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06-03-2007, 01:25 PM

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So SEO hosting is basically hosting that has all/some of the common server side optimizations already done off the shelf. Maybe a better name would be SE Friendly hosting or SEO'd Hosting.

Alot of the optimizations can be done by .htaccess but an important one has to be offered by the hosting company which is a site specific ip address. This allows your site to be seen independently from other sites on a server.

If there's two sites on the same ip address and one is constanly using blackhat techniques then SE's will view all sites that are theme related at that ip address as offenders. Of course there's exceptions to the rule but that's the rule of thumb. With your own ip address your site is judged by itself.

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06-03-2007, 01:28 PM

its a bullshit slogan to lure the noobs in
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06-03-2007, 01:30 PM

Read the great seobook.....omg what am I saying

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06-03-2007, 01:31 PM

Its terms that users like Baddog enjoy using, when they run out of factual sales pitches

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06-03-2007, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by KimJI

Its terms that users like Baddog enjoy using, when they run out of factual sales pitches

Exactly. Baddog made up this bullshit concept so he can resell generic hosting as something unique.
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06-03-2007, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by KimJI

Its terms that users like Baddog enjoy using, when they run out of factual sales pitches
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06-03-2007, 01:34 PM

SEO friendly hosting is the ability to provide you with multiple Class C IP ranges. It is for people/companies concerned with host crowding penalties associated with search engine optimization.
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06-03-2007, 01:34 PM

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Its terms that users like Baddog enjoy using, when they run out of factual sales pitches

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06-03-2007, 01:35 PM

i think people often overlook the importance because of the slogan but it is very important.

"se friendly" hosting is prob a better description.

but theres other reasons as well. I have mainstream and porn sites on the same server i dont want them sharing ip's nor even in the same blocks , i want them spread around , if it just costs a tiny bit more , then why not offer it as a feature just like other features hosts provide

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06-03-2007, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by You Forgot Poland

its a bullshit slogan to lure the noobs in

Noobs can't afford us. Noobs make comments like yours.
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06-03-2007, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by You Forgot Poland

Exactly. Baddog made up this bullshit concept so he can resell generic hosting as something unique.

lol no he did it because of people like me that ASK their hosts to provide them with sep class c ip's , its that simple .. people want it , he offers it . good for him i say.

I have other hosts that will add the same class c's to my ip pool but thats not what i want , and if they cant offer it i have to find someone who does..

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06-03-2007, 01:38 PM

thats just LESSON #1 in any biz, give the consumer what they want if they cant get it..

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06-03-2007, 01:40 PM

does sound exciting!

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06-03-2007, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by You Forgot Poland

Exactly. Baddog made up this bullshit concept so he can resell generic hosting as something unique.

Show me another host that will provide you with 50+ IP's amd 50+ Class C subnets, with 50+ nameservers on a virtual plan.

Something tells me you have no idea what the word generic means.
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06-03-2007, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by bonkerz2007

Juicy is whoring some out and his sig will probably pop up shortly

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So SEO hosting is basically hosting that has all/some of the common server side optimizations already done off the shelf. Maybe a better name would be SE Friendly hosting or SEO'd Hosting.

Alot of the optimizations can be done by .htaccess but an important one has to be offered by the hosting company which is a site specific ip address. This allows your site to be seen independently from other sites on a server.

If there's two sites on the same ip address and one is constanly using blackhat techniques then SE's will view all sites that are theme related at that ip address as offenders. Of course there's exceptions to the rule but that's the rule of thumb. With your own ip address your site is judged by itself.

Here's more details: http://newsletter.blizzardinternet.c...ge/2007/05/11/

I don't think that link I referred to does any adult hosting I just thought it was a good write up on the topic.

For those bashing the concept of SE Friendly Hosting (SEO Hosting), I'm guessing you either got burned by a wannabe SEO expert and now think all SEO guys are full of shit or you really have no idea what it is and how it can help.
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06-03-2007, 01:50 PM

My understanding is that google sometimes penalizes a site with too many inbound links from the same C block of IP addresses.

The reason is that once people figured out that google ranked pages based on the number of inbound links, people started building link farms in order to artificially inflate their search rankings. (i.e. make it appear that hundreds of other sites were linking to them, when in fact they were merely linking to themself)

So if your site appears to be a "linkfarm" then google discounts the inbound links coming from the same C block.
If you want to build a linkfarm you most definitely need to spread out your IP addresses as much as possible.

If you're just building a bunch of sites and getting people to link to your site because they like your content, the IP's don't really matter.

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06-03-2007, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by baddog

SEO friendly hosting is the ability to provide you with multiple Class C IP ranges. It is for people/companies concerned with host crowding penalties associated with search engine optimization.

which is clearly against ARIN's policy, now arin is starting the mandated migration to IPv6 congradulations, I sure hope you are requring people to purchase SSL certs in order to be in compliance with ARIN.

infact NANOG list has been more discussion on IPv6 bones and who/is/isn't ready and its starting to be more talked about over the past 4 months. Yes its true backbones will start running dual stacks and we will see IPv6 within a few years.

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06-03-2007, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by baddog

Show me another host that will provide you with 50+ IP's amd 50+ Class C subnets, with 50+ nameservers on a virtual plan.

Something tells me you have no idea what the word generic means.

Prove to me that you own the IP space and not a reseller, and I'll believe you and your "SEO hosting"

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06-03-2007, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by Spudstr

Prove to me that you own the IP space and not a reseller, and I'll believe you and your "SEO hosting"

It is funny, I just read a press release about Yellow Fiber recently introducing SEO hosting.

Guess our idea is taking off.
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06-03-2007, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by Spudstr

Prove to me that you own the IP space and not a reseller, and I'll believe you and your "SEO hosting"

What if he's a large enough reseller that he can have his own program? Does that make the program less viable?
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06-03-2007, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by Spudstr

Prove to me that you own the IP space and not a reseller, and I'll believe you and your "SEO hosting"

why would it matter if nobody else is offering it..

all this boils down to is what the consumer wants , i'm the consumer. i want this , my current host doesnt even offer it.. thus i buy it..

baddog isnt the only one doing it , theres lots of others , perhaps he is just the only person giving it a name.

I use another hosts who offers the same thing but doesnt call it anything, its just part of their hosting. I didn't just happen upon them, i specifically looked for hosting that offered this.

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06-03-2007, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by You Forgot Poland

its a bullshit slogan to lure the noobs in

Yup, exactly.

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06-03-2007, 02:38 PM

It's for people who know what their doing with their ip's/seo work.

If you don't have a use for it, skip it.

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06-03-2007, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by pr0

It's for people who know what their doing with their ip's/seo work.

If you don't have a use for it, skip it.

I send people away frequently. It isn't something everyone needs.
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06-03-2007, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by baddog

It is funny, I just read a press release about Yellow Fiber recently introducing SEO hosting.

Guess our idea is taking off.

Please send me that link, because I have never posted a press release.

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06-03-2007, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by Spudstr

Please send me that link, because I have never posted a press release.

Hmmm, must have been an error on my part . . . I see it was a big host, not you that I was thinking about.
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06-03-2007, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by Spudstr

Please send me that link, because I have never posted a press release.

Business is business if people will pay more for putting them on different class c's let em pay. I have a wooden nickel worth 1k I can let go for $500

Actually if you are trying to cheat the SE's then it might help a little but cheating Google never works in the end.

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06-03-2007, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by chaze

Business is business if people will pay more for putting them on different class c's let em pay. I have a wooden nickel worth 1k I can let go for $500

Actually if you are trying to cheat the SE's then it might help a little but cheating Google never works in the end.

nope it never works

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06-03-2007, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by baddog

Hmmm, must have been an error on my part . . . I see it was a big host, not you that I was thinking about.

I'm larger than you think.

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06-03-2007, 03:14 PM

I'm no expert but here is what I know.

If you are building one (or maybe a couple) of site(s) and you are going to grow it organically and search out inbound links from other sites any hosting pretty much will be okay as long as your site has its own IP.

If you are going to build many different sites and swap links between them and build a huge network you need many IPs and different options to help you get the best out of your sites. I have read people like Matt Cutts saying you can actually have multiple sites sharing IPs as long as you don't work the same keywords for them. For example if you have 10 sites all optimized for the keywords "amateur porn" sharing an IP one of the sites may rank well and the others won't rank well at all. But if you have 10 different sites all working different keywords you could still be okay.

In the end if you are planning on building a link farm with multiple sites and many links traded between the sites, you will want to have multiple IPs. Multiple Class C's would be really nice to. the last thing you would want is to spend months and months building your network then have Google see that all your sites share an IP and remove half of them.
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06-03-2007, 03:16 PM

While Spudstr is completely wrong about named-based virtual hosting being required by ARIN at this time, he does bring up a valid point.

As IPv4 space exhaustion comes, it will happen sooner or later that having a uniqe hostname for a website will not be proper justification for IP's. What will happen then, will be something like...

#1. Hosts will simply start charging a lot for IP's, hoping to curtail usage enough to have other justification hit the magic 80% rule. This may or may not be effective.

#2. Hosts will simply lie to ARIN and say every site is SSL. Many will go as far as to setup actual SSL sites for each domain, just to "prove" that indeed this is needed. I expect this to pretty much be the defacto standard in the adult industry, as when there is a shady way to do something pretty much everyone follows it. :/

#3. Hosts will just run out of IP's

Every time a customer asks us for a unique IP per site for SE reasons it pains me. This is complete IP space waste, as there is really no reason for it. If SE's do indeed penalize sites sharing the same IP, then they are having by far the single largest effect on unnecessary IPv4 space waste that I am aware of.

Our policy is to give out unique IP's for each site if a customer requests it, no questions asked. This is absolutely currently within ARIN justification policy. However, ARIN has already asked us on multiple occasions why individual customers seem to have diverse allocations out of multiple blocks, where the allocations are extremely small. I can guarantee there will be some form of means to put an end to this allocation policy within the next few years.

I guess my point is to make hay while the sun shines? As a techie, it truly pains me to see. However, some day in the near future this may no longer be a valid means of conducting business. If you note ARIN policy, a lot of scrutiny is already being placed in this area (e.g. when you apply, they require you tell them why you are not using name based virtual hosting 'for their records'), so the writing has been on the wall for a long, long, time.

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06-03-2007, 03:16 PM

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06-03-2007, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by chaze

Actually if you are trying to cheat the SE's then it might help a little but cheating Google never works in the end.

Why is it that people that can't provide the service always say it is cheating?

Don't you think there are companies out there that got screwed when the host crowding penalty was implemented?
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06-03-2007, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by bonkerz2007

Juicy is whoring some out and his sig will probably pop up shortly

If not - http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=12537031

So SEO hosting is basically hosting that has all/some of the common server side optimizations already done off the shelf. Maybe a better name would be SE Friendly hosting or SEO'd Hosting.

Alot of the optimizations can be done by .htaccess but an important one has to be offered by the hosting company which is a site specific ip address. This allows your site to be seen independently from other sites on a server.

If there's two sites on the same ip address and one is constanly using blackhat techniques then SE's will view all sites that are theme related at that ip address as offenders. Of course there's exceptions to the rule but that's the rule of thumb. With your own ip address your site is judged by itself.

Here's more details: http://newsletter.blizzardinternet.c...ge/2007/05/11/

Stop using my name to get views

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06-03-2007, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by kane

I have read people like Matt Cutts saying you can actually have multiple sites sharing IPs as long as you don't work the same keywords for them.

We always tell our clients that they don't need an individual IP if the sites are not related, and you are not interlinking them.
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06-03-2007, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by Phil21

#3. Hosts will just run out of IP's

They are a commodity, no doubt about that.

We will never share IP's among our clients, however, we always recommend they share them among themselves if it makes sense (ie: many domains, promoting various products).

When we run out, we run out until we can get more.
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06-03-2007, 03:29 PM

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#3. Hosts will just run out of IP's

They are a commodity, no doubt about that.

We will never share IP's among our clients, however, we always recommend they share them among themselves if it makes sense (ie: many domains, promoting various products).

When we run out, we run out until we can get more.
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06-03-2007, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by Phil21

#3. Hosts will just run out of IP's

They are a commodity, no doubt about that.

We will never share IP's among our clients, however, we always recommend they share them among themselves if it makes sense (ie: many domains, promoting various products).

When we run out, we run out until we can get more.
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06-03-2007, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by Juicy D. Links

Stop using my name to get views

Second if you have to ask what it is or does then you have no need for it

i actually thought i was doing you a favor by mentioning your thread. i guess i just learned that was a bad thing. your name wasn't it the title so i don't know how that would help me get views. i'm guessing that the second half of that post wasn't directed at me since i answered the question presented in the title.

i'm really not here to get on anyone's shit list so i'll keep your name out of my posts. sorry
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06-03-2007, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by Juicy D. Links

Second if you have to ask what it is or does then you have no need for it

That is pretty accurate.
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06-03-2007, 05:40 PM

every host will provide multiple class c ip's if you ask for it, it's not something unique or whatever.
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06-03-2007, 08:15 PM

Webair offers this setup. I haven't tried it yet so I can't tell you everything about it but I intend to.

I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...

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06-03-2007, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by nico-t

every host will provide multiple class c ip's if you ask for it, it's not something unique or whatever.

no they dont.. a few do , most either dont or charge and arm and a leg thats why you have it included in the price

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06-03-2007, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by nico-t

every host will provide multiple class c ip's if you ask for it, it's not something unique or whatever.

not true...alot of resellers can't offer it b/c of the way their reseller plan is setup.
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06-03-2007, 09:42 PM

- on the other hand, think its great that people like Baddog sell those ideas to people, so webmasters spend time on setting sites up, interlinking them and later getting sandbagged. It makes it so much more profitable for the rest of us in the long run.

It sound like a joke, but i think if you made a poll you would see that 80-90% of all webmasters think they are better than average when it comes to SEO - and properly everything else as well.

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06-03-2007, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by KimJI

- on the other hand, think its great that people like Baddog sell those ideas to people, so webmasters spend time on setting sites up, interlinking them and later getting sandbagged. It makes it so much more profitable for the rest of us in the long run.

It sound like a joke, but i think if you made a poll you would see that 80-90% of all webmasters think they are better than average when it comes to SEO - and properly everything else as well.
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06-03-2007, 09:57 PM

Definately more reasons than SEO to split up sites on different nameservers and IPs, and legit at that (not spamming.)
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06-04-2007, 04:28 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear

no they dont.. a few do , most either dont or charge and arm and a leg thats why you have it included in the price

the ones in my sig charge $1/month per extra IP (unique class c's ofcourse) so if i you want it pretty cheap get your ass to them

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06-04-2007, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by nico-t

the ones in my sig charge $1/month per extra IP (unique class c's ofcourse) so if i you want it pretty cheap get your ass to them

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Extra IP's carry a monthly fee, plus justification.
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