A friend of mine has Hesse M4 Carbine for sale.

**AaronM** · 10-14-2005, 05:04 PM

Originally posted by Turboface

He needs an ink signed copy of a valid federal firearms license from the buyer.
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LMAO

Good luck with that here. I don't even have an FFL. And why does he need that anyway? For shipping purposes?

**Turboface** · 10-14-2005, 05:08 PM

Originally posted by AaronM

LMAO

Good luck with that here. I don't even have an FFL. And why does he need that anyway? For shipping purposes?

Ya, what was I thinking. This is GFY.

He's here right now. He said that all anyone has to do is to go thru a transfer dealer, like here - http://www.gunbroker.com/User/DealerNetwork.asp

It just costs about $20 to do it that way.

**AaronM** · 10-14-2005, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by Turboface

Ya, what was I thinking. This is GFY.

He's here right now. He said that all anyone has to do is to go thru a transfer dealer, like here - http://www.gunbroker.com/User/DealerNetwork.asp

It just costs about $20 to do it that way.

Not necessary. Why does he want to do it that way?

**Turboface** · 10-14-2005, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by AaronM

Not necessary. Why does he want to do it that way?

He says that because the ATF says so. He's a licensed dealer.

**AaronM** · 10-14-2005, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by Turboface

He says that because the ATF says so. He's a licensed dealer.

Maybe I'm missing something here. I've bought many a weapon directly from licensed dealers over the years. In fact, I could go buy that very gun right now and not need to jump through any hoops.

Well, best of luck to you and your friend.

**Anthony** · 10-14-2005, 05:49 PM

All I've found about that manufacturer is that it's lower quality than Bushmaster.

http://www.hkweaponsystems.com/cgi-b...c&f=1&t=000800

Oh, also their website, that no longer works. http://www.hessearms.com

**Niko Bimini** · 10-14-2005, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by AaronM

Maybe I'm missing something here. I've bought many a weapon directly from licensed dealers over the years. In fact, I could go buy that very gun right now and not need to jump through any hoops.

Well, best of luck to you and your friend.

You are missing something here my friend. In order for him to ship the firearm to you (legally) he needs to go to a gun store in his town and have them ship it. They in turn (under federal law) can only ship it to another firearms dealer with a valid FFL. The recieving gun dealer then logs it into his books, and logs it out to you (the purchaser).

No way to do it (legally) other than that.

And yes Hesse is (or rather was) a very low quality gun. Stick with Colt or Bushmaster (preferably Colt) for an AR-15 or clone.

**Turboface** · 10-14-2005, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by Bimini

You are missing something here my friend. In order for him to ship the firearm to you (legally) he needs to go to a gun store in his town and have them ship it. They in turn (under federal law) can only ship it to another firearms dealer with a valid FFL. The recieving gun dealer then logs it into his books, and logs it out to you (the purchaser).

No way to do it (legally) other than that.

And yes Hesse is (or rather was) a very low quality gun. Stick with Colt or Bushmaster (preferably Colt) for an AR-15 or clone.

My friend says that you're right on about the shipping. He also says that it's as good quality as a Bushmaster or Colt but for less than half the price. It's all Colt parts on a Hesse reciever.

**Niko Bimini** · 10-14-2005, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by Turboface

My friend says that you're right on about the shipping. He also says that it's as good quality as a Bushmaster or Colt but for less than half the price. It's all Colt parts on a Hesse reciever.

Well no offense to your friend, and I wish him luck with the sale...........................but statements like "as good as a Colt for half the price" should make anyone a bit leary.

If he built the gun from scratch he could have bought a reciever from Hesse and put Colt parts in it. But that would have only saved him the $30 difference in price of the recievers and makes no sense at all. If he bought the gun assembled by Hesse than it has all Hesse parts to match the reciever. Urban legends are always afloat about "clone" guns that are actually the same as the original at half the price and a different company logo on it. One of the more common is Taurus PT99 (a copycat of the famed Beretta M9) being manufactured in Berettas factory and sold at a discount under the Taurus banner. In reality Taurus firearms are made in South America, and made using much less quality materials than the (American made) Beretta. Taurus and Beretta have no affilaition and either do Hesse and Colt.

Like I said, IF he built the gun from scratch he could have used Colt parts on a Hesse reciever.
And since the reciever is equivelant to the frame and body of a car, why would you buy a Ford frame/body and put the engine and interior of a Ferrari in it?

**8 Characters** · 10-14-2005, 07:05 PM

I'm scared that you all know so much about guns..

**J-$** · 10-14-2005, 07:06 PM

icq me 204-940-088

**AaronM** · 10-14-2005, 07:08 PM

Originally posted by Bimini

You are missing something here my friend. In order for him to ship the firearm to you (legally) he needs to go to a gun store in his town and have them ship it. They in turn (under federal law) can only ship it to another firearms dealer with a valid FFL. The recieving gun dealer then logs it into his books, and logs it out to you (the purchaser).

No way to do it (legally) other than that.

And yes Hesse is (or rather was) a very low quality gun. Stick with Colt or Bushmaster (preferably Colt) for an AR-15 or clone.

I didn't miss that. In fact, I specifically asked if it was because of shipping but that question went overlooked.

There are other options besides sending a gun through UPS.

**MikeVega** · 10-14-2005, 07:11 PM

Bushmaster AR15 ..

**J-$** · 10-14-2005, 07:27 PM

my bad 202 940 088

**Niko Bimini** · 10-14-2005, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by AaronM

I didn't miss that. In fact, I specifically asked if it was because of shipping but that question went overlooked.

There are other options besides sending a gun through UPS.

Actually Pink Pimp you are wrong. There are NO other (legal) options under federal law than shipping through the US Postal Service.

**EscortBiz** · 10-14-2005, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by AaronM

Maybe I'm missing something here. I've bought many a weapon directly from licensed dealers over the years. In fact, I could go buy that very gun right now and not need to jump through any hoops.

Well, best of luck to you and your friend.

can you buy me a gun? glock would be perfecto

**Niko Bimini** · 10-14-2005, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by 8 Characters

I'm scared that you all know so much about guns..

Well I have been a certified law enforcement firearms instructor for about 12 years now, and owned a gun store here in Arizona from 1996-2001. There was a life for me BEFORE porn!

**ChefJeff** · 10-14-2005, 07:34 PM

That's a neat looking gun.

**Niko Bimini** · 10-14-2005, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by Bimini

Actually Pink Pimp you are wrong. There are NO other (legal) options under federal law than shipping through the US Postal Service.

I should put a side note: there were no options other than USPS back in 2001 when I owned the gun store. Laws may have changed since then.

**Niko Bimini** · 10-14-2005, 07:57 PM

Alright alright UPS..............USPS...................whats the difference!

As a friend just pointed out via ICQ, I am adding an 'S' where there should be none.

UPS is the legal way to ship firearms and NOT USPS! Been a long day.

My bad AaronM!

**J-$** · 10-14-2005, 08:04 PM

contact me on icq or tell your friend to do so
202-940-088

**AaronM** · 10-14-2005, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by EscortBiz

can you buy me a gun? glock would be perfecto

If you're serious. Yes.

**AaronM** · 10-14-2005, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by Bimini

Actually Pink Pimp you are wrong. There are NO other (legal) options under federal law than shipping through the US Postal Service.

Wanna bet?

**EscortBiz** · 10-14-2005, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by AaronM

If you're serious. Yes.

yup glock 17

**Midget** · 10-14-2005, 09:24 PM

Ship international? $1000
;)

**Midget** · 10-14-2005, 09:25 PM

Is that gun full auto, or semi only?

**Mr Pheer** · 10-14-2005, 11:18 PM

Whyis he trying to pass an AR15 with a collapsable stock off as an M4?

**adultchica** · 10-14-2005, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by MikeVega

Bushmaster AR15 ..

Wow, you're a freaking hottie

**pr0** · 10-15-2005, 12:31 AM

"Anything worth doing, is worth doing right" - HST

**MadCat** · 10-15-2005, 12:39 AM

Originally posted by MikeVega

Bushmaster AR15 ..

nice monitror

**pr0** · 10-15-2005, 12:45 AM

$900 gun, old ass monitor cmon man! tigerdirect get yourself a flat 19!

**Markit** · 10-15-2005, 01:23 AM

nice toys

**gecko** · 10-15-2005, 01:53 AM

I want some toys like those!

**Freddy** · 10-15-2005, 02:18 AM

real man toys

**Vitasoy** · 10-15-2005, 02:25 AM

Would love to get my hands on any of those

**u-Bob** · 10-15-2005, 03:43 AM

is he willing to ship it to pakistan?

j/k

**pr0** · 10-15-2005, 04:18 AM

In pakistan they have these

Otherwise they'd be cleaning sand out of AR's & M4's after every 6 magazines

btw pat, thats a nice M4, had i not dropped 650$ when i visited you guys for business dinners & entertainment i'd have him transfer it up

**Anthony** · 10-15-2005, 04:23 AM

Originally posted by pr0

In pakistan they have these

Otherwise they'd be cleaning sand out of AR's & M4's after every 6 magazines

btw pat, thats a nice M4, had i not dropped 650$ when i visited you guys for business dinners & entertainment i'd have him transfer it up

Yo, I bought an Arsenal Uzi yesterday.

**pr0** · 10-15-2005, 04:31 AM

Originally posted by Anthony

Yo, I bought an Arsenal Uzi yesterday.

dude i'm coming down & shooting with you, find out a clear spot on your schedule, its only a days drive

also i need to figure out how to transport my own arsenal down there...although i think you have enough for both of us

**pr0** · 10-15-2005, 04:31 AM

btw is that a 40 rounder?

**Inde** · 10-15-2005, 06:16 AM

Originally posted by Anthony

Yo, I bought an Arsenal Uzi yesterday.

very nice

**MikeVega** · 10-15-2005, 06:21 AM

Originally posted by MadCat

nice monitror

ya that entire PC is jacked .... no one sits there but we use it for a few things .... notice all the cables running over the side of the desk ... no one even took the time to run them through the desk ...

**TurboAngel** · 10-15-2005, 08:14 AM

Originally posted by pr0

btw pat, thats a nice M4, had i not dropped 650$ when i visited you guys for business dinners & entertainment i'd have him transfer it up

Thank you for the great night hun, BTW call me and it's yours. I told you we should have gone out to my friends house didn't I?

**pr0** · 10-15-2005, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by TurboAngel

Thank you for the great night hun, BTW call me and it's yours. I told you we should have gone out to my friends house didn't I?

i just bought that AK, then had an ER visit, & i just paid quarterlys

i wish

**MikeVega** · 10-15-2005, 09:46 AM

Originally posted by adultchica

Wow, you're a freaking hottie

Thanks ...... I think

**Turboface** · 10-15-2005, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by Midget

Is that gun full auto, or semi only?

It's a semi-automatic.

A friend of mine has Hesse M4 Carbine for sale.

A friend of mine has Hesse M4 Carbine for sale.

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