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  • woj
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    • Jul 2002
    • 47880
    #301
    300 pissed off AshCash affiliates...

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      • DeanCapture
        Haters & Trolls SUCK!
        • Dec 2002
        • 9275
        #302
        We've had our differences Mutt...but I am truely sorry to hear about this mess
        Twitter: @DeanCapture
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        DeanCapture "at" Gmail.com

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          • venus
            Confirmed User
            • Jan 2003
            • 3112
            #303
            I tell you what this sounds like, and this is comming from soeone who gets emails from guys all day long for the last 8 years of doing this, but dont take it wrong.
            the way you say things and what you say sounds like you were infactuated with her. You either had a relationship with her or wanted one. Everything you say is about her and how you want her to do so good and you get upset if you thought she was going to sink herself, and it was not over money because you were not paid, so it sounds like there were some serious issues you may have had with her. Not healthy in a business relationship...but then it was not really a business relationship since mutt was not paid paid.
            this is just an outside obervation, not ment to ruffle any feathers.


            Originally posted by Mutt
            i
            * she is 'special'.
            *I watched with an ever growing sick feeling in my stomach watch her begin to just let it all go down the drain.
            * And I never gave up
            Muscle/Fitness Adult Affiliate Program
            Since 1997 www.venuscash.com

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              • wyldblyss
                Confirmed User
                • Nov 2003
                • 5779
                #304
                Ok, I have wasted a lot of time reading this thread, and I still can't figure out what the fucking problem is and why it can't be worked out.

                1. Find a solution so those that joined through CCBill can continue to be rebilled and affiliates get their cut.
                2. Ashley pays Mutt for design, and all content he owns and continues to use it so that the site stays up.
                3. Ashley gets off of her sweet little rump and attends her cam shows without fail and any other obligations she has with members and keeping in touch with affiliates.
                4. If she has not learned HTML and photoshop and has no desire to do so, she can hire and HTML jocky for XXX $'s a month to keep her site updated.
                5. Ashley should pay Mutt a certain amount over a period of time for the work, time and expense he incurred getting her program up and running.
                6. Ashley is a smart girl and needs to put herself on a schedule just like any other "job". Her site *is* her job and it is very easy to always say "tomorrow I will do more, next week will be much better". All of us webmasters I am sure have been through that, it is hard to stay motivated...and you need to learn to treat it as a job...doing it when you don't feel like doing it.

                Mutt: I understand what you were trying to do for her. No excuse for her not shooting content. I can see her disinterest in the HTML/photoshop...it certainly is not for anyone. Many business owners hire that work out, and it is not a "bad" thing if she does, nor is it irresponsible. Not getting content shot is irresponsible though as well as ignoring affiliates and not cancelling cam shows.

                Ashley: Very few girls your age can make the kind of money you have been making at your age. Hell, very few make it at any age. Life is short, time flies and opportunities do not last forever. Time to sit down, get yourself a schedule and stick to it. You will not believe the relief you will feel when you stop avoiding the things you need to do and just "get them done and out of the way". Hell, you can spend one weekend a month shooting content like crazy that will be enough for updates for the entire month. Farm out what you are not good at or not interested in. Things like cam shows etc. are only once a week or so, they are quickly over and keeping your members happy keeps your income high. *YOU* are the business, market yourself well and learn from your mistakes and don't make them again.

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                  • tony299
                    lurker
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 57021
                    #305
                    Originally posted by Mutt
                    it's a long long story. and when it began i had no idea how much help Ashley would need - remember this is a girl who worked with another program before she was given the opportunity to have her own site and program and was NOT happy because she was not making enough money. I should not have had to do all that I did - Ashley left me no choice - I either took the responsibility work and money wise or she would have no site - i took a leap of faith that she was sincere in what she wanted and what she was ready to make the sacrifice to get it. From September 12th 2004 until the end of December - the best Ashley could come up with was 13 photosets and a few short videos. Ans she was still asking me when her site could be launched. I offered to fly her out to LA to spend a week shooting with my partner Marco Pallotti on my tab - a $5000 tab, Marco does not work cheap - I was told 'I'm tired'. I urged her to find a local photographer - look for one, put up an ad on the campus bulletin board - nothing. In December I had almost convinced Marco to fly into Kansas during Christmas to get her enough content shot to launch her website. That fell through. In January Ashley was going to Vegas for a week to work a booth for MensNiche - I arranged for Marco who was going to be in Vegas at the same time to shoot her twice during that week - both Marco and I waited 7 days for a phonecall or email from Ashley that would never arrive.

                    As far as what I expected - the only thing I expected was for Ashley to work 6 hours a day 5 days a week trying to become a webmaster and to succeed by HER work NOT mine - to this day Ashley cannot make a simple HTML page nor a simple graphic in Photoshop. I tried and tried - I woke Ashley up at the crack of noon one day in December to scold her - and all I got was 'How rude of you!'. I even went so far as overnighting her books from Amazon on HTML and Photoshop in January. I begged her to show me some sample HTML pages - for her not to be embarassed - just show me she was trying. Nothing.

                    and so it went.................
                    First if she was unmotivated why would you care if she had a site or not? Why begging and pleading with someone who didn't want to work? She didn't want to shoot for her site and you continued working with her for free. I don't know you .I have no doubt your a really nice guy but I have a feeling someone was extremely infatuated with someone. The reason I know this is because I have been there myself. The minute she did nothing and you kept coming back it was over man, people don't respect what they don't have to earn.

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                      • Mutt
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • Sep 2002
                        • 34431
                        #306
                        Originally posted by venus
                        I tell you what this sounds like, and this is comming from soeone who gets emails from guys all day long for the last 8 years of doing this, but dont take it wrong.
                        the way you say things and what you say sounds like you were infactuated with her. You either had a relationship with her or wanted one. Everything you say is about her and how you want her to do so good and you get upset if you thought she was going to sink herself, and it was not over money because you were not paid, so it sounds like there were some serious issues you may have had with her. Not healthy in a business relationship...but then it was not really a business relationship since mutt was not paid paid.
                        this is just an outside obervation, not ment to ruffle any feathers.
                        sorry - i'm not one of those guys who joins your website or any model's website - there is a boyfriend involved in this story who is a FRIEND now of mine - you can ask him about me.

                        zero interest in Ashley on my part 'that way' - is she adorable? yes. cute? yes. I will dump 14 months of ICQ with her - I treated this girl more like a daughter than anything else. A daughter who behaves badly.

                        By the time the site launched and was doing well but she was doing even less and less my WISH was that she would find somebody in this industry as a BF - a BF who would understand that this is a job, a business, just like any other business in a mall or an office building. I hoped it might even be my photographer John - there was some chemisty there.

                        theory is wrong.
                        I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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                          • Mako
                            Confirmed User
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 1986
                            #307
                            Two issues here:

                            1. Mutt's committment to this girl. That I don't care about, up to him if he wants to be that guy who hopes on a star that someday the girl gets JUST drunk enough to let him bang her. That's his deal. What he did was charity, the reasons for which are purely his own. Likely it was for ass, which is a shame. You should have thrown him a bone Ashley, it wouldn't kill you and you'd likely own his ass after.

                            2. Ashley Brookes fucking her affiliates out of $$$. Now that is insane, and with no real background in marketing/advertising/promotion to fall back on (nor the funds to do run a true multi-level campaign), she'll never get back to whatever level she was at in terms of gross rev a few months ago. Crazy, but a good lesson for her.

                            Next time, before pulling the plug and thinking "I'm hot, I'm special, I can turn any site into a gold mine, screw this" I'm sure she'll instead say "Shit...how can I work this out..."
                            Last edited by Mako; 10-23-2005, 04:58 PM.

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                              • RogerV
                                Banned!
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 12591
                                #308
                                Originally posted by wyldblyss
                                Ok, I have wasted a lot of time reading this thread, and I still can't figure out what the fucking problem is and why it can't be worked out.

                                1. Find a solution so those that joined through CCBill can continue to be rebilled and affiliates get their cut.
                                2. Ashley pays Mutt for design, and all content he owns and continues to use it so that the site stays up.
                                3. Ashley gets off of her sweet little rump and attends her cam shows without fail and any other obligations she has with members and keeping in touch with affiliates.
                                4. If she has not learned HTML and photoshop and has no desire to do so, she can hire and HTML jocky for XXX $'s a month to keep her site updated.
                                5. Ashley should pay Mutt a certain amount over a period of time for the work, time and expense he incurred getting her program up and running.
                                6. Ashley is a smart girl and needs to put herself on a schedule just like any other "job". Her site *is* her job and it is very easy to always say "tomorrow I will do more, next week will be much better". All of us webmasters I am sure have been through that, it is hard to stay motivated...and you need to learn to treat it as a job...doing it when you don't feel like doing it.

                                Mutt: I understand what you were trying to do for her. No excuse for her not shooting content. I can see her disinterest in the HTML/photoshop...it certainly is not for anyone. Many business owners hire that work out, and it is not a "bad" thing if she does, nor is it irresponsible. Not getting content shot is irresponsible though as well as ignoring affiliates and not cancelling cam shows.

                                Ashley: Very few girls your age can make the kind of money you have been making at your age. Hell, very few make it at any age. Life is short, time flies and opportunities do not last forever. Time to sit down, get yourself a schedule and stick to it. You will not believe the relief you will feel when you stop avoiding the things you need to do and just "get them done and out of the way". Hell, you can spend one weekend a month shooting content like crazy that will be enough for updates for the entire month. Farm out what you are not good at or not interested in. Things like cam shows etc. are only once a week or so, they are quickly over and keeping your members happy keeps your income high. *YOU* are the business, market yourself well and learn from your mistakes and don't make them again.
                                Please do you really think she is going to change and if she does i don't think she will be able to run a buisness from what I read. I bet she has no clue where to begin.

                                Someone else will just take her money and she will be in the ssame boat over and over.

                                I can see how Mutt tried to help her succeed.

                                From what I have learned in the past is I only help people I see put in the time and those who have the Drive to suceed.. 1 out 0f 50 of my friends actually can take the bull by its horns and are now Successful

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                                  • RogerV
                                    Banned!
                                    • Jul 2002
                                    • 12591
                                    #309
                                    Originally posted by tony404
                                    First if she was unmotivated why would you care if she had a site or not? Why begging and pleading with someone who didn't want to work? She didn't want to shoot for her site and you continued working with her for free. I don't know you .I have no doubt your a really nice guy but I have a feeling someone was extremely infatuated with someone. The reason I know this is because I have been there myself. The minute she did nothing and you kept coming back it was over man, people don't respect what they don't have to earn.

                                    Totaly agree with

                                    "people don't respect what they don't have to earn"

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                                      • xlogger
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Jul 2004
                                        • 9507
                                        #310
                                        Man, get this shit over with.

                                        This little girl is a spoiled little bitch. Sell her your content for a really high price and let her do what ever the fuck she wants.

                                        DONE AND DONE.

                                        ----------
                                        XLOGGER [REFLECTED] [OH]

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                                          • Mutt
                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                            • Sep 2002
                                            • 34431
                                            #311
                                            i'm almost done with this thread. There are THREE - count em - THREE people in this industry who REALLY know Ashley - and BradM ain't one of them. There's me, Aron Simpson and John Emslie. That's it. Aron and I posted here - John spent a total of 15 days alone with her - the second half of that time in his home and studio - I had to spend the next 2 months repairing that relationship because I thought she might be needing his help again. And of course 2 days ago - she did.
                                            I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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                                              • RogerV
                                                Banned!
                                                • Jul 2002
                                                • 12591
                                                #312
                                                Originally posted by xlogger
                                                Man, get this shit over with.

                                                This little girl is a spoiled little bitch. Sell her your content for a really high price and let her do what ever the fuck she wants.

                                                DONE AND DONE.

                                                I'm Old school and it has to do with respect.. Don't sell her the content let her do it on her own so she understands its not easy.

                                                Everyone wants to be a star or get rich if they reach that goal they fuck whoever helped them to get there. All I have to say to those people is

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                                                  • georgeyw
                                                    58008 53773
                                                    • Jul 2005
                                                    • 9865
                                                    #313
                                                    Interesting to note - ashley has NOT posted shit to this thread after the 2nd/3rd page.

                                                    I got this email and thought WTF? Now after reading 7 pages of a thread and still having nfi wtf went wrong I will NEVER EVER promote Ashley again.
                                                    TripleXPrint on Megan Fox
                                                    "I would STILL suck her pussy until her face caved in. And then blow her up and do it again!"

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                                                      • RogerV
                                                        Banned!
                                                        • Jul 2002
                                                        • 12591
                                                        #314
                                                        Originally posted by Mutt
                                                        i'm almost done with this thread. There are THREE - count em - THREE people in this industry who REALLY know Ashley - and BradM ain't one of them. There's me, Aron Simpson and John Emslie. That's it. Aron and I posted here - John spent a total of 15 days alone with her - the second half of that time in his home and studio - I had to spend the next 2 months repairing that relationship because I thought she might be needing his help again. And of course 2 days ago - she did.

                                                        You do need to change your sig though

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                                                          • Digipimp
                                                            BP4L OT DL
                                                            • Mar 2003
                                                            • 13481
                                                            #315
                                                            Don't worry maybe she'll follow the 2005 GFY business model, do fan signs every 2 weeks and webmasters will promote.

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                                                              • Tat2Jr
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Feb 2001
                                                                • 4882
                                                                #316
                                                                I can't believe how people are jumping all over Mutt in this thread...... Am I the ONLY one who remembers a site called Nikki Nevada? Mutt didn't send me any emails today telling me to take down my links.
                                                                NICHE MONEY >> Ass Worship • Panties • Solo Teen • Pantyhose
                                                                Serving up exclusive fetish sites since 1997!

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                                                                  • Mutt
                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                                    • 34431
                                                                    #317
                                                                    Originally posted by RogerV
                                                                    I'm Old school and it has to do with respect.. Don't sell her the content let her do it on her own so she understands its not easy.

                                                                    Everyone wants to be a star or get rich if they reach that goal they fuck whoever helped them to get there. All I have to say to those people is
                                                                    that content isn't going to be sold to her - or anybody else - IF anything is done with that content the proceeds will go to charity or webmasters. i'm sticking by my promise that I'm not making a dime off her ass.
                                                                    I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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                                                                      • Sly
                                                                        Let's do some business!
                                                                        • Sep 2004
                                                                        • 31380
                                                                        #318
                                                                        Ashley can't do weekly cam shows or create a constant webmaster presence for her affiliates. Without a webmaster, she is done. This is just another prime example of why help/handouts do not work.

                                                                        By the way, Mutt, next time you're looking for a webmaster/boyfriend for a cute model... give me a ring. ;-)
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                                                                          • Juicy D. Links
                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                            • Apr 2001
                                                                            • 122992
                                                                            #319
                                                                            Hi everyone

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                                                                              • Mutt
                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                • Sep 2002
                                                                                • 34431
                                                                                #320
                                                                                Originally posted by DeanCapture
                                                                                We've had our differences Mutt...but I am truely sorry to hear about this mess
                                                                                Dean our differences were very small - hit me up sometime. glad to see you working with Shap.
                                                                                I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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                                                                                  • Young
                                                                                    Bland for life
                                                                                    • Nov 2004
                                                                                    • 10468
                                                                                    #321
                                                                                    Originally posted by georgeyw
                                                                                    Interesting to note - ashley has NOT posted shit to this thread after the 2nd/3rd page.

                                                                                    I got this email and thought WTF? Now after reading 7 pages of a thread and still having nfi wtf went wrong I will NEVER EVER promote Ashley again.
                                                                                    I don't blame her.

                                                                                    Someone called her a c*nt amongst other things. why would she return to the thread?

                                                                                    Her affiliates know how to get in touch with her. GFY is not a mandatory requirement for her.
                                                                                    ★★★

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                                                                                      • divinity
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Jan 2005
                                                                                        • 1041
                                                                                        #322
                                                                                        Ashley, if you're even reading this, here's another vote to figuring out something for all the ccbill affiliates.. politics/opinions aside, it's a PITA to remove links and add new ones, and in most cases adding new ones won't happen after all the old ones are removed. But for the affiliates that are already pushing with CCBill urls, they don't have to do anything and you capitalize on all the work we've put in.
                                                                                        ICQ: 308-491-180

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                                                                                          • KRL
                                                                                            Entrepreneur
                                                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                                                            • 31429
                                                                                            #323
                                                                                            Originally posted by Mako
                                                                                            she'll never get back to whatever level she was at in terms of gross rev a few months ago.
                                                                                            Just like models are a dime a dozen on the Net, so are the number of male webmasters willing to "help" them for free. She'll be back up in no time.

                                                                                            Ashley has "that look" that sells. "That Look" never ever has a tough time finding whatever it needs to get whatever it wants.

                                                                                            A gorgeous young girl has complete power over men.
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                                                                                              • tony299
                                                                                                lurker
                                                                                                • Aug 2002
                                                                                                • 57021
                                                                                                #324
                                                                                                Originally posted by RogerV
                                                                                                I'm Old school and it has to do with respect.. Don't sell her the content let her do it on her own so she understands its not easy.

                                                                                                Everyone wants to be a star or get rich if they reach that goal they fuck whoever helped them to get there. All I have to say to those people is
                                                                                                Amen Paisan

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                                                                                                  • KRL
                                                                                                    Entrepreneur
                                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                                    • 31429
                                                                                                    #325
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Juicy D. Links
                                                                                                    Hi everyone
                                                                                                    So are you going to be her new Guido manager?

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                                                                                                      • Juicy D. Links
                                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                        • Apr 2001
                                                                                                        • 122992
                                                                                                        #326
                                                                                                        I think Mutt is a nice guy

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                                                                                                          • Juicy D. Links
                                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                            • Apr 2001
                                                                                                            • 122992
                                                                                                            #327
                                                                                                            Originally posted by KRL
                                                                                                            So are you going to be her new Guido manager?

                                                                                                            Nah man , I can barely manage myself since my assistance quit

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                                                                                                              • Mutt
                                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                • 34431
                                                                                                                #328
                                                                                                                Originally posted by KRL
                                                                                                                Just like models are a dime a dozen on the Net, so are the number of male webmasters willing to "help" them for free. She'll be back up in no time.

                                                                                                                Ashley has "that look" that sells. "That Look" never ever has a tough time finding whatever it needs to get whatever it wants.

                                                                                                                A gorgeous young girl has complete power over men.

                                                                                                                KRL - you have no idea how much work is involved in her little niche and how competitive it is - and why I kept on her almost daily to keep in touch with her affiliates and build stronger relationships with them.

                                                                                                                those who know ......... know. the girl will never recoup what she had - not doing softcore she won't. its what i warned her about 100 times or more - 'this is a once in a lifetime financial opportunity for you .................'

                                                                                                                i'm the guy who got her an exclusive contract offer from Penthouse magazine - that contract was worth a tenth of what she could be making if she had the drive and work ethic.
                                                                                                                I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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                                                                                                                  • DateDoc
                                                                                                                    Outside looking in.
                                                                                                                    • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                    • 14243
                                                                                                                    #329
                                                                                                                    FUCK! I just put up new links this morning.

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                                                                                                                      • Head_Hunter
                                                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                        • Aug 2005
                                                                                                                        • 907
                                                                                                                        #330
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by divinity
                                                                                                                        Ashley, if you're even reading this, here's another vote to figuring out something for all the ccbill affiliates.. politics/opinions aside, it's a PITA to remove links and add new ones, and in most cases adding new ones won't happen after all the old ones are removed. But for the affiliates that are already pushing with CCBill urls, they don't have to do anything and you capitalize on all the work we've put in.
                                                                                                                        Dont mutt hold the rights to all her content? If so this is gonna be a nightmare for everyone

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                                                                                                                          • Mutt
                                                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                            • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                            • 34431
                                                                                                                            #331
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Tat2Jr
                                                                                                                            I can't believe how people are jumping all over Mutt in this thread...... Am I the ONLY one who remembers a site called Nikki Nevada? Mutt didn't send me any emails today telling me to take down my links.

                                                                                                                            Why is it so hard for GFY people to believe, that people help people
                                                                                                                            without expecting sex or money in return. KARMA

                                                                                                                            I have gave advice to several people in the industry, and have NEVER asked
                                                                                                                            for anything in return. Niko, can vouch for me on this.

                                                                                                                            I seen all this coming from day one, but I think Mutt not did it to help, but also
                                                                                                                            lost a ton of money, that was to be re-paid. I know he never wanted a percent, or any cash, (beyond what was a loan), or a relationship. As far as I know Mutt has never even met Ashley.

                                                                                                                            I do know, that Mutt has pinned Ashley's character as exactly as the person she is....

                                                                                                                            Got Gauge aka Aron Simpson - owner TNACASH/NikkiNevada.com
                                                                                                                            __________________
                                                                                                                            I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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                                                                                                                              • Sly
                                                                                                                                Let's do some business!
                                                                                                                                • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                                • 31380
                                                                                                                                #332
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by KRL
                                                                                                                                Just like models are a dime a dozen on the Net, so are the number of male webmasters willing to "help" them for free. She'll be back up in no time.

                                                                                                                                Ashley has "that look" that sells. "That Look" never ever has a tough time finding whatever it needs to get whatever it wants.

                                                                                                                                A gorgeous young girl has complete power over men.
                                                                                                                                Yeh, she'll get "help"... from some moron making $500 monthly doing galleries hoping to get laid. Nobody with real knowledge is going to give her the true help she needs, they're too busy. One of the program owners would bring her into their program I'm sure, but they're going to want one of two things... a huge percentage or pussy... or both.
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                                                                                                                                  • KRL
                                                                                                                                    Entrepreneur
                                                                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                    • 31429
                                                                                                                                    #333
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Mutt
                                                                                                                                    KRL - you have no idea how much work is involved in her little niche and how competitive it is -
                                                                                                                                    I know. Had the exact same experience as you. I did two cam sites a few years ago. Got nothing but grief and aggravation and ended up saying forget this.

                                                                                                                                    But you have to acknowledge, young girls are just that, young girls. No disprect to Ashley, but to expect a lot of business wisdom from a 22 year old, Mutt, is ridiculous on your part. Come on. 22? Most entrepreneurs don't get all their experience down til their 30's if they started in their 20's.

                                                                                                                                    So I've been there done that and realized not to expect anything back when you help out young girls.
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                                                                                                                                      • KRL
                                                                                                                                        Entrepreneur
                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                        • 31429
                                                                                                                                        #334
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Sly
                                                                                                                                        Yeh, she'll get "help"... from some moron making $500 monthly doing galleries hoping to get laid. Nobody with real knowledge is going to give her the true help she needs, they're too busy. One of the program owners would bring her into their program I'm sure, but they're going to want one of two things... a huge percentage or pussy... or both.
                                                                                                                                        My crystal ball sees Ashley Lightspeed up next.

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                                                                                                                                          • Juicy D. Links
                                                                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                            • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                                            • 122992
                                                                                                                                            #335
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by KRL
                                                                                                                                            My crystal ball sees Ashley Lightspeed up next.


                                                                                                                                            Explain This??????????????????

                                                                                                                                            http://www.metacafe.com/watch/37292/...through_glass/

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                                                                                                                                              • Mutt
                                                                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                                                • 34431
                                                                                                                                                #336
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by KRL
                                                                                                                                                I know. Had the exact same experience as you. I did two cam sites a few years ago. Got nothing but grief and aggravation and ended up saying forget this.

                                                                                                                                                But you have to acknowledge, young girls are just that, young girls. No disprect to Ashley, but to expect a lot of business wisdom from a 22 year old, Mutt, is ridiculous on your part. Come on. 22? Most entrepreneurs don't get all their experience down til their 30's if they started in their 20's.

                                                                                                                                                So I've been there done that and realized not to expect anything back when you help out young girls.
                                                                                                                                                KRL, i really thought this girl was 'different'. There are some girls in this industry who do 'get it'. I've asked other webmasters who work with them, they are few and far between for sure but they do exist - I thought she was one of those girls. And no I wasn't that naive - whenever anybody would roll their eyeballs at me I'd allow that they could be right - only time would tell that.
                                                                                                                                                I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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                                                                                                                                                  • KRL
                                                                                                                                                    Entrepreneur
                                                                                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                    • 31429
                                                                                                                                                    #337
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Mutt
                                                                                                                                                    Why is it so hard for GFY people to believe, that people help people without expecting sex or money in return. KARMA
                                                                                                                                                    WTF???? Dude this is the Porn industry we're talking here.

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                                                                                                                                                      • tony299
                                                                                                                                                        lurker
                                                                                                                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                        • 57021
                                                                                                                                                        #338
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Mutt
                                                                                                                                                        Why is it so hard for GFY people to believe, that people help people
                                                                                                                                                        without expecting sex or money in return. KARMA
                                                                                                                                                        I can see if the person is motivated but beggiing and pleading someone who doesnt want to work to work and spending money on something that will give you no return and the person still isnt willing to do it.Thinking your going to save someone who doesnt want to be saved Thats not karma, its infatuation lol

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                                                                                                                                                          • CTL
                                                                                                                                                            Registered User
                                                                                                                                                            • Apr 2004
                                                                                                                                                            • 48
                                                                                                                                                            #339
                                                                                                                                                            The moral of the story?

                                                                                                                                                            Keep your bitches in check.

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                                                                                                                                                              • bigdog
                                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                                • 6964
                                                                                                                                                                #340
                                                                                                                                                                so mutt you have never met ashley in person?

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                                                                                                                                                                  • DVTimes
                                                                                                                                                                    xxx
                                                                                                                                                                    • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                                                    • 31650
                                                                                                                                                                    #341
                                                                                                                                                                    Not sure Ashley if you can understand how much problems removing the links are to some webmasters.

                                                                                                                                                                    I shall not promote you from now on. Not because I am being nasty, but simply as I do not have the time to mess about.
                                                                                                                                                                    XXX

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                                                                                                                                                                      • SomeCreep
                                                                                                                                                                        :glugglug
                                                                                                                                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                                        • 26118
                                                                                                                                                                        #342
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by KRL
                                                                                                                                                                        My crystal ball sees Ashley Lightspeed up next.

                                                                                                                                                                        Steve already has an Ashley

                                                                                                                                                                        http://www.ashleylightspeed.com

                                                                                                                                                                        Webair Hosting

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                                                                                                                                                                          • Mutt
                                                                                                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                            • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                                                                            • 34431
                                                                                                                                                                            #343
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by bigdog
                                                                                                                                                                            so mutt you have never met ashley in person?
                                                                                                                                                                            nope and no plans to.

                                                                                                                                                                            all i told Ashley since May I want or needed was a 10 minute daily ICQ update about how things were going with the site and she could hit me up or email me with any questions or problems she had.

                                                                                                                                                                            that's it.
                                                                                                                                                                            I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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                                                                                                                                                                              • Head_Hunter
                                                                                                                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                • Aug 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                • 907
                                                                                                                                                                                #344
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Mutt
                                                                                                                                                                                that content isn't going to be sold to her - or anybody else - IF anything is done with that content the proceeds will go to charity or webmasters. i'm sticking by my promise that I'm not making a dime off her ass.
                                                                                                                                                                                So you are the one basicly causeing the problem for all the afilliates. This all could be simply fix sell the girl here shit and move on. You threw in the towel and now you wanna bitch about her this and that.

                                                                                                                                                                                Smooth move guy you say you don' care about makin $ but you fuckinin us but hey thats ok. Shit gets forgiven but not forgotin.....

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Darkland
                                                                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                    • May 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 1488
                                                                                                                                                                                    #345
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Mutt
                                                                                                                                                                                    i'm almost done with this thread. There are THREE - count em - THREE people in this industry who REALLY know Ashley - and BradM ain't one of them. There's me, Aron Simpson and John Emslie. That's it. Aron and I posted here - John spent a total of 15 days alone with her - the second half of that time in his home and studio - I had to spend the next 2 months repairing that relationship because I thought she might be needing his help again. And of course 2 days ago - she did.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Thats 4 actually. I just stay outta the spotlight and I doubt anyone knows that I am co-owner with Aron. But she is def. up to here same old tricks, if she is doing the same shit she did with us then she is obviously not planning on changing her ways anytime soon. How many chances does she expect to get, burn enough bridges and it soon becomes hard to build new ones. I wonder how many peoples ICQ's she is burning up trying to find new friends and suckers. Heads up guys, when she gets what she wants you will be dropped like a bad habit.

                                                                                                                                                                                    John


                                                                                                                                                                                    "The towers are gone now, reduced to bloody rubble, along with all hopes for Peace in Our Time, in the United States or any other country. Make no mistake about it: We are At War now -- with somebody -- and we will stay At War with that mysterious Enemy for the rest of our lives." H.S.T. 09/12/01

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • nnweb
                                                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                        • Apr 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 725
                                                                                                                                                                                        #346
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Head_Hunter
                                                                                                                                                                                        So you are the one basicly causeing the problem for all the afilliates. This all could be simply fix sell the girl here shit and move on. You threw in the towel and now you wanna bitch about her this and that.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Smooth move guy you say you don' care about makin $ but you fuckinin us but hey thats ok. Shit gets forgiven but not forgotin.....
                                                                                                                                                                                        bullshit

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • venus
                                                                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                            • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 3112
                                                                                                                                                                                            #347
                                                                                                                                                                                            I do not know what her website bills are, but mine are about 10k a month...every month.
                                                                                                                                                                                            that does not include all the federal tax stuff I have to pay every quarter.


                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Mutt
                                                                                                                                                                                            what bills are you talking about? bills associated with running a website? puh-leeze - inconsequential
                                                                                                                                                                                            Muscle/Fitness Adult Affiliate Program
                                                                                                                                                                                            Since 1997 www.venuscash.com

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • GotGauge
                                                                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                • Nov 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 3072
                                                                                                                                                                                                #348
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by venus
                                                                                                                                                                                                I tell you what this sounds like, and this is comming from soeone who gets emails from guys all day long for the last 8 years of doing this, but dont take it wrong.
                                                                                                                                                                                                the way you say things and what you say sounds like you were infactuated with her. You either had a relationship with her or wanted one. Everything you say is about her and how you want her to do so good and you get upset if you thought she was going to sink herself, and it was not over money because you were not paid, so it sounds like there were some serious issues you may have had with her. Not healthy in a business relationship...but then it was not really a business relationship since mutt was not paid paid.
                                                                                                                                                                                                this is just an outside obervation, not ment to ruffle any feathers.
                                                                                                                                                                                                Mutt Listened to a crying girl, he wanted to help, and expected nothing in return. He now knows that the cry, was all fake in most ways. Mutt is hurt because he was manipulated, into trying to help a "desperate" Model in need. What he did want in return was the satisfaction of seeing a young girl strive and make it in the business...


                                                                                                                                                                                                ICQ 22264474
                                                                                                                                                                                                [email protected]

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • jewelsofpaste
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Registered User
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Jun 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 5
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #349
                                                                                                                                                                                                    ok. I cant read anymore of this. But I have to say this to those of you who are suspect of Mutt's motives.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Mutt has done a ton of everything for me as well- for nothing! Including (from a very long list) designing an entire site for me as well. I was staggered by the amount of work and patience he offered as I watched this Ashley saga unfold.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    It amazes me still that I had to come to the porn industry to find people with this kind of character.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    This was a staggeringly bad business move on Ashley?s part.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Mutt, talk to you later. You are a DUDE! Thanks for
                                                                                                                                                                                                    everything.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • tony299
                                                                                                                                                                                                        lurker
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 57021
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #350
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by GotGauge
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Mutt Listened to a crying girl, he wanted to help, and expected nothing in return. He now knows that the cry, was all fake in most ways. Mutt is hurt because he was manipulated, into trying to help a "desperate" Model in need. What he did want in return was the satisfaction of seeing a young girl strive and make it in the business...
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Someone who is desperate you dont have to beg to do things.

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