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  • iwantchixx
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Oct 2002
    • 12860

    #1

    RANT :: Single Girl Site Content

    Ok... this is directed at just a few of you. In fact, most of you have created great promo sets for webmasters to use and even some of you gave me full access to your sites to take whatever I wanted. For that I greatly thank you.. you have made my job so much damn easier.

    However... those who aren't recieving praise in this thread need a little heads up on something.

    Not all webmasters are gallery monkeys who just post the sets all over the TGPs and pray for a sale. Some of us work the content as much as we can. Now... here's the problem. What are 15 pictures of the same pose but slightly different angle going to accomplish? Or when it takes 15 pics to go from fully covered top to a nipple peak.. all in same camera position each taken within 12 miliseconds!

    Now if a webmaster is annoyed with this, imagine a 'POTENTIAL' paying customer..... You don't have to give away the whole farm but show some variety.

    Also... I look at some tours and there are no mentions of what is inside.. these offenders are the same offenders of 12 milisecond pauses between pics... so I have to go out of my way to find a leaked pass just to sneak in for a few minutes to get an idea of what the girl does inside so I can tell your potential customers (rare case I do this) or I have to waste your time on ICQ asking about the member's area. Again... how would a potential paying customer percieve this? Probably not too good. It just takes text man... just text. Even a paragraph added right bellow your design header to tell the surfers what the girl does inside. Just graphical text saying "I get naughty inside" is not going to do it.

    /rant
  • DateDoc
    Outside looking in.
    • Feb 2005
    • 14243

    #2
    haha, I like the galleries where only 1 or 2 pics are switched out to make it different. Also, can you please put the fucking watermark where it will not interfere with a thumbnial please! Thanks.

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    • pradaboy
      sell me your banners
      • Dec 2003
      • 12931

      #3
      You're right on the spot, I noticed a few of these 12ms scenes as well... annoying as fuck
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      • MikeyFingaz
        Confirmed User
        • Aug 2005
        • 1569

        #4
        very good points all the way around... please keep em coming... i for one would like to know what affiliates would like to see from the content provided to you as far as making your jobs easier... nice post:

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        • MaDalton
          I am Amazing Content!
          • Feb 2004
          • 39861

          #5
          happens when content is done by someone who got a digital camera for christmas and then decides his female fuckfriend would make a good model and he could try to make some bucks with her...

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          • iwantchixx
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Oct 2002
            • 12860

            #6
            Originally posted by MaDalton
            happens when content is done by someone who got a digital camera for christmas and then decides his female fuckfriend would make a good model and he could try to make some bucks with her...

            Surprisingly no, they tend to make better content. Seriously.

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            • iwantchixx
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Oct 2002
              • 12860

              #7
              Originally posted by MikeyFingaz
              very good points all the way around... please keep em coming... i for one would like to know what affiliates would like to see from the content provided to you as far as making your jobs easier... nice post:

              I have had no problems with your content that I can recall

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              • iwantchixx
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • Oct 2002
                • 12860

                #8
                Bump in hopes of the offending parties seeing this

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                • jact
                  Confirmed User
                  • Sep 2002
                  • 9134

                  #9
                  I always loved when the provided content was like 300x400 resolution. Who's gunna use that? Really?
                  Free agent

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                  • beemk
                    CLICK HERE
                    • Jan 2002
                    • 20829

                    #10
                    I host with Vacares

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                    • Audrey
                      Confirmed User
                      • Nov 2004
                      • 343

                      #11
                      I agree, I was an affiliate before starting my cash program and thats how I learned whats good and whats not. Also in the single market, very few sponsors were offering content zips.

                      So whenever I add a content zip to my cash program, I handpick all the best shots. It takes more time but its worth it I think

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                      • LexiLexxx
                        Confirmed User
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 2510

                        #12
                        Great post for so many people involved.

                        Photographer
                        webmaster
                        affiliates
                        Models/content

                        ect..

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                        • LiveDose
                          Show Yer Tits!
                          • Feb 2002
                          • 25792

                          #13
                          Great thread.

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                          • KCat
                            Confirmed User
                            • Sep 2002
                            • 2204

                            #14
                            I don't get that either. People are constantly posting sets with 100+ photos in them of just a single stripping out of her outfit. WTF?

                            If I signed up for a site that advertised "OVER 5,000 exclusive pics inside!" & that worked out to 30 huge sets with hardly any difference from shot to shot, I'd be pissed.

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                            • LadyMischief
                              Orgasms N Such!
                              • Sep 2002
                              • 18135

                              #15
                              Originally posted by BusterPorn
                              haha, I like the galleries where only 1 or 2 pics are switched out to make it different. Also, can you please put the fucking watermark where it will not interfere with a thumbnial please! Thanks.

                              Learn to cut good thumbs ;)

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                              • Mr.Right - Banned For Life
                                I guarantee it
                                • May 2005
                                • 18314

                                #16
                                Originally posted by beemk




                                Dont promote them then, the photographer is always going to keep snapping in a shoot, to obtian different poses and different looks, i think it is fine.

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                                • iwantchixx
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • Oct 2002
                                  • 12860

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Batts


                                  Dont promote them then, the photographer is always going to keep snapping in a shoot, to obtian different poses and different looks, i think it is fine.
                                  well duh... but don;t base an entire promo set of 30 seconds of it and fail to tell potential customers what lies inside the site as well.

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                                  • KCat
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Sep 2002
                                    • 2204

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Batts


                                    Dont promote them then, the photographer is always going to keep snapping in a shoot, to obtian different poses and different looks, i think it is fine.
                                    Keep snapping, but use the delete key to edit some of 'em out before you post it in the members area. 5 pics of the exact same pose & just a slight head tilt? Are they hoping members will fall asleep & forget to cancel??

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                                    • Paul Markham
                                      Too old to care
                                      • Jun 2001
                                      • 52942

                                      #19
                                      How the fuck is the sponsor getting a set of 100 to 150 images with 15 of them similar? This should not be possible, let alone be a problem for the affiliates.

                                      The problem arises because of the respect paid to the product we sell and the people we sell to.

                                      No other business would put as little thought to it's product and to it's clients as this business does. That's a generalisation but please don't come up with 5 examples of people who don't think that way to contradict the other 5,000.

                                      Think about it for 5 minutes, how much money, time and effort is spent on the product we sell and how much on gettin the surfer to see it?

                                      I would say the balance is very heavy in favour of showing the product. The viewer see something he's not impressed with and moves on. The sponsor thinks the solution is more traffic and spends more time on traffic than converting the people he is already getting.

                                      Some sponsors see the solution to low affiliate activity/traffic as "get more affiliates" when it could be simply get the ones you have working for you.

                                      But then many sponsors think the most important thing about content is the price they pay. We get asked to shoot exclusive, quote and then see the job given to people who to be honest could not shoot porn to save their lives, because they were cheaper. If they can't can't convert/retain more surfers and affiliates with better content then ask yourself what they will do with your traffic.

                                      There is no excuse for you not getting 20 softish shots of all different poses and NO SET SHOULD CONTAIN MORE THAN TWO IMAGES THE SAME OR THREE IMAGES SIMILAR but when you pay peanuts you get monkeys.

                                      There are over 25 basic poses, shoot half of them clothed, 2/3 semi naked and all naked. Then vary the angle of the model by turning her or by shooting different side of your lights. Then add "PINK", fingers and vibrator insrtion and you have over 200 differnet pictures with absolutely no problems.

                                      As I said at the beginning how is the sponsor able to give you 15 poses the same?

                                      But then I blame the sponsors, how many affiliates only sign up based on the % figure and the freebies?



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                                      • Paul Markham
                                        Too old to care
                                        • Jun 2001
                                        • 52942

                                        #20
                                        This is how the thumbs spread on a good set should like. These are half the thumbs, every other one picked by the program.

                                        http://www.paulmarkham.com/details.php?id=1987

                                        http://www.paulmarkham.com/details.php?id=1896

                                        http://www.paulmarkham.com/details.php?id=9514

                                        Just a few sets picked from the top of the list, so why is your sponsor able to give you 15 to 20 similar shots?

                                        Answer; Pay peanuts, get monkeys.
                                        Last edited by Paul Markham; 10-30-2005, 09:15 PM.



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                                        • Servhot
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Jan 2005
                                          • 187

                                          #21
                                          Paul Markham (09:58) :
                                          http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=534290

                                          Interesting thread I killed.
                                          Can't see it's killed, just can see you went it into the wrong direction.
                                          @iwantchixx is right as long as he is using content from sponsors and is making sales for them. So do not do to make us thinking you are professional Paul, you are just a photogrpaher
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                                          • MikeyFingaz
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Aug 2005
                                            • 1569

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by iwantchixx
                                            I have had no problems with your content that I can recall
                                            thanx, i know that jayman is pretty good at photography... i am still learning though...

                                            i would still like to hear what affiliates have to say as far as what they like and dont like about what programs offer as far as promotional content...

                                            ... i am looking at this particular thread as a good learning tool for myself, not only now, but in the future as well.

                                            ONLY AT JAYMANCASH

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                                            • Zuzana Designs
                                              All Your Design Needs
                                              • Feb 2005
                                              • 20908

                                              #23
                                              I don't think enough thought is put into content...it's all about traffic, etc. Yes, this is vital to the success of a site, but it's wasted traffic if what the surfer is looking at has been plastered all over the web.People don't understand that content is an investment just like any other thing in this business. You get what you pay for. If you buy shitty content, you'll get shitty sales...some programs are so quick to get crappy sites up so they can make their money and don't think about the long term benifits of a good investment. The more "smart investing" programs and webmasters alike apply, the better the results will be for everyone.

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                                              • Paul Markham
                                                Too old to care
                                                • Jun 2001
                                                • 52942

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Servhot
                                                Can't see it's killed, just can see you went it into the wrong direction.
                                                @iwantchixx is right as long as he is using content from sponsors and is making sales for them. So do not do to make us thinking you are professional Paul, you are just a photogrpaher
                                                The discussion was about a sponsor delivering 15 pictures to an affiliate to promote his site.

                                                I looked beyond that and asked how does a photographer manage to shoot 15 pictures, out of 100 to 150, in the same or similar pose?

                                                Then what is the sponsor thinking when he buys the content and when he hands it out to affiliates?

                                                Maybe it's all about getting as many views as possible, for me it's about getting as many conversions as possible from the same number of views.

                                                My suggestion is that the sponsor is buying on price from guys who do not know what they are doing. Because with all the basic poses, angles and progression it would be impossible to shoot a set like that. But then I grew up selling to a far tougher market than the Internet.

                                                No I'm not a photographer, that's an insult to guys who are, I'm a pornographer and thats a different thing.



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                                                • iwantchixx
                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                  • 12860

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by MikeyFingaz
                                                  thanx, i know that jayman is pretty good at photography... i am still learning though...

                                                  i would still like to hear what affiliates have to say as far as what they like and dont like about what programs offer as far as promotional content...

                                                  ... i am looking at this particular thread as a good learning tool for myself, not only now, but in the future as well.
                                                  The problem is that with a lot of the semi-nude and non-nude content packs available to affiliates of some programs, the poses tend to go from clothed to a little bit of cleavage and the only difference in the pictures is the movement of the fabric covering the cleavage.Its all the same angle,same smile,and creating custom text in situations like this is like trying to say the same thing 400 times without repeating yourself.

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                                                  • Paul Markham
                                                    Too old to care
                                                    • Jun 2001
                                                    • 52942

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by MikeyFingaz
                                                    thanx, i know that jayman is pretty good at photography... i am still learning though...

                                                    i would still like to hear what affiliates have to say as far as what they like and dont like about what programs offer as far as promotional content...

                                                    ... i am looking at this particular thread as a good learning tool for myself, not only now, but in the future as well.
                                                    Here is what we give affiliates. We might go a bit stronger than a lot of people say. But the spread of shots shows the porn buyer we can shoot.

                                                    http://www.paulmarkhamcash.com/gallery/big-tit-teen/

                                                    http://www.paulmarkhamcash.com/galle...-teen-fucking/

                                                    http://www.paulmarkhamcash.com/galle...hoolgirl-fuck/

                                                    My argument is simple, giving an affiliate less than the best possible tools is harming his effectiveness. Which will lead to him moving on.



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                                                    • iwantchixx
                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                      • 12860

                                                      #27
                                                      I think Paul has a point tho... it's the lack of money going into the content to begin with causing them to be left with very repetative content. Not only that... in cases of the offending sites the content sets in the members are are roughly 24-30 pics a set mostly all the same. So definately either lack of money put into it or just plain lack of experience. What a lot of webmasters dont realize is that what makes them hard, won't make the masses hard. The content needs variety to be worth a dime.

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                                                      • KCat
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Sep 2002
                                                        • 2204

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                        Here is what we give affiliates. We might go a bit stronger than a lot of people say. But the spread of shots shows the porn buyer we can shoot.

                                                        http://www.paulmarkhamcash.com/gallery/big-tit-teen/
                                                        This is a great example of interesting variation from image to image.

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                                                        • Wiggles
                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                          • May 2004
                                                          • 14423

                                                          #29
                                                          similar poses really get me off!
                                                          no sig

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                                                          • Paul Markham
                                                            Too old to care
                                                            • Jun 2001
                                                            • 52942

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by iwantchixx
                                                            I think Paul has a point tho... it's the lack of money going into the content to begin with causing them to be left with very repetative content. Not only that... in cases of the offending sites the content sets in the members are are roughly 24-30 pics a set mostly all the same. So definately either lack of money put into it or just plain lack of experience. What a lot of webmasters dont realize is that what makes them hard, won't make the masses hard. The content needs variety to be worth a dime.
                                                            You have sites like ATK paying $150 a set and shooters saying they can shoot 10 sets in half a day. What do you expect?

                                                            An average good set takes 30 minutes to shoot. Then the model needs to rest and get herself in the mood again, tea or coffee is good here, lights need moving and resetting, models needs re dressing and you're off again. Tough thing to do when the client is spending $150.

                                                            This is a great example of interesting variation from image to image.
                                                            This is our norm and by clicking on the thumbs on the content store you see what we deliver.

                                                            The end result is you get better ratios. Same hits, different response.



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                                                            • webaddict
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Jun 2005
                                                              • 443

                                                              #31
                                                              Paul Markham definatly knows what hes doing and his content is some of the best one thing for sure is if I ever needed any or wanted to start my own paysite he would be the guy i'd go to for help!

                                                              hes been in the biz for many years and has many contacts so like i said if anyone knows what there doing its definatly him and incase any of you havent seen his web site yet its http://www.paulmarkham.com !
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                                                              • Doctor Dre
                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                • Jan 2001
                                                                • 51692

                                                                #32
                                                                Way too many paysites only put work into video content
                                                                Originally posted by rayadp05
                                                                I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                                                                • Paul Markham
                                                                  Too old to care
                                                                  • Jun 2001
                                                                  • 52942

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by stephen86
                                                                  Paul Markham definatly knows what hes doing and his content is some of the best one thing for sure is if I ever needed any or wanted to start my own paysite he would be the guy i'd go to for help!

                                                                  hes been in the biz for many years and has many contacts so like i said if anyone knows what there doing its definatly him and incase any of you havent seen his web site yet its http://www.paulmarkham.com !
                                                                  Thanks for the compliments.

                                                                  Many look on this business as one of numbers x price. Except the guy we are selling to.



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