Freedom osf speech in US and EU? Hmm...

**frank7799** · 04-27-2007, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by cyberxxx

Believe me I learned this when I was a student. There is nothing new to me in that wikipedia's article. The problem is different. Estonian government officially support Nazi SS veterans. Ok, let's consider them as fighters for independence. But what's about 1000's of civilians (mostly Jews) killed by those "fighters"? The main goal of Estonian SS brigade were punitive operations, but not the direct confrontation to Soviet army. And now... they decided to remove the monument to soldiers who died fighting against Hitler. That's a real shame IMHO.

Please don´t get me wrong. I didn´t intend to support any crimes committed in WWII. And quoting wikipedia is always a problem, I agree so far.

The only thing I wanted to point out was that removing the Russian monument doesn´t allow the conclusion that Estonians are Nazis. It´s another question if the other monument should stay. Not every SS veteran was a fighter for independence, of course. But the Russians weren´t the ones who went to Estonia bringing them liberty.

Women of the German Capital Berlin who experienced the Russian invasion in 1945 and the following three years for example call the Russian monument in Berlin the "Monument of the unknown rapsit". It may be a similar experience for Estonians.

**viroman** · 04-27-2007, 03:15 PM

Hell in Tallinn today

is a so messed.. Fucking Russian Buster crashed main street in the center of Tallinn fucking vandals

Fresh Pics Here
Normal Estonian-russian are sitting a home, Busters on the street

I'm not agree with Estonian Goverment too FUCKING Primeminister Ansip
70% of estonians dont support all this that happend yesterday tonight

**just a punk** · 04-27-2007, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by viroman

Hell in Tallinn today

is a so messed.. Fucking Russian Buster crashed main street in the center of Tallinn fucking vandals

Hope you enjoyed the decision of your shitty hitler-cock-sucking government. Very nice you loved it, Adolf. I bet your are feeling great that your lovely monument to SS killers was not destroyed too. Right? Wold you like jerk off at its picture?:

**Phil** · 04-27-2007, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by viroman

Hell in Tallinn today

is a so messed.. Fucking Russian Buster crashed main street in the center of Tallinn fucking vandals

Fresh Pics Here
Normal Estonian-russian are sitting a home, Busters on the street

I'm not agree with Estonian Goverment too FUCKING Primeminister Ansip
70% of estonians dont support all this that happend yesterday tonight

Oh give me a fucking break.. there just as many Estonians looting shit.

**viroman** · 04-27-2007, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by cyberxxx

Hope you enjoyed the decision of your shitty hitler-cock-sucking government. Very nice you loved it, Adolf. I bet your are feeling great that your lovely monument to SS killers was not destroyed too. Right? Wold you like jerk off at its picture?:

I guess u love it

) I didnt say that.. that i am loving hitler - cock and ss momument

i told u 70% estonians dont support that situation
About this momument u your dont know true, dont wacth russian TV

, best way to see Euronews where is realy true

**just a punk** · 04-27-2007, 03:53 PM

and much more pics here: http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=20592

**just a punk** · 04-27-2007, 03:57 PM

Originally posted by viroman

i told u 70% estonians dont support that situation

Really? So why didn't you try to tell your fuckin' government about that? Ah.. I forgot... your "democratic" government doesn't give a shit on what exactly want you and other 70% of their ppl.

**viroman** · 04-27-2007, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by cyberxxx

and much more pics here: http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=20592

yes i know this pix i have seen it, iam realy worry about this situatsion that happend in tallinn now.. but VALDALISM is not way of decision a problem..

**Big John** · 04-27-2007, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by cyberxxx

and much more pics here: http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=20592

Why the hell would that make world news? You see more police in riot gear in Manchester on a Saturday night. What a confused little man you are

**viroman** · 04-27-2007, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by cyberxxx

Really? So why didn't you try to tell your fuckin' government about that? Ah.. I forgot... your "democratic" government doesn't give a shit on what exactly want you and other 70% of their ppl.

**just a punk** · 04-27-2007, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by viroman

yes i know this pix i have seen it, iam realy worry about this situatsion that happend in tallinn now.. but VALDALISM is not way of decision a problem..

Destroying of monuments to soldiers who died fighting against Nazi is VANDALISM. All that you see on the streets now is just a consequence of it.

**just a punk** · 04-27-2007, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by viroman

So do you agree on that your government don't give a shit about 70% of their citizens? Ok, if you really love to live as a piece of shit what means nothing so it's your right to do that... *SHRUG*

**Webby** · 04-27-2007, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by Big John

Why the hell would that make world news? You see more police in riot gear in Manchester on a Saturday night.

Pfft... just another parking ticket being issued John

**viroman** · 04-27-2007, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by cyberxxx

Destroying of monuments to soldiers who died fighting against Nazi is VANDALISM. All that you see on the streets now is just a consequence of it.

I am not support of destroing of this monument but its not Vandalism it just a play of different group of our politicals, but thats our problem inside the country. What we have now in the street it just stup provocations and its real Vandalism.. Probably for russia its normal way of decision of problem i dont know.. but not for me.. iam really furious what we have now in the street .. never seen so situation in reality

**viroman** · 04-27-2007, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by cyberxxx

So do you agree on that your government don't give a shit about 70% of their citizens? Ok, if you really love to live as a piece of shit what means nothing so it's your right to do that... *SHRUG*

very interesting how about u think ur goverment?? i think u love it to live like a SHIT if u can say me this that iam living as a piece of shit....

**viroman** · 04-27-2007, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by cyberxxx

So do you agree on that your government don't give a shit about 70% of their citizens? Ok, if you really love to live as a piece of shit what means nothing so it's your right to do that... *SHRUG*

normal entelegant ppl cant say this publicy as u say me this.. u have to control own emotions..

**just a punk** · 04-27-2007, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by viroman

Probably for russia its normal way of decision of problem i dont know..

Seems you confused something

It's not happening in Russia, it's happening in ESTONIA. Here in Russia we have no such a problem.

**just a punk** · 04-27-2007, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by viroman

very interesting how about u think ur goverment?? i think u love it to live like a SHIT if u can say me this that iam living as a piece of shit....

Who said I live like a shit? You said that your government don't care about your toughs. I don't remember I was saying something similar...

**just a punk** · 04-27-2007, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by viroman

normal entelegant ppl cant say this publicy as u say me this.. u have to control own emotions..

But you was unable to tell this to your government publicly, right? Does it mean you are not normal?

**uno** · 04-27-2007, 04:55 PM

Can we get a translator in here?

**WarChild** · 04-27-2007, 04:58 PM

Estonia? Who fucking cares, really?

**just a punk** · 04-27-2007, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by WarChild

Estonia? Who fucking cares, really?

The ones who's granddads died fighting Nazi during WWII. I believe you are not among them however.

**sarettah** · 04-27-2007, 05:17 PM

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ne...ia&btnG=Search

Monsters and Critics.com Riots in Estonia after memorial removed
Houston Chronicle, TX - 2 hours agoTALLINN, Estonia ? Police fired rubber bullets and a water cannon at hundreds of protesters in Estonia's capital Friday in a second night of rioting by ...

Russian parliament warns Estonia Aljazeera.net
Estonia hit with 2nd night of violence RTE.ie
Estonia removes Soviet-era war memorial after a night of violence International Herald Tribune
Journal Gazette and Times-Courier - Today's Zaman
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Estonia removes Soviet monument amid riots
Independent, UK - 1 hour agoRussian lawmakers yesterday called for sanctions against Estonia after authorities here removed a Soviet war memorial, carrying out a plan that provoked ...

More rioting in Estonia over Soviet statue
Irish Times, Ireland - 1 hour ago
The bronze statue of a World War Two Red Army soldier was moved after the worst violence in years in Estonia, including vandalism and looting by mainly ...

Riots in Estonia After Memorial Removed
Forbes, NY - 1 hour agoPolice fired rubber bullets and a water cannon at hundreds of protesters in Estonia's capital Friday in a second night of rioting by ethnic Russians angry ...

So much for no mention of it in the western press.

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**Webby** · 04-27-2007, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by stickyfingerz

Yup Knoxville is so close to me... Legal issues?

Mmmmm... not sure what to say Sticky

Your board persona is obviously not matching your mouth, is it?

Amazing how different the persona is to reality - but hell - none of my biz and staying out of it

PS Apologies for misspelling your name, Borger, not Boger ... and congrats on the excellent selection of domain names and the sphere of entrepreneurial activity - it's obvious you are very talented

**NTM** · 04-27-2007, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by cyberxxx

Oh look! It's a rave party!

**Big John** · 04-28-2007, 08:25 AM

Had to bump this as BBC news actually featured the story a few mins ago. Must be a very, very slow news day.

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