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Are you more likely to promote a NATS, Mansion, Exec Stats, standard CCBill program?

11-25-2005, 05:52 PM

Are you more likely to promote a NATS, Mansion, Exec Stats, custom cascade, or standard CCBill program?

I like just using a standard CCBill affiliate system for SpookyCash. We've been able to have hosted galleries and a hosted TGP, POTDs, hosted free sites, mailing affiliates their personalized link codes, etc. without having to get a larger software package. But I'm wondering if there are some people who would promote or promote more if I switched to another system.

If you would be more likely to promote a program which utilized something other than the standard CCBill affiliate system, which system would you find most attractive as an affiliate for which features?

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11-25-2005, 05:54 PM

I myself never done well with ccbill.
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11-25-2005, 05:54 PM

WEll, I don't promote ccbill sponsors at all anymore.

NATS or their own cascading billing system such as that (doesn't matter which) but never ccbill

I have had too much bad luck with ccbill sponsors over the last 4 years for it to be a coincidence. Not when everything else converts fine ;-)
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11-25-2005, 06:00 PM

I always seem to do better (in terms of $) with sponsors that use X3Scripts PartnerSoft or their own custom affiliate script/system. But NATS has nice features for affiliates.
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11-25-2005, 06:01 PM

I have more ccbill sponsors than anything else.

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11-25-2005, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by ss821z

I always seem to do better (in terms of $) with sponsors that use X3Scripts PartnerSoft or their own custom affiliate script/system. But NATS has nice features for affiliates.

Links please?

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11-25-2005, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by AmeliaG

Links please?

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11-25-2005, 06:07 PM

I always look for some sort of cascading billing. If you rely on a single billing agent to process, that's a big no-no for me. As for which backend is a preference, I don't really have one.
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11-25-2005, 06:10 PM

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Thanks. I don't think I've promoted a site which uses that. Anyone have a couple examples of sites which use PartnerSoft? One or two links would be much appreciated.

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11-25-2005, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by AmeliaG

Thanks. I don't think I've promoted a site which uses that. Anyone have a couple examples of sites which use PartnerSoft? One or two links would be much appreciated.

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11-25-2005, 06:24 PM

NATS & Exec Stats are excellent imho.
Cascading options are essential nowadays I feel.

Always have had miserable results with CCBill so tend to steer clear of them.
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11-25-2005, 06:34 PM

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11-25-2005, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

I always look for some sort of cascading billing. If you rely on a single billing agent to process, that's a big no-no for me.

Agreed, with their own merchant account like ClickCash, a further huge plus.
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11-25-2005, 06:48 PM

I'm not sure what it is, but I can't convert with nats sponsors I convert ok with sponsors using x3scripts and pure ccbill. Personally I hate when sponsors using pure ccbill and switch to cascading billing WITHOUT having the option to continue pushing the program with the old codes. Think about it Amelia if/before you switch to cascading may it be nats, mansion etc or you might lose webmasters stop pushing your program. Just a tip

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11-25-2005, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by Paparazzi

I'm not sure what it is, but I can't convert with nats sponsors I convert ok with sponsors using x3scripts and pure ccbill. Personally I hate when sponsors using pure ccbill and switch to cascading billing WITHOUT having the option to continue pushing the program with the old codes. Think about it Amelia if/before you switch to cascading may it be nats, mansion etc or you might lose webmasters stop pushing your program. Just a tip

I never understand it when programs switch affiliate methods and make everyone's codes invalid, when they don't have to. As an affiliate, that totally pisses me off, so the Golden Rule means I wouldn't want to do that to my affiliates. SpookyCash's CCBill affiliate tours currently go to their own leak-proof tours as is and I can't think of any reason to change that. Maybe I am missing something, but, even if I add a cascade system, keeping the CCBill tours active doesn't cost me anything and keeps affiliates, so the current tours and link codes stay regardless. My only question is whether to add additional ways to promote SpookyCash.

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11-25-2005, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by AmeliaG

I never understand it when programs switch affiliate methods and make everyone's codes invalid, when they don't have to. As an affiliate, that totally pisses me off, so the Golden Rule means I wouldn't want to do that to my affiliates. SpookyCash's CCBill affiliate tours currently go to their own leak-proof tours as is and I can't think of any reason to change that. Maybe I am missing something, but, even if I add a cascade system, keeping the CCBill tours active doesn't cost me anything and keeps affiliates, so the current tours and link codes stay regardless. My only question is whether to add additional ways to promote SpookyCash.

Great to hear. Sure go for it! More promoting options=more webmasters pushing your program

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11-25-2005, 07:17 PM

Please do cascade billing AmeliaG!!

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11-25-2005, 07:49 PM

I don't care as long as they can pay via epass and have good quality content/fhg's.
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11-25-2005, 07:53 PM

www.weconvert.com uses MPA3 and has cascading billing. We like the setup
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11-25-2005, 10:51 PM

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I don't care as long as they can pay via epass and have good quality content/fhg's.

Is epassporte payout really that much of a plus? Like enough to decide one on a program? If so, why?

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11-25-2005, 11:29 PM

Because european webmaster are charged 15 Euros per check they deposit at the bank. That makes epassporte cheaper and faster

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11-25-2005, 11:36 PM

Special considerations are always nice, and can certainly sway a decision in almost any direction. But all things being as they are, ccbill, by far.

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11-25-2005, 11:40 PM

Having built cascading solutions for clients in the past, I would never entrust an affiliate program to any one biller, including ccbill. There is too much money being lost... 3rd party stats is where it's at, cut your own cheques and make more money for your affiliates.
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11-25-2005, 11:47 PM

Doesn't matter to me. It depends on the site itself.

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11-25-2005, 11:49 PM

Originally posted by ss821z

I always seem to do better (in terms of $) with sponsors that use X3Scripts PartnerSoft

A lot of big programs use that software. It seems pretty solid. I wonder why there isnt more buzz around it.

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11-26-2005, 12:40 AM

Originally posted by Paparazzi

I'm not sure what it is, but I can't convert with nats sponsors I convert ok with sponsors using x3scripts and pure ccbill. Personally I hate when sponsors using pure ccbill and switch to cascading billing WITHOUT having the option to continue pushing the program with the old codes. Think about it Amelia if/before you switch to cascading may it be nats, mansion etc or you might lose webmasters stop pushing your program. Just a tip

Hi Paparazzi... just curious, which ones did you try that you have performed badly with?

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11-26-2005, 12:45 AM

the admin thats are nice but the affiliate stats totally suck balls

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11-26-2005, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by E Guru

the admin thats are nice but the affiliate stats totally suck balls

For which systems? Is there a system with affiliate stats which you like?

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11-26-2005, 01:39 AM

I dont like the CCBill backend at all, I only use a few of them. Else it doesnt matter which script or anything they have as backend.

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11-26-2005, 01:42 AM

For me,

epassporte is a must,

and I would never send much traffic if its a ccbill sponsor where I sign up directly with them. If I can sign up with your program so ccbill doesn't know who I am (to avoid being on a special scrub list), then its ok with ccbill.

Other than that any script or solution is ok with me.
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11-26-2005, 01:49 AM

were thinkin bout it, nats, but for some smaller aff its not what they want, if you set payouts >100 they takes ages to get that on all sponsors, just because they have little traffic.

Its a great prg though.

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11-26-2005, 01:53 AM

ccbill sux hard, nats is the way to go
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11-26-2005, 01:57 AM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

I always look for some sort of cascading billing. If you rely on a single billing agent to process, that's a big no-no for me. As for which backend is a preference, I don't really have one.
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11-26-2005, 02:00 AM

anything but ccbill is an improvement almost. something that tracks raw, uniques and join hits is great too. cascading billing is a must.

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11-26-2005, 02:01 AM

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11-26-2005, 02:05 AM

The only bad thing when smaller affilate programs start to use nats and mpa is that they our responsible for sending out checks.
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11-26-2005, 02:07 AM

I won't knowingly touch Mansion because of the shave issue in MPA2.

NATS is okay in general (although I cannot say I have noticed any $$$ impact, which I guess anyway depends on the processors in use), but it takes for ever to pull FHG's from most of their multi-site users, since pic and movie galleries have to be generated one type at a time, separately for each site they have.

I haven't felt good about ccBill ever since I had my own cards rejected by them on a few sites. These were long-standing, UK-issue cards with high limits that I paid off in full every month, so I can't imagine what kind of algorithm trapped them. And I don't like that they make it impossible to pull detailed stats into something like statsRemote unless you have each sponsor separately in their system (which then makes it horrible to get the links and so on from the sponsors who keep that stuff "inside" ccBill).

I haven't noticed other systems in use widely enough to get a real impression of them and anyway payment processing is only one aspect of a sponsor's profile. I suspect we are losing a lot of money with all of them, since I imagine they all kill a lot of good sales to minimize their risks.
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11-26-2005, 02:24 AM

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11-26-2005, 02:26 AM

im a ccbill and NATS man myself..
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11-26-2005, 02:50 AM

whoever makes me the most money at the end of the day.

and yes epassporte is an awesome payout option but also makes it easier for people to hide.
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11-26-2005, 03:09 AM

I promote a ton of different sponsors ccbill/nats and will alwaysd put ccbill ahead of nats. I just added up all the money owed to me from nats sponsors and it's over $1500 but because I have not reached the minimum whatever for the current period i won't see a check until I generate another sale or two. With CCBILL I know I can go to the mailbox Monday morning and a cheque will be there like clockwork. If CCBILL was the processor for all adult sites we would all be loaded but with NATS it just seems like I am working to pay for sponsors new S.U.V.'s

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11-26-2005, 03:54 AM

Originally posted by Nathan

Hi Paparazzi... just curious, which ones did you try that you have performed badly with?

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11-26-2005, 04:16 AM

only nats!
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11-26-2005, 04:56 AM

Just a quick clarification on a point several people have made. The $100 min payout is not a NATS requirement. It's simply the default which most sponsors don't change. They could have a $1 minimum payout if they chose to do so. It's entirely configurable and up to the sponsor program (like nearly everything in NATS). You should contact the sponsor programs and ask them if they can provide you a lower minimum payout if you would like one.

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11-26-2005, 05:09 AM

ccbill mostly...(or epoch, but also as a stand-alone) I dont feel like losing sales on other software, too many bugs
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11-26-2005, 05:10 AM

Originally posted by AmeliaG

I never understand it when programs switch affiliate methods and make everyone's codes invalid, when they don't have to.

Yup. It first happenedf to me with JennaCash back in the days and I jjust deleted all my sites with them without signing up to their new program;I did the same for all sponsors that try to force me to switch by invalidating the CCBILL accounts and will continue to do the same for all future sdponsors. I just hate sponsors that try to "bully" with this tactic.

On the other hand, I did eventually signed up to sponsors that kept all affiliates CCBILL activated when the went into cascading.
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11-26-2005, 05:11 AM

I wouldnt knowingly waste my time with a sponsor that uses mansion because of shaving.
CCbill, well, many sponsors I choose to push use it, so I have no control over it, but feel i would & the sponsor would definately make money if they cascaded or switched systems. Also note that ccbill is extremely easy to manipulate & a dishonest sponsor can easily configure to cheat the webmaster. Not too long ago there was a program owner asking particular questions regarding ccbill & reading his/her questions, it looked like to me this sponsor wanted to manipulate the system to cheat webmasters.

Nats- It's fairly new, there's alot of buzz, it seems to work extremely well & people swear by it, however, I havent made a single cent with any program that uses it??

the others, I am sure some sponsors I push use it, but I dont know which ones, so really cant form an opinion on it.
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