The Pirate Bay Is Much Larger Than The Hun...

I think the point DH was trying to make is that torrent sites are not going to be shut down, that torrent sites will continue to find ways to have porn, no matter what we do torrent sites will have porn, and it will be our content.

So what he is saying is we mine as well figure out a way to work with them and cash in as well. Why should the owners of the pirate bay be making more then or close to what the hun is making, having our content on it and we not make anything from it.

Bottom line torrent sites will always have porn, and they will always make money off our content.

When DRM was hot everyone was seeding p2p with tons of videos, bangbus got huge amounts of joins like this.

I think what DH is basically saying is we need to adapt and figure out a way to make money from them instead of letting them just provide out content and make a shitload of cash off it.

I see a lot A LOT of people bitch about AFF and other people who support torrent sites, and bitch and complain, and everything else, but how many of those people are actually working hard to shut any torrent sites down? To really fight that battle? Bitching on GFY won't do shit for that at fucking all.

It's a very fucking fine line to walk.

Zango is scum, I will say that right now, and making that obvious on this board who is using them helps the industry in a whole.

I hate torrent sites, I hate they steal our shit, I hate even more that the owners are making sick fucking sick amounts of money and we are left here to bitch about it.

DH's attitude is what is best for his business and what is going to help his business grow bottom line, nothing more then that.

If you go into the real world, the mainstream world business is cut throat, people buy each other out, leave employees to find new work, people undercut management, trade secrets within companies to advance their own personal position, real business is looking out for number 1, no one else. Do you think coca cola would be mad is someone was selling pepsi's trade secrets, they'd not give a fuck. Them companies sit and wait for a reason to exploit the others in any way shape and form. You see it in commercials, "not like the other guy!"

What would happen if we started doing that? Promote my program, not so and so program they were built on spam. Promote us not them they take aim spam. But make that our main marketing ploy.

Your a fucking moron

Thank the lord, someone that actually "gets" what I am trying to say.

Thank you,
DH

And the feeling is mutual

DH

I know this is not really the point of this thread, but I don't understand this comment.

Does for example WiredGuy own an affiliate program? Do thehun or wordsex own affiliate programs? How about the major gallery submitter who are buying from you?

All I know about you is that you used to be content for a webcam site and you're an affiliate?

Am I missing anything big shot? LOL!

You don't go to shows, OBVIOUSLY no one in their right mind would be willing to deal with you after this or risk their relationships with the companies you have so dramatically slandered and spreaded lies about.

I will never do business with you or anyone that does business with you. You might not think much of that statement but I do control a few clicks here and there.

DH

mark this day would have been better spent had we hit a golf course

I don't agree with a lot of the stuff that you do. I don't agree with torrent sites, and I will continue to ask about sponsors who use zango. This is a given.

But, at the end of the day, bottom line all shit aside. Torrent sites are here to stay, they are not going anywhere and the people in this industry who figure a way to work with them are going to make a lot a lot a lot of fucking money.

Business REAL business is not about personal feelings, it's about what is best for your company and going to make it the most money. You need to seriously way any option in front of you and decide if it will help your company grow and how much money it's going to make you, not how it will affect other business's. Who fucking cares.

The problem we have is a lot of our business depends on affiliates, and their opinions. So it's a thin rope to walk on, and sadly we will never make everyone happy...

We do... we DMCA our content where we can find it but we would need an army of lawyers to find every single torrent and DMCA every single site. Making deals with torrent sites? That smacks of blackmail.. we should be dealing with torrent sites on the up and up so they won't rip us off? Where are the principles in this business?

As far as piracy protection, security etc, we are always working on ways to do this, along with many other companies that are all looking toward the same goal.. the only problem being is that for as long as there is hackers, there will be people cracking protection and encryption and security (and often just as quickly as it's put out there). How does it make sense to turn around and say "Ok, so they're going to steal our stuff anyways, instead, let's just GIVE IT ALL AWAY FOR FREE!". How is that going to increase the value of our membership sites for our valued members and customers, who are the lifeblood and reason we do what we do? How is it going to make money in the end when it all dries up and everyone has everything for free? Should we spend extra money producing content to give out for nothing so that we can continue to support and uphold companies who are going to profit off of us (and others) by thievery either way? And not just us, but all the other companies that have their content being watered down and ripped off continually (unknowingly and unwantingly), thereby devaluing everything we are all attempting to achieve as an industry? If you don't think the implications of this are that far-reaching, you haven't looked too far into the future. How can that really and truly be justified? How is that going to work well for the long-term business plan? Can you afford to feed the world's porn habits for free forever? Sure, it might mean signups FOR THE MOMENT, but see at how much more quickly things stop selling these days, remember back to the golden days of porn and ask yourself what is different? When did the balance tip and things change? Torrent sites and similar sites have had a massive (negative) impact on website memberships and DVD sales since inception. It's going to get worse, not better, and what will we do for the torrent traffic when there's no more sites left to upsell, because all the surfer has to do is search for the website and find all their content right there for free?

As far as your offer, thank you I will pass it along. We are working on many of our own solutions to these issues as well (unfortunately no solutions are created overnight). Knowing the way they feel about fighting for the integity of the industry, I'm sure you would know along with everyone else that this will be forefront in their minds.

I wouldn't feel as strongly about the way things are if it wasn't a "If you don't work with them they will steal from you anyways" kind of attitude. I believe in viral marketing, I don't believe in brute-force blackmail.

WOW! DH you are a fucking moron, and idiot and the poster boy for faggottry. I can not even believe some of the bullshit you have posted in this. I think it's time people here STOP supporting him and his little portfolio of TGP spots. In fact, TGP owners should pull their sites from his.

Rumor has it that a *NEW* company will be making it to the scene, selling ad spots - at 50% less than DH take in his commisions. SOunds interesting huh?

There are many who try but it's definitely not an easy thing to do. Many are overseas and not subject to the same kinds of regulations. Unfortunately though some try, sometimes the only way to battle them is to cut them off at the funding. It's one of those horrible rock and hard place kind of situations that you are damned if you do and damned if you don't, you kind of have to take your actions based on your principles from there.

type in any television show, movie, actor, actress, song title, whatever and you'll find their conent on YouTube or Google Video. no, there isn't porn on here, but that's because they have a no porn policy. it has nothing to do with them respecting copyrights. as an example i went ahead and searched for "simpsons episodes" here are the results will. http://video.google.com/videosearch?...episodes&hl=en
think any of that is being used with permission? just because it's not a members area doesn't mean it's not theft. no it doesn't directly hurt you or anyones sales in the adult industry, but you cannot pick and choose when stealing content is ok. hell, load up pornotube if you wanna see stolen adult content being used.

protecting content is the responsability of the content owner. our program is in the process of taking steps to protect our content. vigilantes drumming up shit on the boards do more harm than good in my opinion. there will ALWAYS be sponsors willing to accept that traffic. even if you get every major dating and cam sponsor off torrent sites, there are still a million mainstream sponsors that will accept the traffic. and trust me, nobody in mainstream gives a fuck. you should honestly be bitching at sponsor programs to protect their content so it doesn't end up on torrent sites. then again i also know people that have purposely seeded their own content for branding purposes. it is a fairly good way to get eyeballs on your product.

Pbay will like others die. Its just a matter of when

funny how money changes situations..