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this will explain more - graphically. i urged this girl - who despite every bit of frustration I have endured for 12 months is a BRIGHT girl even though some of her 'friends' claim she isn't - she is smart. I urged her from the moment AshCash launched 7 months ago almost to seize the 'opportunity of a lifetime' - I was here to help her 24/7 - and would continue to be. The difference with me and everybody in Ashley's life is I expected BETTER of her - I don't treat people as 'girls' 'nude models' - I took her as she came from Day 1 - an adult, she is NOT a child.
Ashley could have walked from this industry in 2 to 3 years with a small fortune - to help herself, her brother and her mother but Ashley plays ONLY by 'Ashley's Rules' - the world according to Ashley.
Remember - this is NOT the first time around for Ashley - there's another webmaster here with his own story. I was there for that story.
I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!Comment
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i might take some heat for this.. but a basic timeline for a solo girl site
1.) they get explained how much they will get paid and what is involved in running a solo site and they are extremely happy and eager to work
2.) while shooting the initial startup content they are happy because they are working a lot and getting paid per shoot (if they are working on a per shoot/basis and not 50/50)
3.) after shooting the initial launch content...they start to get impatient during visa approval and site launch
4.) when they realize its not a get rich overnight scheme and people they know stumble across the site, they demand to have the site taken down and expect you to eat the loss even though you explained to them that eventually people they know WOULD see the site
5.) the model flakes, and the producer hopefully was smart enough to get 2 years of content pre-shot so the site can continue
6.) model is bitter
the end... taadddaaaaaaaaI like turtles.Comment
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Edit, maybe I should read the whole thread first.....Last edited by NaughtyRob; 10-23-2005, 11:25 AM.Comment
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That looks awesome.Originally posted by Mutt
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So ashley, why exactly did you leave Mutt? Want to make more money? Remember this is the second time you left a "program" webmasters remember this, and it won't be easy to convince them to put their links backup...I am for example "done" with thisQuestions?
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i'm gonna take a guess..Originally posted by justsexxx
her friends are putting it in her head that she should be making a lot more money because the site is all about her.. and she thinks she will make more money now that she knows what to do from watching how mutt gained affiliates?I like turtles.Comment
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BIG mistake by Ash in my opinion.Comment
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many people aren't aware still of what went on between me and Ashley. I have not made a DIME off this girl, and never will regardless what I do with content I own of her. Every single minute, hour, day, week, month - an entire YEAR - invested in this girl - was for HER benefit - and I hoped for her family's benefit.I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!Comment
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This is basically her 3rd strike, I'm not going to be putting up the new links..Hey surfers how about some The Best Porn SitesComment
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I need a pass for Teen Handjobs. I have to review the spanking factor.Originally posted by justsexxxComment
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Maybe she can rename her site to ashley broke when she has no affiliates...ICQ: 22-920-445 Aim: OGpubenemyComment
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Originally posted by Mutt
You were not a equal partner?
wowttapatio@ Gmail dot ComComment
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mutt fix your sig!!
and.. i hope everybody learned something from this mess!Comment
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hope everything works outwww.STWOFDesign.com
hit me up on icq 154206276 or Skype: JaimeGizzleComment
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no. exactly as I said - Ashley was given the world - an opportunity NO girl in this industry has ever been given - and there's much more to this story - how hard it was to get her launched on her own and what I went through to make sure she had what she wanted.Originally posted by tapatio
Ashley when I met her was under contract to another webmaster/program - TNA Cash owned by Aron Simpson - I told her from Day 1 that I could not be financially involved in her website because I would never step on another webmaster's toes for my own gain.I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!Comment
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if anybody is put out financially by this Ashley has MORE than enough money to make things right by you. Her affiliate program launched on April 7th of this year - as of a week ago when I had my last look at her processor stats she had made NET $110,000.I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!Comment
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Originally posted by Mutt
No good deed goes un punished
Sorry it ended up like this for youttapatio@ Gmail dot ComComment
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Damn...sounds like a crazy situation. Good luck to the both of you. I hope it ends up working out for Ash in the end even though it seems like she may have made the wrong decision.★★★
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HA! In January after Ashley pulled an act of incredible ingratitude and irresponsibility that involved both my partner and friend Marco Pallotti - Marco said those very words to me.Originally posted by tapatioI moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!Comment
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Yes Mutt, you guys were great in a business sense. I don't know where I would be without you - but it was not the business side of things that broke this up. I can't ever repay you for the time and effort you put into my site, but I will try...Originally posted by Mutt
After finally making the decision to go my own way, which was a very hard decision - I have had to look back at all the things you really did on the business side and I'm very greatful...but I need to be on my own and really learn and understand what it takes to make a site workable. I have talked to a lot of people and have recieved a lot of great advice from all of you - and thank you guys so much!
When all this started, I didn't really see how much work was really going on.
Mutt, I would love to find some way to repay you for all your hard work. Maybe I can send you all my exit traffic or something - but I really need to start looking at this as a business and taking care of it myself.
Yes, Mutt, you built a great foundation, but we know that's not the issue. I would be happy to discuss ways I can help you as a repayment in strictly a business manner.
AshCash and AshleyBrookes are now strictly under my control. Something like this will never happen again. I am really excited to work with those of you that stay with me and look forward to having fun coming up with new things to help you guys make more money!
My ICQ will be open to all affiliates, I'd love to hear your ideas on what you need to make more money.Comment
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same hereOriginally posted by nnwebComment
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Fuck.
Mutt did more for that girl than I would do for my own children. This is a shame, even though it was inevitable. Sorry buddy.Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted
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Thank you for once again reminding me why I do not and will not push single girl sites.
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Originally posted by Mutt
Ouch, sounds like a solo girl getting a mighty big head
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Better than 99% of the crap sold here!Comment
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Originally posted by sonofsam
MUTT Rules. He has done an awesome job in everything he does. his record and work speak for itself.
Models Flake everytime. its never a question of "if" is just a question of "when". They all think that opening their legs is what makes the money... its not. Its about 20% of the equation and none of them seem to want to accept that they are just a commodity and there are many more like them willing to do the same.
I don't doubt that Mutt tried to reason with her but has been here long enough now that she has reached that point and got "star sick" and thinks she has it all figured out... just because 100 lovesick, over the hill, married with children slobs are sending her e-mails from their trailer, promising her the world and telling her how beautiful she is every month.Comment
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So I don't get it? Does content need to be paid for or what? Isn't something missing here?
If the content is hers why can't she use it?Comment
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You webmasters/affiliates....sometimes have to take the good with the bad, life in general isn't perfect.
It's getting harder and harder to find girls that are willing to be all over the net. I would say there's alot more to this story, from both parties...that you will not hear.
Sales are up and sales are down, if you sold cars...would it be busier in the summer or winter? You just don't know.
I don't think posting what she made in 7 months time was very cool. :-(
But good luck to both of you.Comment
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Ashley,
When you first came out with Ash Cash and I saw your posts, I had high hopes for you. You sounded like one heck of a bright girl. But this decision/idea is one of the least bright ones I have seen in a long time.
Good luck.Comment
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If it wasn't for Models, where would most of you be working? Mainstream?Originally posted by PleasurepaysComment
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What does that have to do with what he just said? You may be one of the few models that understands the business side as well, but you know what he said was true.Originally posted by LexiLexxx
I never sent Ashley much traffic because I had a hunch something like this would happen. I'm glad I trusted my gut.
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rebills will be lost too? wow, im glad i hadn't started promoting. if its one things webmasters don't like its downtime, lost of sales and especially rebills. they aren't always easy to get. best of luck but there had to be a better way to do this.you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..Comment
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Damn, that is one successful solo girl siteOriginally posted by MuttComment
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This my furry friends, is the END of Ashcash
Who's going to trust sending traffic to a sponsor that made them have to pull links like this? Whether your fault or not Ashley,, pack up and do something new.
Yous ee, there are people promoting you pretty heavily with hundreds of pages out there... what's the sense of keeping them up and editing every single page to remove links and have galleries that go nowhere now? Well, delete key gets put into use. That causes issues with TGP and link list owners and such. Lots of explaining to do on your affiliates part.
Could you just buy his share out instead of losing every affiliate you ever had?Comment
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Everyone thinks they can do it on there own ... Good luck but i can tell ya that being this is the 2nd time you bailed on a program it's not going to be easy to get guys to trust you ... what your doing is going to fuck a lot of people and cost them money ... but i guess it is all about you ... If i was Mutt I'd make you pull all his shit too ... you seem ungrateful for his efforts
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Originally posted by Sly
Thank god for your gut instinct.Comment
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So I get from this that ashley brookes is the DUMBEST model/webmaster ever.Comment
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Kinda reminds me of Jenn
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Jesus... Well, links are going down, thank God I did not put more up.
And they are not coming back up.Comment
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WASOriginally posted by Mike33
thats a bad biz move ashley
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Ashley, whatever happened between you two, swallow your pride and try for all it's worth to make things right with Mutt. If you close your site and pull rebills, there won't be much of a site left for you to control...Comment
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no she is not - and that's why i became so frustrated over this past year - there is a brain inside that pretty head - a good one. I tried my best to help her make the best use of her mind as well as her body and charm - she refused. Ashley wants everything her way. She is endlessly charming and nobody knows that better than me - but she has a ton of growing up to do and lessons to be learned. I tried - I failed.Originally posted by The HeronI moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!Comment
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How does it work that Mutt was doing it all for free... and then he owns the site and all of the content??? I might have missed something but what the heck does Mutt care what she does. Why pull any content or site if it is hers?Comment
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Originally posted by xloggerYou did everything for free Mutt? Man what the hell is wrong with you?? This is what you get when you do 'buisness' for people.
Fuck that shit, alwasys work by yourself - for yourself.
Thats my moto!
I have asked myself this question too...
Mutt, I know you did alot of work...time, money and headaches.
Looks like you did a real good job, is there anyway at ALL to work this out?Comment
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Originally posted by AshleyBrookes
WTF?
Mutt didnt get 50% or a % of the site? You made a big mistake Ash. And yes, he needs to be repaid. If he wasnt such a great guy he would launch a site with his content I bet and then he could make his money back.Comment
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110.000USD in let's say 6 months?Originally posted by Mutt
is 18333 per month /30 days a month is 600USD a day...like 20 joins a day?
That is not good, or did I miss something?Questions?
ICQ: 125184542Comment
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I think using a crap design for now until a good design was done would have been a better business idea. She defenitely went out of her way to help the webmasters.
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