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Originally Posted by allanuk
A few years ago, there seemed to be a very much pro Bush and pro war feeling from most of you in the USA, almost not beliving that others outside the USA thought it wrong.
So how do you feel now?
In the UK, I think 80% or more are against the war and glad Blair is now going.
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You remember the day that Colin Powell was used as the dummy to present what was described as "evidence" to the UN? That was prob the last straw in a lack of credibility in the US admin.
It never did need *any* security service or intelligence to know this was a charade. Even the photographs presented as "evidence" had already been published and discounted by press on the ground at these locations.
Will always remember a two second reaction in a CNN press interview with Hans Blick within days prior to the invasion, when he was asked "When US troops invade, do you think Iraqi troops will use nuclear weapons?" The guy stopped for a second, obviously stunned that he was being asked this stupid question - then smiled and answered with a hint of sarcasm, "No, I don't think they will somehow". It was already well-known the whole charade was a farce.
Hell.. can even remember predicting while Rummy's bullshit "Shock and Awe" was in progress that this will be yet another "Vietnam" - and ... low and behold... Intelligence services must be very severely mentally incapacitated to not have a clue of this already - but don't think they were not aware, just in the land of nod and with very little clue of the "way it is" in that region (still think they are totally clueless on this).
OK.. my
- the instigators of the Iraq scenario are accountable. They are responsible for the severe hardship, death and injuries of many people (on both sides). I'd go as far to say their action was far worse than any serial killer. There is also the economic cost to their own countries - that has got to be one of the biggest economic disasters ever. Again - they are responsible - no one else.
Equally, both the US and the UK have no business whatsover in the Middle East - they should not even be there. The UK has had a history of screwing up that region and the newcomer on the block (US) has done the same, but with slightly different agenda - the current one being greed and screwing more oil from the region. Bets on, that will never happen.
There are wars and wars - most have been "honorable wars" and had fairly universal support. The other kind, such as in Iraq, are both dishonorable and repugnant to any civilized person. Ultimately, there is a "real cost" to this and I'd have total sympathy for the victims in that real cost (they are usually innocent people) - but always remember who are the main culpable parties. For these people, I have not one ounce of sympathy - they deserve an equal dose of the hell they created for others.
I think it's called karma
