends" website, we will consider it educational... and it would clearly not be deemed "obscene" and you are therefore immune from prosecution.

the fact of the matter is that there is only one solution... dont be a pornographer in the USA. end of story. you don't have to be a legal genius to figure that one out.

as i have already said.. the possible arguments for this are that it can potentially (in someones wildest fucking dreams) put you in a more defensible position... again, thats completely irrelevent for 90% or more of people here who lack the funds/resources to fight or defend themselves if the DOJ is knocking on their door. once it comes to that point, they are fucked anyway... unless you think their public defender is going to take down the DOJ

representing this as a solution to anything, is grossly irresponsible and negligent by any definition of the word.

I haven't looked at the product, and my comment has zero to do with the product. So I have no opinion on the product per se. (end of my own disclaimer)

But... this comment did catch my eye...

However, being a pornographer, as you put it, and living in the US, there's the problem. Just like the recent DOJ case against Schaeffer, Kilbride, et al, demonstrates, having a company that's set up outside the US, using servers, banks, etc, ALL outside the US, doesn't do you a damn bit of good if you live in the US, and they decide it's your turn on the witness stand.

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what it really comes down to is due process, and how instructional or artistic content is combined with "porn" content, and how this presentation will play in front of a jury. in criminal cases to obtain a conviction you must not have any "gray" area, and by introducing artistic/educational content into your site you introduce gray area, arguing points, etc...and the reality is, with 50,000 porn sites in the USA on the edge the DOJ will pick and choose what it thinks are slam dunk convictions---they will not be going after danni.com, they will be going after itiedherupgaggedherandrapedher.com ... get it?

now just throwing some canned content into a hardcore site probably will not do much to save it---and this is why it is probably best NOT to use a canned approach.

a better aproach is for the webmaster to add CUSTOMIZED and RELEVANT content of an artistic or educational nature that is germane to the content depicted.

now some of you guys will understand this, and most of you will not.

Damn. One more thing to put on my to do list.

Sex Culture Online - Why should you care?

Hey Everyone - thanks for all those replies. This is RJ from Sexentertain. I want to address as many of your comments as I can, so here goes:

- Sexentertain is a content company, we make money selling adult video and photo content to webmasters. We have been around for a long while, and we are known for being fair and selling quality content. Consider this- if our clients get tagged by the Feds, we lose money. Several large clients bailed out just from 2257, which is still floating in some judges chambers somewhere.
- When we were approached to distribute this product (no- we did not write the material), we were psyched! We strongly believe our community needs to add value to their tour pages, and we think that tour sites are the #1 targets for prosecution. This is ONE way to do it, not the only way, but this product is easy, economical and effective.

- Now, there were some very righteous comments about pricing, design, etc. We hear you! Thank you! This is version 1, so we can work on the design over time. We recommended that SC Global (the authors) create a simple flash design to minimize programming for webmasters who we know want to get things done fast, once and easily.
- Sex Culture Online is easy to integrate - so what it lacks in sizzle, it delivers in steak. Just a few steps - you put up a new page, plunk the flash viewer into it, setup a bunch of graphics (ours or yours) with linking codes to specific topics (e.g. sexual fantasy) and the viewer reads the DB and BANG, you get the aritcles to read on a page on your site, with your style sheet and your branding. Simple, effective.
- This product is really for TOUR pages, less so for Member sites. Since the Tour page is the most exposed legally (call your lawyers folks!) this is the really obvious place to put it. You can also put it in your members section, but the Tour page is a must.
- Pricing - hey, we know what you are saying. We are not aware of too many other products like this, and we promised the authors we would get back to them with market feedback. Call us, we will make a deal work for you - no shit! We have to pay the authors so we have limits, but we will be flexible because we want this to work for everyone!

Oh....the joys of being FLAMED :-)
- I know there are some HATERS out there, who think this type of product has no merit, is full of shit. To them we say - cool, dont buy it! Better yet - make one yourself (if you can find a professor to write it for you - which by the way is NOT easy).
- In order to add scientific or literary value to a site, you just cant write some shit yourself, dude - it doesn't work that way.
- To the HATERS we ask - whatcha gonna do? How are you going to put some body armor on your site? Just gonna ignore the situation, hope it goes away? Best of luck - don't let the door hit you on the ass as you leave our industry!
- Sure, I know some guys who might like to fist a midget tranny, nothing wrong with that. Fact is, that is just human sexuality - no one is getting hurt! But, I would not be surprised to learn that those with such unusual fantasies might like to learn about the sperm drinking tribe of warriors who suck each other off to prepare for battle (Real Life - Read it in Sex Culture Online).

Foks, this is new stuff, and it may not make you money like having some Sex Entertain content feeds! But this is part of the cost of doing business - just like having insurance is a cost of owning and driving your car. So - hey....buckle up! - there is more pressure coming to the market and we need products like this one to make sure we get to shape the discussion and the legal debate. We think other people will be marketing products like Sex Culture Online very soon!.

If you dont have a lawyer, GET ONE! We have a great lawyer - we are NOT lawyers. So, read the following knowing that this is a highly summarized, layman's view of the law:

- We all know about the Miller Test, and we all know it is damn hard to define "community" in the Internet-age. The Sex Culture Online product addresses the two other prongs - scientific/literary value and the notion of purient (overtly sexual) interest.
- We ALL know people come to adult websites to get off (yeah!) and to explore their sexual fantasies. We ALL think that is OK, normal. The Sex Culture Online product says just that - that exploring one's sexuality is part of being human, part of being a sexual animal. The government has their heads shoved WAY up their ass for thinking otherwise - espcially knowing how kinky some of those assholes really are - , but hey....we did not invent the rules.
- Sexentertain does not do business with folks that might be breaking child pornography rules - those guys SUC K. But the majority of the industry is selling product people want in a way that NO ONE GETS HURT!

- Adult entertainment rocks. We want to make sure the community is alive and thriving in 10 years. But folks - we got some very scary people in government, and folks who supply their cash are even scarrier! So, we bring helpful products like Sex Culture Online to market, hoping we can lend a hand.

The main point here is that people replying to this post seem to fall into two groups - those who smell the napalm and know they need to get some armor on their sites so they dont get hit when the battle starts (and its starting soon). The other group are those asleep at the wheel who think they can ignore the gunships being sent by Herr Bush.

We are here, ready to help the first group, and we welcome your comments.

I'm out! RJ

going to add it to our Sex resources page and sex health something we have in all our members areas

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Exactly.

The wise will stay afloat...

And Roger, you get it.

Hmm that's interesting. Doesn't seem like something I need at this time

now whi didn't I think of that. thanks for sharing.

I guess I must be out of the loop - have they been convicted of anything yet? As far as I knew they were only indicted - which doesnt mean jack-shit - although I could see them falling down on the spam operation but I dont see the conviction for obscenity doing anything (especially since the clause of 2257 DOJ is using for that charge is from the new 2257 being contested right now)

Bump

my comment was not intended to suggest that just moving servers etc is a solution to not being targeted. what i was saying is that being in pornography in the US is a constant danger no matter how you look at it. the only solution to not being attacked by the DOJ is to not be involved in pornography. there is no other solution where the laws are as grey as they are in this area... and where a few zealots have decided to take advantage of that and mount a full frontal assault on the entire industry.

again... i read this original post and thought "oh my god... someone is using fear and paranoia to market something and making impossible claims about very serious legal and criminal issues". in my mind thats horribly irresponsible.

and i will say it again... if anyone really believes that putting a single link to some shitty plugin in the members area of www.throat-fucked-teen-whores.com is going to somehow deter the Department of Justice, or make the site as a whole somehow not "obscene" in the eyes of those leading the charge against porn, or add some layer of protection against the federal government... they are totally fucking delusional. all one has to do is read the comments in the latest 2257 regs to see their attitude on porn is CLEARLY "fuck you, fuck the constitution, we are coming to get you anyway"