I think i hold the record, for the amount of threats recieved by a model hahaha

50 flakes

I don't have a beef with you SoS - since you chose to bring this to the board I am simply adding a different perspective. I've never been much good as a sheep.

So Julia knew that she would want to quit within months of starting, and want the content taken down? I think not (or she is even more coniving than you have suggested). The pay was probably mighty enticing at first. In any case, she obviously didn't totally understand the situation, and now has major regrets.

I'm not sure how many affiliates you have, and who is making significant money from your site, however I just took a look at your Alexa stats and it doesn't look like anyone would be losing much if you shut the site down...

Today 209,397

1 wk. Avg. 674,705

3 mos. Avg. 331,763 ha

3 mos. Change (-209,443)

So you are gloating about it. Doesn't seem like anything I would be particularly happy or proud about. Also, I'm not sure if you learned the right lesson from your first experience.

You say it's all about the the money with her, but if you think about it, that seems to be what you yourself are saying - that it's all about the money with you.

What was the deal, straight pay for modeling, or was she supposed to get residuals from the site?

With any luck, you will learn as I did, to get better at selecting models as you gain experience. I rarely have any kind of problems with models anymore.

I abandoned a very profitable two year old site (which I still have tons of content for) due to a rather bad falling out with a model. I've never regreted that decision, although I wish the site were still up simply since it would help document the evolution of my online work, and like everything I do, it is as much a labor of love as it is about making money.

I'm not sure it has to be all or nothing. If you both attempt to discuss things through rationally, remembering that in the beginning you were most likely friends and both were excited about the business prospect that you were developing, then you might still come up with a positive, mutually beneficial outcome.

As for your concern for your affiliates, they made money while you made money. That's how it works. If the site suddenly stopped making money for whatever reason, that's the way things go.

Again, I would probably not have ever brought this issue to the boards, where your affiliates can see it. Most of them should be able to realize that the site is going to bring diminishing returns since it has no future beyond the content you have yet to post. Also, if one of Julia's angry "friends" takes you out with a Louisville Slugger, I'm not sure who is going to take care of your affiliates then. That will probably be the least of your worries.

There are lots of ways to make money, both in and out of the adult biz. It's much nicer to operate a business in a manner where you can sleep good at night, rather than to have to live in fear.

Oh well, I guess you have thought everything through, just like Julia did when she signed on the dotted line.

Anyway, good luck with your future endeavors, hopefully the third time will be a charm for you.

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Dude, are you a pornographer or a high school counselor? You have the same attitude as Donovan Phillips, "oh poor models, blah blah blah." The girl knew what she was getting into, now she regrets it, and sonofsam should pity her and take the shit down? Are you on drugs?

What if the guy who invented the T.V. decided that he made a bad decision, and wanted every T.V. in the world destroyed? Should we all destroy our T.V.'s because he had a change of heart? Same situation.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude...you are looking really dumb right now....the bitch signed a waiver. END OF STORY

the waiver /contract is kind of a tough one on porn... Bring that to the court and see what the judge says about the gurl NOT WANTING TO BE IN PORN ANYMORE . In the end the model will get the last laugh not you.

yeah if your attorney is a fucking mental midget. A contract is a contract. The photos/video do not belong to her anymore and she agreed to hand over her rights when she signed. end of story

Not tru

duke

ya maybe in Moral Court.....

I would love to see a Jerry Springer show based soley off of GFY
I'd buy that for a dollar

What courts are you talking about, the ones in Lebanon?

If I where Son of Sam, I would just absolutely LOVE to see a judge rule in favour of the model.

That would be the day that I would give away her content to every newbie on the block for free so that they can get a headstart on their sites. I would then go to a printer, get about 20,000 colour copies of her pictures, go to the mall and put them on windshields. I would track every male that was involved in her life from the doctor that delivered her all the way up to her parents and give them copies of her pictures on glossy paper.

Hell, I would put her spread eagle pictures on full display ads in the local newspapers if I could get away with it.

Fuck with my income, you fuck with your life.

sure it is , i saw it on people's court
Keep thinking that this industry is like any other and just because you got this "contract" with your talent there are many ways she/he can pull out and even go so far as having their content pulled off the internet as well.
There can be so many loop holes in the contract if not written properly / effectively especially for PORN .
So if you think this "contract" of your porno talent is going to save yah more power to you.

Why would the model get the last laugh?

Nobody is forcing this girl to shoot. The shooting is done. End of story. Case closed. History cannot be erased, nor can this girls past of shooting dirty pictures. Pictures of her playing with her pussy are on thousands of computers around the world, and she said "ok, show me the money!"

Why would a judge rule in her favor? What's he going to say? "Son of Sam, remove all of her dirty pictures from the interweb right now!" :-)

By the way, SoS isn't the first person to have "model troubles". I'm willing to bet EVERY single girl affiliate program has model troubles. TNA, Dorm Bucks, Phil Flash, LIGHTSPEED, etc.

Tiffany Teen will never leave the beautiful world of the Internet. The bricks have been laid.

Loopholes? Is this Law and Order? Loopholes only exist in movies babe. Hardly ever found in the "Real World".

<-----Pre Law. I know. Actually one of the first things we learned when they taught us about the way law is portrayed...and the way it really works.

Next thing you're going to tell me is that judges use gavels.

Ok, what model was able to do what you are saying?

I know of a handful that would LOVE the knowledge you have.

you are Pre Law , and you never heard of Loopholes in contracts ?
Oh boy ...

So you're basically saying that a contract in this business is worthless.

I would love to hear from other people in this business who have shot a lot of girls. More specifically, any that have been taken to court over a disgruntled model. I'm sure that it's been done at one point or another and if a webmaster was to pull the plug on a site every time a model changes her mind, we would have little more than 1978 Hustler scans to sell to surfers.

I've heard of it...but it doesn't mean they happen often.


Sign here to acknowledge that all the pictures I shoot of you today _ / _ / _ now belong to me

X _________________________________

put that on a fucking napking...have her sign it.

find a loophole in that.

It's not the same thing...I was talking about what might be the right thing to do, not legalities. Legalities rarely stop Hell's Angels from stomping somebody that they have it in for.

Perhaps I was wrong when I thought that SoS had Julia's best interests at heart.

I would love to see Julia post in here about this. Apparently she sas not posted on GFY often though... if ever (interesting similarities in SoS's and Julia's posting style).

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She's not going to answer this because...she's stupid.

Didn't Jordan Capri find God? I'm sure she wouldn't mind having her sites taken down.

And what about Tiffany Teen? She bailed and said making a site was a huge mistake, etc, etc. I'm sure she would love to have her pictures taken down, too.

I know of a few others, drawing blanks on names though.

Man, I sold a site about 2 years ago that I really should have kept. Anyone know of any loop holes that will help me get my site back?

Yes, there is a loophole.

It's called money.

ya 5 years revenue...plus $20,000

Make the girl eat it. Call Daddy for the money.

Well actually two incident's One in real life with a local
vancouver amateur talent, happened last year . Who signed a contract with the webmaster/photographer ,
she was young chick about 19y.o and decided she wanted to get out of the porn business after her hole paysite was developed and 30 picture sets and several movies were shot of her . Her site was online already ....
The webmaster decides to sue her because he spent a shit load on her at that point NOTHING HAPPENED TO HER .
SHe had a very high end lawyer as well .
I still talk to her as of TODAY she was so glad she did it too . If u hit me up i will give you her MSN .
Also,
Like i said i saw it on People's Court not even joking on this one , a milf mature chick was being sued for "adult content" this was not internet related it was photos that was produced for magazines and flyers .
The story was that she didn't want to being on adult industry anymore cause she was pregnant and having a baby , because she was having moral issues ,
the milf was hesitating to stay in the business and struggling cause she felt she was suffering "mental problems" .
The dude had not only a contract but a video he brought in court to show she agreed to everything . The judge ruled in the milf' favour got off scotch free .

OK....you mentioned television court which is more morals and less legal precedent....and Canadian court which is just a fucking mess...

i dont know much about canadian law. sooooo good for her...sounds like a joke

sly you can hit me up i know you been wanting to for while anyways
for cyberchat ....

People's Court. Ahaha.

You should call Tiffany or Jordan, you'd be their new best friend!

Best interests or not, this is A BUSINESS. Sure, if they were in a relationship and he took pictures of her just for fun, and she wanted them back, then I can understand. But, that wasn't the case, they have a binding agreement and sonofsam has invested time and money into the site, not to mention the affiliates that have done the same.

nevertheless , i proved you guys what i was talking about was not mumbo jumbo

Hawt! I'm getting cyber laid tonight boys!

My ICQ is 147479144. I'll have to find yours.

I believe what Webgurl was trying to say is that if the contract and model release with the model is not perfect that it can be picked apart in court. I have seen many contracts in my time come across my desk that were laughable how badly they were put together and written. People leave themselves very unprotected, and those things can be exploited.

As far as bringing the loss of the model here, I find that to be a bad choice. This already lets webmasters know that there is no possibility of fan signs, custom themed content, live cam shows for members and many other things. Not to mention that soon the content will run out.

Sounds like either the contracts weren't that solid or the judge fucked up. In which case you can appeal.

You didn't prove anything. Any American lawyer in an American court room would eat the case up on behalf of the webmaster.

Tyson Beckford....Tyson fucking Beckford. You know the face of Ralph Lauren? The most recent face of Sean John....highest paid male model?

Ya well that guy and all his money (MILLIONS) went after Playgirl because of their plans to publish pictures of him in his earlier years.

GUess what happened? Playgirl presented model release forms, which was provided to them by the original photographer almost 10 years back. After 10years the model release form still held up and Tyson's case was thrown out.


Where's Steve Lightspeed when you need him.

if you have a strong contract not written by a newbie on sale attorney you would most likely win , but thats what i am saying but face it ... not all of you can afford to pay the big bucks to have a fully legit professional attorney to write you a powerful contract between you and your talent and more importantly defend you when in need . This is EXACTLY what i mean by loopholes , if you think it's only in the movies than you are a true fool

He has 2 years of content and hes an ethical person. Good for him.

Ring...

[Disgruntled Model] Hi daddy!
[dad] Uh...hi! Long time no talk! Where have you been?
[DM] Sorry dad, I was like busy shooting a film.
[dad] I knew that all this money spent on acting classes would pay off some day. So, hollywood bound yet?
[DM] Well, that's like really what I'm calling about like. See, I had like a nude scene and...
[dad] nude scene
[DM] Well, there was like more than one and I'd like to like buy them back.
[dad] This isn't one of them porn sites is it?
[DM] ...*sob*
[dad] What's the url
[DM] It's www.meatcurtain...
[dad] Oh! I'm seeing it now! *fap fap fap* Oh yeaaaaaaaaah!
[DM] DAD!!!!!
[dad] Oh! You know where to get a fleshlight?

You are correct. If you have a shitty contract it can get ripped to pieces. I don't think anyone is disagreeing with that. :-)

You've never saw his model release forms, or the contract, so you cannot be 100% sure. There are many things that must be included on a model release form.

OK for the record.....I have seen 5 page model release forms. But I have also seen 1 page release forms....from big mainstream photographers, agencys, and ad agencys.

btw, i didn't mean the fool comment on you , was addressing it to the person who stated loopholes
in contracts are only in the movies .
DOn't worry Sly i still luv you

Yeah 2 years that's a good thing. Just saying I would not post on a board joking about losing the model that I am hoping affiliates will push so I can profit. With so many teen sites out there now any negative attention can be bad.

Two cases you know of of thousands.

Yep. You're right though. Models get judges to break legaly binding contracts allllll the time.

I said that loopholes are something you see in movies. YOU VERY RARELY see them in real life. Can you read? do you need a reading assistant to what i wrote?

here is where u are sooooo wrong , loopholes are everywhere in REAL LIFE .
maybe i need reading lessons but you need a reality check ...

yeah and you're also forgetting incidents like this happens on
a daily basis and gets reported on GFY .

You better watch it bitch!

;-)

ok.

The extent of your legal knowledge.

"There's a sucker born every minute".

- PT Barnum



So the moral of the story is that if you can befriend and then con some wide-eyed teenager into doing something that she soon after regrets, and you can make money doing so, then that makes it right.

I agree, it's business, it's just not how I do business.

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ATTENTION ALL PROGRAM OWNERS: Most of your release forms are no good! Repeat NO GOOD! ALL YOUR CONTENT IS SUBJECT TO SEIZURE! So everyone who has done porn and now regret its can SUE!

This is the most ridiculous shit I've ever heard. Its definately bed time.

I'll be sure to give this thread a bump in the morning for a few laughs. Night all.