THIRD Obscenity Raid, FL Sheriff Hits War/Porn Site

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You should already have that if you are in this business... Are you nuts?

wholly crap right outta my home town lakeland always did suck though! C/O 2000 kathleen highschool!

Nice to see we got some sane folks with some common sense in GFY!

A fair number seem to have this concept they came onto the net to do what the fuck they like, without any clue of acceptable standards and a myth they can hide behind "freedoms" and "rights" and say "Fuck the laws!"

Let's hope not, but they could end up focussing on the "words" of an indictment and asking "why me?" "It was only 500 images of cum-dripping, cock-sucking, ass-fucking and another 500 images of cadavers with their limbs blown off, published with the intention of showing the horrors of war, your honor"

Yea, and I'm a blonde Chinaman and a member of Al Queda.

I posted this some days ago and it went largely ignored?



http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=524342


I am really starting to see why the adult entertainment industry is such an easy target and a whipping boy for whatever Johnny come lately moral debate is the talk of the day. A lot of the guys in this industry are complete fools with zero understanding of business, politics, or law.

Now before the loser?s start flaming let me explain something to all of you.

Your livelihood is at risk!!!!!
It can happen to you!!!
It will happen to you if the industry doesn?t stick together.

The 3 recent raids over the last week are only the opening rounds of an all out war being waged by the Christian right. And in war every small victory amounts to overall defeat of the enemy. (You)

While stories about sex with kid?s disgust me?...

And Scat turns my stomach????.

And dead bodies sadden me???

I support each and every one of those site operators because they were operating within the limits of the law.

If you turn your back on them, instead of support them that will make it that much easier for the government to convict you when your number is pulled.

You see people the bible thumpers are many and they are powerful and they are resourceful. But what makes them a formidable enemy in a time of war (and they are the enemy) is that they stick together and move as one. They are methodical and surgical in their attacks and believe me they intend to win.

Let?s talk about precedent and its relation to one of the cases

prec?e?dent P Pronunciation Key (pr s -d nt)
n.
1.
a. An act or instance that may be used as an example in dealing with subsequent similar instances.
b. Law. A judicial decision that may be used as a standard in subsequent similar cases: a landmark decision that set a legal precedent.
2. Convention or custom arising from long practice: The President followed historical precedent in forming the Cabinet.

Know what that means??

Ok I will tell you, let say the lady with the website with the stories about teens having sex is prosecuted and eventually convicted??that will set a precedent that will make it easier for other government law enforcement bodies to prosecute and convict individuals based on what is now considered obscene.
Once precedent is set its all down hill and some or all of the words used as evidence against her become sort of like an unwritten law. In this case I am sure the word teen would be one of them.
Ok so now you have precedent that says you can prosecute someone for using the word teen in stories or in effect associated with sex or sexuality hmmm
Goodbye every domain with teen in it relating to sex or pornography
Hello an even newer precedent

You know what I think I am going to stop right here as it just dawned on me that this board is infested with idiots and this will fly over the head of the majority but for the rest of us ( those who do not support raids against legal businesses) we really should pay close attention tall of this the Christians are cashing in their IOU with bush and the adult entertainment industry is in the crosshairs.

Dont watch the boulder on the track while the train comes around the bend?fucking speak out and do something

do you live here in the states, amerika? if so you must be exposed to a constant stream of *obscene* images on CNN and the like daily like most of us... apparently the glimpse of a nipple is considered more obscene than wanton death and slaughter, i see it all the time on the local news feeds here..

pathetic, all of it. and getting worse daily it seems..

Exactly!

There is also a scenario where 99.9995% have never actually had indictments for material which *may* well be deemed to be obscene by a jury. If they had, they may think twice about the wild shit statements here.

The net has been let off very lightly in respect of obscenity and that could change any time (irrespective of whoever has political power). Apart from Extreme and very few others, there have been hardly any obscenity charges on the net since the days of BBS's.

Obscenity charges are not about "freedoms" or "rights" - they are about publishing material which a jury deems obscene.

There was a day when a number of net companies let their lawyers revue content - that obviously is not the case now and *could* leave em wide open to a legal action.

Bottom line... common sense costs nothing and is a good judge, that's assuming common sense exists

I have no doubts the vast majority of "webmasters" would be pissing their pants if they had to stand in court and explain content

Love and death, sex and blood...

Its a part of living and to forget what it is and shield what it is from people will only blind them from the facts of reality.

Maybe Dick Cheney or Bush should take a real good look at the people they have murdered in Iraq, Both Americans and "Insurgence" take a good look at the soldiers comming home dead, let them know what it is they have done to not only American Lives but foriegn ones on our fucking dime!

WTF our own news won't show our own dead comming home! This president has not the decency to see them with his own fucking eyes.
Why? Because him and his 4th Riech Nazi degenerates do not want you to realise what the fuck is happening.

And ya know what...
They see that and more than likely one of them would put a bullet through there own head.
The more people that see what they are paying for with there own taxes the sooner peace can be found in Iraq. But instead obviously the government now is calling this "War On Porn"...

Ya know what it is really is?

"War On The People".

"War on the People"

Funny Clinton gets impeeched for a getting some hummer but you can let Bush "take over the world"

Alien play it up as a mass conspiracy all you want, the guy is immoral and ran an obscene site in a county where such activities are illegal. And i doubt any of jury or judges will find the corpse photos to be "appropriate"

This is not a fight the "adult industry" wants to back.

Ok this argument is good but just plain invalid. CNN and the mainstream news media is very governed and censored. You rarely see full res photos of dead bodies, and NEVER glorified.

And about the nipples, I would be all behind him if it was titty and pussy pics, but posting dead bodies of men who died fighting for their homeland, OURS OR THEIRS, is completely unclassy, immoral and yes, obscene.

Charging someone with a crime for speech has nothing to do with freedom? Tell that to the people in China or Cuba.

The U.S. Constitution doesn't say that you only have the right to free speech as long as it doesn't offend other people.

You think Larry Flynt's cases have nothing to do with free speech rights?

chris is a good guy and yes he posts here - i hope this turns out in his favour at the end of it but the problem is the soldiers ids are gonna cause a storm

wonder what all the peeps are thinking that rushed to buy advertising on the site are thinking now.....direct links for authorities to follow....

Maybe I am wrong, but I doubt the real reason he was arrested were the porn pictures they used as a reason. It would have just been too hard to get anything from a judge for the pictures of dead iraqis, at least for now. So they got him with the obscene porn stuff and now can send info to the US Army to actually really get going...

The guy posted pictures of dead iraq's, most likely many of them soldiers or combatents. Those pictures were taken by US army officials and sent to him. Do you guys realize that this breaks rules of the geneva conventions?! Obscenity is the least thing the guy has to worry about in my oppinion... Have fun when he gets charged with warcrimes or even crimes against humanity (although that might be rather hard to do, but not sure how many pictures he posted) for posting the pictures along with the soldiers that sent them to him.

and what international conventions are being broken in Gitmo?

you make me laugh. if thats your standard then the Government is the biggest criminal EVER. But will anyone from the Government stand trial? Probably not.

check his site out before forming your thoughts
i just checked it out to see what the big deal is & go check the forum labeled; after checking the site out, it appears that there is a possibility that this partcular section is the one in question.

Your Government might very well have breached geneva conventions, and yes, those are my standards, why in gods name would they not be?

I'm happy that I made you laugh...

Do you read the news? That one female soldier just got 3 years jail time.

Details were provided to Rumsfeld by the International Red Cross, tho they confirmed the report was delivered, but Rumsfeld showed much concern over this and was going to ask them for a copy. Something sound kinda fucked??

IRC do not publish their reports of this type, but pass the data to the "offending govt". They felt the need to write a report - nuff said!

that girl got 3 years for the bs at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. had nothing to do with detainees at guantanomo bay.

listen up everyone. Lakeland is known for their be bible thumpin wayz. There is not even an adults shoppe anywhere in thats town at all. Back in the mid to late 90s a cupple was busted for obscenity charges for performing on iFriends.

To wrap it up shorty styles, if yoy live in Polk County FLA then you should not even be usin the interwebs nevermind for porn. that is the entire skinny on this situation and all these otha posts are worthless.

Read this http://www.webmastervault.com//tip-o...secution.shtml

100% correct Dennis! I lived just outside Polk County for a while and that was the reason why.

I did not like the idea of my interwebs being fucked by the local sherriff

I know, the guy was just asking for it:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=521545

And people were trying to do business with this guy.

so he got what was comming to him. I have no sympathy for him. Giving access to people posting dead bodies. THat was tasteless and wrong on so many levels.

Sure they charged him for the hardcore but I would bet 10 to 1 that they did it because of his little scheme.

Y'all can argue, but if I'm not mistaken, he had a board full of reader-contributed sexual photos, right? So, until the details of those are made public, it's speculation that this is JUST about dead bodies.

If you allow people to upload what they want, especially with the new proposed regulations in 2257, you're asking for trouble.

wait so you want to punish a webmaster because soldiers dont care enough about their dead brethren?

soldiers are trading pics of their dead soldier friends for porn, not the webmaster

The charges are known. They're for obscenity and not for the dead Iraqi images. From the YNOT article:

"Wilson is charged with one count of wholesale distribution of obscene material and 300 misdemeanor counts related to 20 online films and 80 photographs obtained from his website. The obscenity charges all relate to pornographic images, however, and do not relate to the images of the dead Iraqis."

The government doesn't like our industry. So why would you wave your dick at them on national tv by accepting photos of dead bodies for access to his porn service, thereby giving them a reason to raid you.

How many posts have their been on here about religious zealots in government and how oppressive the government is to our industry. Enough to make you want to walk a thin line rather than air out your dirty laundry to the world to catch the government's attention.

I hope and I think it will blow over for him and he'll be ok. But you have to admit, it wasn't the smartest move on his part.

it make me laugh when peopel are crying about freedome of speech on that board of his.

Dude, posting naked pictures is NOT freedome of speech. I see no spoken word in posting skin and dead bodies

Also... he lives in an anti porn community. He should have known better. Whether anti porn laws are right or wrong is not the issue here anymore. it's the fact that he should have known better based on where he lives. Want to run a porn site? Ok... MOVE to a mor eliberal community.

the webmaster still profits from it.

he does post here and I just took out an ad on his site a few days ago

Well, that fucking sucks.

it was only $10/month and my site is only softcore nudes so I really don't have anything to be concerned about, it still sucks to have a connection to this mess though

ok, I simply don't get which LAW exactly did he break???

can you please post a link to the law that says that is illegal to TRADE or POST or whatever pictures of dead bodies?

also as far as I know GW Bush had killed about 100 000 or so innocent people in Iraq so far, why isn't he raided, arrested, and sentenced (to death preferrably)?

Webby I'm a bit dissapointed in this statement. From it, I can come to at least two factual conclusions.

1. You do not know Chris, what he is about, and the history of that site.
2. You have never been to that forum. It's still there, go visit and do a little reading. It's not so unlike the very fourm you are posting on.


Chris did not have charges brought against him due to the images submitted by soldiers. I appears they took offense to pictures of girlfriends and wives. ( or at least that is the line that is being given)

It's not about the money with this guy, never has been. So to imply he is trying to get rich off this site is silly. ( 10 bucks for 3months access)

I've visited this site, I know chris, and while I sometimes think he didn't exercise the best judgement as far as the media is concerned in respect to where he resides, I have to strongly disagree with your assesment of him.


What I see some folks doing here is the same fear I have of what is going on in general. Some of you are lumping the three situations into the same basket, when in truth all three raids are VERY different.

damn i'm glad i live in Canada

Also worth noting is the lack of a federal presence in this case, this sounds like it was mostly some local bible-thumpers who didn't like the publicity they thought his site was giving their town.

The article said something about the sheriff would give information to the army because he thought that it was an ongoing investigation, nowhere did it have a statement on behalf of the army requesting this. I think it's pretty much a non-issue for the military after their statements from a few days ago.

There are a few of us on this board who live, or have lived in Polk country Florida. And I would tend to agree, this whole mess was a Black eye for Lakeland. The first press NTFU got ( as I recall over a year ago) was when female soldiers were posting nude photos of themselves. This caused a problem. There are plenty of soldier submitted photo's on that site that have no dead bodies, or death in them. And I would hope people would understand that dead bodies and body parts were not a requirement for free access to that site.

They didn't go after that site on the basis of dead body parts, they went after him on the basis on live ones.

Shit when will johnny law kick the door in on ORGISH, or GFY for posting pictures from ORGISH.

...

Wilson faces 300 misdemeanor counts related to the Web site and one felony count of wholesale distribution of obscene material, sheriff's officials said.

All of the charges relate to digital images showing sexual pornography. None of the charges stem from the photos of war dead.

Wilson's bond has been set at $151,000.

Deputies continue to search his apartment.

http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.d...AKING/51007008

You can get a full list of articles covering this here:

List of articles here

This really does affect all of us, because as adult webmasters, we can be attacked like this. Essentially this is not a federal case, but instead a bunch of police officers who wanted some fame. There is a difference.

Precisely.

Pictures are speech. All forms of art and symbolic representation are speech. You want to have the editors of the Washington Post arrested if they show pictures of dead soldiers? They're profiting from it. Since when is it ok for our government to do something but not ok for us to show the results of what it is they're doing?

The government is in place to protect citizens from predation by other citizens, not to monitor thought crimes. You are in the porn business and you're all for govt censorship of unacceptable pixels?

It's nice that you want chixxx. I wish you wanted an education just as badly and that there weren't so many people like you incapable of drawing simple associations between censorship and tyranny.

This could get thrown out unless Chris was actually posting the photographs himself. I believe forums fall under the same catagory as ISPs when it comes to liability. I know how this works for copyright (ie DMCA notice), not sure about "obsenity."

Europe!!

But that's indeed a fucked-up story. And @KRL he wasn't charged for the army pics, but for obscenity.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Right now the attorneys are in heaven. they see the dollars rolling in. But in the not too far future, they wont have many clients left. This INdustry needs to unite as a whole, and stand up the the US Biblical Government!

The government will lose the case as they have lost almost every case over time. The government can not legislate morality.

We need to counter sue constantly. We can outspend the DOJ.

OMG, for real? The porn industry can outspend the US Government??

Pardon me while I go find an O Rly pic.

Here we go.

This post gets one too.