Pro gun freaks - why don't you realize a few things like:

I find this comment quite interesting.

Is it the criminals who are going on these gun rampages? Seems to me it is usually the mentally unstable who do?

Not the first time i see american propaganda on this board, huh?

Though I am a gun pro but I really agree with you. Actually, there are two possibilities.

Either no one should have gun.

or

Everyone should have.


No like US itself, who likes to have Nuclear Bomb but don't like others to have just because they think others are irresponsible. And is not even agreed to destroy the whole shit.

By the way, first option is for ideal world, and since we do not live in an ideal one so let the second option be true.
Give everyone a gun so that other party is aware that if he uses his tool he will get a bullet in his ass.

For example, if Japan had Nuclear Bomb in WW2, USA would never dare to bomb poor Japanese. Unfortunately, Its true.

two of the quotes were not american

but if your just not into reading, here's one last quote from a peace loving man

The Dalai Lama: "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." (May 15, 2001, The Seattle Times)

Look at the disparity between the US and Canada. Kinda weird considering Canada has almost exactly the same guns per capita as the US does (actually, more IIRC). Obviously guns themselves aren't the problem otherwise Canada would have similar gun-related death rates as the US.

and that Indian kid in Toronto was just passing by. You don't have problems. Oh, and Jamaican boys...

Best post I've seen all year !

Exactly fucking right.

Every person on this planet should be a responsible enough human being to be able to take care of a gun or a nuclear weapon. However, that's just not the case, due to so many factors in human behavior breeding more fucked up human behavior, that it becomes ridiculous.

It's the people and the proliferation of people that should be kept in check, not inanimate objects.

I'm not for eugenics or some shit, but fuck -- I'm surprised we lasted so long as a species where every Tom, Dick and Harry can fuck and make babies with Nancy, Sally and Shakula. What's even worse is that anyone holding true to a "religion" are puking out many more offspring than free-thinkers who just want to live.

franck and other whiney non americans.....this is an American problem.

why dont you mind your OWN fucking business and stick to reading the news about whatever gunless pussyville country you live in k

holy shit... if they really teach you that fairy tale it's even worse than i thought

How many Bloods and Crips are in Holland?

What about MS13?

??

Dude, you never heard of the HCG (holland clog gang) ?

They don't need guns.
They'll shoe your ass to death with their wooded feet.

and stick a tulip in my dying ass

Why are you idiots unable to understand that America has a gun problem and many other countries dont? And then even worse, why are you so fucking proud of it?

At least you admit its a problem. Seriously, you are the first one in this thread. The rest calls it freedom and is proud of it.

how many gangs are in Holland Franck?

for real?

They make up the majority of gun violence here

double post

We have gun violence like basically any other country in the world, ofcourse. But the average person will never have a gun pointed at him or see a situation with a gun involved. Holland is quite safe.
No Holland wouldnt be quite safe if guns were suddenly legal and one would be able to buy one on every corner of the street. This place would turn into a dangerous shithole.

What is it you dont understand about this?

We have crime and no gun problem. You have crime AND a gun problem. You keep on acting as if guns reduced the crime but im pretty damn sure crime rate in the US in higher than in Holland...yes even WITH your guns.

Yeah pls don't come to The Netherlands. It's like the Bronx here...Gun fights all over, and many school drama's here...And the problem is, we can not buy guns...I feel so unsafe here

Only the US and a bunch of 3rd world countries have a huge gun problem. Why doesnt the rest of the world have this problem? Many because they dont have a country full of guns??? Really hard to understand right?

Once again your freedom to allow guns fucked up your country and you are proud of it and act like the rest of the world cant function without guns. Man...when you think of it can you realize why the rest of the world things the average American is an imbecile?

Enoch Brown school massacre - Franklin County, Pennsylvania, United States; July 26, 1764
Poe Elementary School Attack - Houston, Texas, United States; September 15, 1959
University of Texas at Austin massacre - Austin, Texas, United States; August 1, 1966
Kent State shootings - Kent, Ohio, United States; May 4, 1970
Avivim school bus massacre - Avivim, Israel; May 8, 1970
Jackson State killings - Jackson, Mississippi, United States; May 14-15, 1970
Ma'alot massacre - Ma'alot, Israel; May 15, 1974
California State University, Fullerton Library Massacre - Fullerton, California, United States; July 12, 1976
Parkway South Junior High School shooting - Saint Louis, Missouri, United States; January 20, 1983
Stockton massacre - Stockton, California, United States; January 17, 1989
École Polytechnique Massacre - Montreal, Quebec, Canada; December 6, 1989
University of Iowa shooting - Iowa City, Iowa, United States; November 1, 1991
Concordia University massacre -Montreal, Quebec, Canada; August 24, 1992
Simon's Rock College of Bard shooting - Great Barrington, Massachusetts, United States; December 14, 1992
Richland High School shooting - Lynnville, Tennessee, United States; November 15, 1995.
Frontier Junior High shooting - Moses Lake, Washington, United States; February 2, 1996
Dunblane massacre - Dunblane, Scotland, United Kingdom; March 13, 1996
Sanaa massacre - Sanaa, Yemen; March 30, 1997
Pearl High School shooting, Pearl, Mississippi, United States; October 1, 1997
Heath High School shooting, West Paducah, Kentucky, United States; December 1, 1997
Jonesboro massacre - Jonesboro, Arkansas, United States; March 24, 1998
Thurston High School shooting - Springfield, Oregon, United States; May 21, 1998
Columbine High School massacre - Littleton, Colorado, United States; April 20, 1999
W. R. Myers High School shooting - Taber, Alberta, Canada; April 28, 1999
Heritage High School shooting - Conyers, Georgia, United States; May 20, 1999
Santana High School - Santee, California, United States; March 5, 2001
Appalachian School of Law shooting - Grundy, Virginia, United States; January 16, 2002
Erfurt massacre - Erfurt, Germany; April 26, 2002
Monash University shooting - Melbourne, Australia; October 21, 2002
Rocori High School shootings - Cold Spring, Minnesota, United States; September 24, 2003
Southwood Middle School tragedy, Miami, Florida; February 3, 2004
Beslan school hostage crisis - Beslan, Russia; September 1, 2004
Red Lake High School massacre - Red Lake, Minnesota, United States; March 21, 2005
Dawson College shooting - Montreal, Quebec, Canada; September 13, 2006
Platte Canyon High School shooting - Bailey, Colorado, United States; September 27, 2006
Amish school shooting - Nickel Mines, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, United States; October 2, 2006
Weston High School shooting, Cazenovia, Wisconsin September 29, 2006
Henry Foss High School - Tacoma, Washington, United States January 3, 2007
Beirut Arab University shooting - Beirut, Lebanon; January 25, 2007
Virginia Tech massacre - Blacksburg, Virginia, United States; April 16, 2007

Well yeah I guess you guys are much smarter than us what can we say, maybe we will be as cool as Holland some day.

Yes there are lots of guns here
Yes we have an abundance of violent youth
Yes we racial hatred
Yes Yes Yes

The guns arn't going anywhere anytime soon.
Thats just the way it is.
It's too interwoven into our fabric.

What's to argue?

Saying imbecile 500 times doesn't change things.

If guns wouldnt be legal there in the first place just like Holland and all those violent people would have a really hard time finding a gun instead of now where they buy a gun any time of the day, do you think the US would be a bit safer? Just like its safer in every other country where guns arent widely available? Or is this freedom illusion sooooo fucking important to you that you will never ever admit guns fucked things up there?

Amazingly I have somehow managed not to have been the victim of gun violence in the last 35 years.

Same with everyone in my family.

Of course now Im sure I just jinxed myself.

Actually you know what I think fucked up america and is the problem?

Parents just don't give a shit anymore.

It's all about having babies from 5 different men that the kid will never know.
Mothers trying to support large families on their own and there is no disipline anymore.

Kids are rude and have no manners.
They are not taught right from wrong.
They look up to thug and prison life as something cool.

Throw a gun into the mix and it just makes matters way more fucked.

Wait, there is no gun problem in the US??

Oh snap, what was i thinking.

My mistake, sorry.

Shok, Can you answer me please?

If guns wouldnt be legal there in the first place just like Holland and all those violent people would have a really hard time finding a gun instead of now where they buy a gun any time of the day, do you think the US would be a bit safer? Just like its safer in every other country where guns arent widely available? Or is this freedom illusion sooooo fucking important to you that you will never ever admit guns fucked things up there?

Move to Denmark. #4 for suicide rates for people aged 35-44.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...tes-ages-35-44

At least in the US, fucked up people off themselves early in life, probably due to your point about parents not caring anymore.

No ...what I'm saying is, the picture you paint is one of people scurrying under fire to get a cup of coffee at 7-11.

Although it may seem to be a society on the verge of anarchy...it really isn't.




People in London ask me how many horses I own since I live in Texas.
It's all perception
I don't know anyone who owns a horse in Dallas

Australia has very few gun deaths per 1,000

And Franck to answer your question.

If there were never any guns allowed, yes there would be less murders.

I still think there would be violence the same as today though, be it gun or not.
This country fought itself over owning slaves.
Black people hate white people, asians hate black people and we all hate arabs for the time being.

I hate Shok only.

Remember when Scott accidentally shot himself on 90210? Don't you people learn anything?!?!?!

I didn't read this thread, but thought I'd add: the US is about to sell a bunch of weapons including satellite-guided munitions to Saudi Arabia and other gulf countries. Don't worry, Israel.

read up: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/19/wo...html?ref=world

Thats bullshit. I'm in Scotland and I wouldn't have any idea where to start looking to get a gun. A few of my relatives are pretty dodgy people and know the worst people in my town and even they couldn't get guns so easily.

guns aren't toys,
they're for family protection, hunting dangerous or delicious animals, and keeping the king of England out of your face!



if we didn't have these guns, the king of England could walk right in here and start pushing you around.

D'you want that? Huh? Do ya?

"I only have five words for you: From my cold, dead hands" - Charlton Heston


Charlton Heston for President 2008

i think that part of the problem is that americans have been conditioned into thinking the worst, for example when my house alarm goes off in the night i dont think oh my god an intruder who is gonna kill me if i dont pop a cap in his ass first, i think who the fuck went downstairs and didnt switch off the alarm

tree i would just like to point out to you that their hasnt been a King of England since george VI whose reign ended in 1952. the simple reason for this is that law states that a queen can not rule if their is a king, and hence since in a queen is the head of the Monarch as is the case now her husband becomes a prince not a King.

Haha this is the most stupied i ever heard , first of all ,it was several countries Hitler didnt invade my friend, before you talk about nazi cocks etc, it was just a few countries in Europe who was really invaded by Hitler.

Its so boring everytime, "if it wasnt for us you would been talked German "

learn the history man , Berlin was outbombed by the English lads over and over again , before they invaded Berlin .

Several countries fighted back,and hitler didnt have full control at all of all countries in EU .

i can go on all night, this is not Normandie you know lol .....

But US was a great help ,thats whats alliance is for .....

Like English troops did in 1 and 2 war in Iraq ,helped us soldiers who couldnt finish some attacks good enough , you know ....

once again SURFER...its a quote from the simpsons. Lighten up and stop skipping school.

Once again learn the history of ALL countries in Europe ,and yes RUSSIA was a main factor for Europe TOGETHER with US for ending the war after years of fighting from soldiers and sabatouers from europe ,who killed german soldiers everyday.

I have family members who was in a camp and survived ,i also know hundreds of histories of young guys who fighted the whole war againgst Hitler for saving their countries ,and once again,Hitler didnt control every country 100% .

So good night and eat your burger in your trailer mr Wikipedia

Strong Point

I hate america for this.

You are not allowed to swear on TV and they to bazerk when a fucking tit is shown in the superbowl - Still still having a gun in your deskdraw is perfectly legal.
There's no direct connection but I am just saying somewhere along the line something went really wrong.
The values are so fucked up in your miserable country.