Is being a stoner better than being an acholic?

50.......

I was going to stay out of this but you need to be put in check. Booze damages your liver, smoking pot from a vapo causes no perm. damage. The only damage done to your body via smoking is the damage done by the heat in your lungs.

edit: everything else gets coughed up in mucus like dust particals

and franck, you wouldn't know a good bud from your asshole.

....what's a vapo?

Another stoner who thinks weed doesnt do damage. HOW THE FUCK do you people get so stupid? From too much smoking or were you born this way?

Fucking morons.

I dont give a shit if you smoke 10 plants a day. BUT PLEASE stop posting bullshit. Its pathetic.

Oh and just for you moron, i know this is gonna be a real shocker but ive got some breaking news for you:

Chronic marijuana smokers are prey to chest colds, bronchitis, emphysema, and bronchial asthma. Persistent use will damage lungs and airways and raise the risk of cancer. There is just as much exposure to cancer-causing chemicals from smoking one marijuana joint as smoking five tobacco cigarettes. And there is evidence that marijuana may limit the ability of the immune system to fight infection and disease.

Marijuana also affects hormones. Regular use can delay the onset of puberty in young men and reduce sperm production. For women, regular use may disrupt normal monthly menstrual cycles and inhibit ovulation. When pregnant women use marijuana, they run the risk of having smaller babies with lower birth weights, who are more likely than other babies to develop health problems. Some studies have also found indications of developmental delays in children exposed to marijuana before birth.

Fucking retards, peoples blind stupidity pisses me off much.

Marijuana Dangers

* Impaired perception
* Diminished short-term memory
* Loss of concentration and coordination
* Impaired judgement
* Increased risk of accidents
* Loss of motivation
* Diminished inhibitions
* Increased heart rate
* Anxiety, panic attacks, and paranoia
* Hallucinations
* Damage to the respiratory, reproductive, and immune systems
* Increased risk of cancer
* Psychological dependency

The problem might be your definition.. stoner vs alcoholic... Alcoholic is the fairly extreme end of drinking... "stoner" seems to be anyone who smokes a couple times a week... or plays up to the image or has long hair and smokes etc... For the definition you've got to ramp up "stoner" to being smoking at least twice a day.

They're both not good... if you had to choose physical health.. you'd choose stoner... if you had to choose mental health you'd choose alcoholic.
I think a lot of younger people especially don't realise they problems with waking and baking because it's not as physically bad, ie you're not vomiting and crashing your car etc so you don't feel like a drug addict - it's a "lifestyle".
But as with drinking to get drunk, it's something you should only do once a week or so.

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Smoking without tabacco. Idiots like Com think that way its not bad for you

Like i said im not sure if he was born that stupid but if that wasnt the case then that vapo certainly made him that way.

what? You're retarted. Vaporizing is heating the pot up to a certain temperature where the only thing vaporized is the THC, and very little actual smoke is visable. The room temperature vaporized THC is then inhaled from the bag. Not tar, no excess smoke. It has nothing to do with mixing your pot with tobacco. You franck are the idiot. Back your apathetic rants with at least some substance.

eh Franck u r posting complete bullshit now...
and btw I agree with Tera's post ;]

Where exactly? That weed isnt bad for you?

those medical "facts" you posted are baseless

Sure they are prof.

Cmon quit jerking me off and post legitimate resources! You're telling me the tar from even a joint is worse than that of all the preservatives and chemicals that the tobacco in a cig contains?

sometimes i work better when high...

Marijuana affects your brain. THC (the active ingredient in marijuana) affects the nerve cells in the part of the brain where memories are formed.

Marijuana affects your self-control. Marijuana can seriously affect your sense of time and your coordination, impacting things like driving. In 2002, nearly 120,000 people were admitted to emergency rooms suffering from marijuana-related problems, an increase of more than 139 percent since 1995.1

Marijuana affects your lungs. There are more than 400 known chemicals in marijuana. A single joint contains four times as much cancer-causing tar as a filtered cigarette.2

Marijuana affects other aspects of your health. Marijuana can limit your body's ability to fight off infection.3 Long-term marijuana use can even increase the risk of developing certain mental illnesses.4

Marijuana is not always what it seems. Marijuana can be laced with other dangerous drugs without your knowledge. "Blunts"--hollowed-out cigars filled with marijuana--sometimes have substances such as crack cocaine, PCP, or embalming fluid added.

Marijuana can be addictive. Not everyone who uses marijuana becomes addicted, but some users do develop signs of dependence. In 1999, more than 220,000 people entered drug treatment programs to kick their marijuana habit.5

Taken directly from health.org.

Ofcourse its all a lie right Com?

Hahah only the fact that you deny these WELL known FACTS makes proves my point that youre a total moron pothead.

Ok I'm done here, I think it's quite obvious that franck's a waste of oxygen that could be well used taking a bong rip. I sometimes feel like I should be smoking pot to dumb myself down just to deal with shit like this.

edit: take one look at your resource franck, does that look like cold hard facts from the medical community? I'm sure that's really non-biased.

"Welcome to Prevention Online, PREVLINE"

http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/marijuana.html

Go read this.

Oh wait, you wont. Because its facts and truth. You dont want to know that. It doesnt fit in your little stoner fantasy world.

va-poo-rize

You want facts, i give you facts and look at your reply. Must suck knowing that every fucking person can now read on a public board how little you know, how wrong you are and what a kid you are for not admitting it.

Im gonna bump this thread for a while so everybody can see you replies and effects of weed on a person like you.

Please elaborate on this..

franck pull those statistics from a medical journal, or study. then site your resources. something credible, like oh... the Johns Hopkins University perhaps. asshat. I'm done wasting time here. Fuck off.

People passing out, people throwing up, people falling, people hurting themselves. etc etc.

Just a few weeks ago i was standing 2 meters from a group of people who were smoking a joint when one of them, a girl, with chair and all fell backwards. She was totally gone. They guy had to put his hand in her mouth because she was swallowing her tongue. Ambulance and shit.

Stupid tourists. Come to Amsterdam to smoke weed and cant handle it.

But hey, weed isnt bad...she only nearly died because she swallowed her tongue.

i think alcohol tears down your body faster than gettin high will. i know lifelong alcoholics that are pretty bad off healthwise. i also know lifelong stoners who are pretty healthy, they workout and run more miles in a day than most avg people by far.

You fucking idiot. You fucking didnt read it. All the sources are on the page. Look at you the pathetic punk you are. Doesnt read it and still denies it. You dont know shit.

Look everybody. Professor Com doesnt think the national instute of drug abuse is credible. Neither is health.org hahahah
Fuck this is getting better by the minute.

Since he didnt read because hes too busy attacking me let me copy some of the sources.

1 NSDUH (formerly known as the National Household Survey on Drug Abuse) is an annual survey conducted by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration. Copies of the latest survey are available from the National Clearinghouse for Alcohol and Drug Information at 1-800-729-6686.

2 These data are from the 2003 Monitoring the Future Survey, funded by the National Institute on Drug Abuse, National Institutes of Health, DHHS, and conducted by the University of Michigan?s Institute for Social Research. The survey has tracked 12th-graders? illicit drug use and related attitudes since 1975; in 1991, 8th- and 10th-graders were added to the study. The latest data are online at www.drugabuse.gov.

3 These data are from the 2003 Monitoring the Future Survey.

4 These data are from the annual Drug Abuse Warning Network, funded by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, DHHS. The survey provides information about emergency department visits that are induced by or related to the use of an illicit drug or the nonmedical use of a legal drug. The latest data (2002) are available at 1-800-729-6686 or online at www.samhsa.gov.

5 Herkenham M, Lynn A, Little MD, Johnson MR, et al: Cannabinoid receptor localization in the brain. Proc Natl Acad Sci, USA 87:1932-1936, 1990.

6 Rodriguez de Fonseca F, et al: Activation of cortocotropin-releasing factor in the limbic system during cannabinoid withdrawal. Science 276(5321):2050-2064, 1997.

7 Diana M, Melis M, Muntoni AL, et al: Mesolimbic dopaminergic decline after cannabinoid withdrawal. Proc Natl Acad Sci 95:10269-10273, 1998.

8 Mittleman MA, Lewis RA, Maclure M, et al: Triggering myocardial infarction by marijuana. Circulation 103:2805-2809, 2001.

9 Polen MR, Sidney S, Tekawa IS, et al: Health care use by frequent marijuana smokers who do not smoke tobacco. West J Med 158:596-601, 1993.

10 Tashkin DP: Pulmonary complications of smoked substance abuse. West J Med 152:525-530, 1990.

11 Zhang ZF, Morgenstern H, Spitz MR, et al: Marijuana use and increased risk of squamous cell carcinoma of the head and neck. Cancer Epidemiology, Biomarkers & Prevention 6:1071-1078, 1999.

12 Ibid ref 10.

13 Sridhar KS, Raub WA, Weatherby, NL Jr, et al: Possible role of marijuana smoking as a carcinogen in the development of lung cancer at a young age. Journal of Psychoactive Drugs 26(3):285-288, 1994.

14 Hoffman D, Brunnemann KD, Gori GB, et al: On the carcinogenicity of marijuana smoke. In: VC Runeckles, ed, Recent Advances in Phytochemistry. New York. Plenum, 1975.

15 Cohen S: Adverse effects of marijuana: selected issues. Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences 362:119-124, 1981.

16 Adams IB, Martin BR: Cannabis: pharmacology and toxicology in animals and humans. Addiction 91:1585-1614, 1996.

17 Klein TW, Newton C, Friedman H: Resistance to Legionella pneumophila suppressed by the marijuana component, tetrahydrocannabinol. J Infectious Disease 169:1177-1179, 1994.

18 Zhu L, Stolina M, Sharma S, et al: Delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol inhibits antitumor immunity by a CB2 receptor-mediated, cytokine-dependent pathway. J Immunology, 2000, pp. 373-380.

19 Brook JS, et al: The effect of early marijuana use on later anxiety and depressive symptoms. NYS Psychologist, January 2001, pp. 35-39.

20 Green BE, Ritter C: Marijuana use and depression. J Health Soc Behav 41(1):40-49, 2000.

21 Brook JS, Cohen P, Brook DW: Longitudinal study of co-occurring psychiatric disorders and substance use. J Acad Child and Adolescent Psych 37:322-330, 1998.

22 Pope HG, Yurgelun-Todd D: The residual cognitive effects of heavy marijuana use in college students. JAMA 272(7):521-527, 1996.

23 Block RI, Ghoneim MM: Effects of chronic marijuana use on human cognition. Psychopharmacology 100(1-2):219-228, 1993.

24 Lynskey M, Hall W: The effects of adolescent cannabis use on educational attainment: a review. Addiction 95(11):1621-1630, 2000.

25 Kandel DB, Davies M: High school students who use crack and other drugs. Arch Gen Psychiatry 53(1):71-80, 1996.

26 Rob M, Reynolds I, Finlayson PF: Adolescent marijuana use: risk factors and implications. Aust NZ J Psychiatry 24(1):45-56, 1990.

27 Brook JS, Balka EB, Whiteman M: The risks for late adolescence of early adolescent marijuana use. Am J Public Health 89(10):1549-1554, 1999.

28 Ibid ref 22.

29 Pope, Gruber, Hudson, et al: Neuropsychological performance in long-term cannabis users. Archives of General Psychiatry.

30 Lehman WE, Simpson DD: Employee substance abuse and on-the-job behaviors. Journal of Applied Psychology 77(3):309-321, 1992.

31 Gruber, AJ, Pope HG, Hudson HI, Yurgelun-Todd D: Attributes of long-term heavy cannabis users: A case control study. Psychological Medicine 33:1415-1422, 2003.

32 Lester, BM; Dreher, M: Effects of marijuana use during pregnancy on newborn cry. Child Development 60:764-771, 1989.

33 Fried, PA: The Ottawa prenatal prospective study (OPPS): methodological issues and findings?it?s easy to throw the baby out with the bath water. Life Sciences 56:2159-2168, 1995.

34 Fried, PA: Prenatal exposure to marihuana and tobacco during infancy, early and middle childhood: effects and an attempt at synthesis. Arch Toxicol Supp 17:233-60, 1995.

35 Ibid ref 33.

36 Ibid ref 34.

37 Cornelius MD, Taylor PM, Geva D, et al: Prenatal tobacco and marijuana use among adolescents: effects on offspring gestational age, growth, and morphology. Pediatrics 95:738-743, 1995.

38 Kouri EM, Pope HG, Lukas SE: Changes in aggressive behavior during withdrawal from long-term marijuana use. Psychopharmacology 143:302-308, 1999.

39 Haney M, Ward AS, Comer SD, et al: Abstinence symptoms following smoked marijuana in humans. Psychopharmacology 141:395-404, 1999.

40 Lyons MJ, et al: Addiction 92(4):409-417, 1997.

41 These data from the Treatment Episode Data Set (TEDS) 1992-2000: National Admissions to Substance Abuse Treatment Services, November 2001, funded by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Service Administration, DHHS. The latest data are available at 1-800-729-6686 or online at www.samhsa.gov.

42 Stephens RS, Roffman RA, Curtin L: Comparison of extended versus brief treatments for marijuana use. J Consult Clin Psychol 68(5):898-908, 2000.

43 Budney AJ, Higgins ST, Radonovich KJ, et al: Adding voucher-based incentives to coping skills and motivational enhancement improves outcomes during treatment for marijuana dependence. J Consult Clin Psychol 68(6):1051-1061, 2000.

And let me guess the next post. Com will want some REAL facts hahaha.

Read the whole studies before you open your mouth and put your foot in it. This is as conclusive as it gets. Now do the math... and also check out your other quoted resources. You're the stupid punk.


Triggering myocardial infarction by marijuana.

Mittleman MA, Lewis RA, Maclure M, Sherwood JB, Muller JE.

Institute for the Prevention of Cardiovascular Disease, Cardiovascular Division, Department of Medicine, Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, Harvard Medical School, Boston, MA 02215, USA. [email protected]

BACKGROUND: Marijuana use in the age group prone to coronary artery disease is higher than it was in the past. Smoking marijuana is known to have hemodynamic consequences, including a dose-dependent increase in heart rate, supine hypertension, and postural hypotension; however, whether it can trigger the onset of myocardial infarction is unknown. METHODS AND RESULTS: In the Determinants of Myocardial Infarction Onset Study, we interviewed 3882 patients (1258 women) with acute myocardial infarction an average of 4 days after infarction onset. We used the case-crossover study design to compare the reported use of marijuana in the hour preceding symptoms of myocardial infarction onset to its expected frequency using self-matched control data. Of the 3882 patients, 124 (3.2%) reported smoking marijuana in the prior year, 37 within 24 hours and 9 within 1 hour of myocardial infarction symptoms. Compared with nonusers, marijuana users were more likely to be men (94% versus 67%, P<0.001), current cigarette smokers (68% versus 32%, P<0.001), and obese (43% versus 32%, P=0.008). They were less likely to have a history of angina (12% versus 25%, P<0.001) or hypertension (30% versus 44%, P=0.002). The risk of myocardial infarction onset was elevated 4.8 times over baseline (95% confidence interval, 2.4 to 9.5) in the 60 minutes after marijuana use. The elevated risk rapidly decreased thereafter. CONCLUSIONS: Smoking marijuana is a rare trigger of acute myocardial infarction. Understanding the mechanism through which marijuana causes infarction may provide insight into the triggering of myocardial infarction by this and other, more common stressors.

This is what you would call a half truth. Statements made to appear as fact, pulled loosely from unconfirmed statistics. Without digging through all the dirt, one could be convinced, like franck has been, that just about anything is going to kill you. And in fact it's true! Even water yes water will kill you. Water intoxification is lethal. But that's a different story.

Edit: I never even said I smoked pot franck, and what you were saying is libelous and slander. You're a real stand up fellow.

alcohol is more dangerous for alot of reasons.

mainly it actually impairs your judgement and reaction. also, you can't smoke too much weed and die, but it's very easy to drink yourself to death.

I still think franck owes me an apology. But I'll take the disservice he's done himself here instead. ;)

I (pimp-a-licious)Just smoked a blunt son!

Ah pwoor pot smoker. Go tell your mommy.

And in reply to "strange things that sooth you"

And

How much more nonsense is gonna come out of his mouth.

For what exactly pothead moron?? For what?

Yeah good thing you stay so clear when smoking weed.



God..what is it with weed smokers? It really seems they live in a fantasy world.

Is this really what you've sunk to? Or were you always like this? You're belittling yourself! Have some dignity. I would normally not even dignify this kind of rubbage with a response but seriously son, before you shit on yourself anymore... think about what you're saying ;)

things that sooth, and even current preference do not infer use.

Hmm this coming from a guy who denies facts and then tells me to post some facts instead.
This coming from a guy who says its libel that i call him a pothead while he more than once posted on this board he smokes pot.

Yo pothead idiot, maybe, just maybe this are indications that youre slightly smoking too much...just maybe.

Anyway pothead, answer me. What exactly should i apologize for?? Waiting....

you owe us all an apology for dragging the average IQ of this board down 15 points, not to mention your halfassed debate. Not following up on your facts and baseless claims. All in all just for wasting my time and the time of others.

Kid, go smoke some weed. You pathetic pothead.

do you pull this shit out of your ass?
the positive affects of marijuana greatly outweigh the negative, I don't think you are able to say the same of alcohol
Here is a little article to help you understand the affects of marijuana on the body and the brain Marijuana Facts

smoking pot actually reduces the risk of certain cancers... just unimportant ones like BRAIN TUMORS

Thank you for that informative article. Let's check the author... Time for me to take a load off, franck I suggest you do the same.

Pubdate: Wed, 1 Dec 2004
Source: Scientific American (US)
Copyright: 2004 Scientific American, Inc
Contact: [email protected]
Website: http://www.sciam.com/
Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/404
Author: Roger A. Nicoll and Bradley N. Alger
Note: Roger A. Nicoll and Bradley E. Alger first worked together in the late 1970s, when they both were forming what has become an enduring interest in synaptic transmission. At that time, Nicoll had just moved to the University of California, San Francisco, where he is now professor of pharmacology; Alger, currently professor of physiology and psychiatry at the University of Maryland School of Medicine, was his first postdoctoral fellow.Nicoll is a member of the National Academy of Sciences and recent winner of the Heinrich Wieland Award.
Related: Editorial: Marijuana Research http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v04/n1651/a06.html
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/mmj.htm (Cannabis - Medicinal)
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?232 (Chronic Pain)

Everyone grows a form of the drug, regardless of their political leanings or recreational proclivities. That is because the brain makes its own marijuana, natural compounds called endocannabinoids ( after the plant's formal name, Cannabis sativa ).

The study of endocannabinoids in recent years has led to exciting discoveries. By examining these substances, researchers have exposed an entirely new signaling system in the brain: a way that nerve cells communicate that no one anticipated even 15 years ago. Fully understanding this signaling system could have far-reaching implications. The details appear to hold a key to devising treatments for anxiety, pain, nausea, obesity, brain injury and many other medical problems.

If you deny these FACTS then you are clearly as retarded as that other pothead Com. And i wont discuss anymore with you because your fucked up weed brain wont understand reality.

And i never said weed doesnt have positivie effects. I think thats an another topic.

Now go smoke a joint with Com so you can share your fantasy weed stories.

Oh look, pothead idiot Com is all happy now. Suddenly he is interested in the author and the article is interesting and ofcourse those are real facts. Everything else on official sites that i post is bullshit and lies. Com, last time, you are a total fucking clueless idiot living in a fantasy world.