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10-04-2005, 05:47 PM

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"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush said Tuesday that the possibility of an avian flu pandemic is among the reasons he wants Congress to give him the power to use the nation's military in law enforcement roles in the United States."

Ok, sure... the flu pandemic is scary... but the thought of the US under martial law is even more scary.

And what's with the "among the reasons"? What are his other reasons?

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10-04-2005, 05:48 PM

any excuse will do...
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10-04-2005, 05:50 PM

Dont worry. HE will not stop until he destroys the last freedoms that we have.

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10-04-2005, 05:51 PM

wtf?

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10-04-2005, 06:09 PM

and no one has an answer for the question... if such a pandemic happens... how do you quarantine people on a mass scale and contain it? this is a real threat right now - so what are the answers?
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10-04-2005, 06:12 PM

Mr. Bush is nothing if not consistent - he plays the "fear" card every chance he gets then comes on like the saviour of humanity.
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10-04-2005, 06:12 PM

scary for sure

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10-04-2005, 06:12 PM

People are too fucking dumb to understand the difference between a pandemic flu and a normal flu season. I hope the army shoots you and your family. Less retards on earth, thank you.
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10-04-2005, 06:13 PM

Soon you'll be seeing soldiers on every corner of the city.

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10-04-2005, 06:14 PM

Can't impeach him if he controls congress with soldiers....

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10-04-2005, 06:14 PM

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10-04-2005, 06:14 PM

i heard he wants to invade poland.

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10-04-2005, 06:16 PM

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i heard he wants to invade poland.
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10-04-2005, 06:19 PM

So let me get this straight. This isn't directed at anyone in particular, I'm just thinking out loud here...

1) You are pissed at the fact that troops arrived a little "late" after Katrina.

2) You are pissed at the fact he wants to DISCUSS taking some pro-active measures before another disaster.

Got it.
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10-04-2005, 06:21 PM

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People are too fucking dumb to understand the difference between a pandemic flu and a normal flu season. I hope the army shoots you and your family. Less retards on earth, thank you.

they should start with Bush

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10-04-2005, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by Lycanthrope

So let me get this straight. This isn't directed at anyone in particular, I'm just thinking out loud here...

1) You are pissed at the fact that troops arrived a little "late" after Katrina.

2) You are pissed at the fact he wants to DISCUSS taking some pro-active measures before another disaster.

Got it.

Well as I see it there was no need for 'troops' in dealing with Katrina; troops are for defending borders, not doing construction and rescue work. However some government aid should have been used from agencies other than the military.

Martial law for a public health concern is totally uncalled for. There have been instances of widespread public health concerns in the past and no one has ever had to resort to such primitive measures as what he is speaking of.
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10-04-2005, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by AmateurFlix

Well as I see it there was no need for 'troops' in dealing with Katrina; troops are for defending borders, not doing construction and rescue work. However some government aid should have been used from agencies other than the military.

Martial law for a public health concern is totally uncalled for. There have been instances of widespread public health concerns in the past and no one has ever had to resort to such primitive measures as what he is speaking of.

care to explain to us hard harmless asian bird flu is and how there is really no need to worry?
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10-04-2005, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by Pleasurepays

care to explain to us hard harmless asian bird flu is and how there is really no need to worry?

after you tell us how good the military is at curing ailments
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10-04-2005, 06:42 PM

by chance is there anything ever happening anywhere else in the world, in other countries? You guys do some serious usa nuthugging keep it up

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10-04-2005, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by AmateurFlix

Well as I see it there was no need for 'troops' in dealing with Katrina; troops are for defending borders, not doing construction and rescue work. However some government aid should have been used from agencies other than the military.

Martial law for a public health concern is totally uncalled for. There have been instances of widespread public health concerns in the past and no one has ever had to resort to such primitive measures as what he is speaking of.

The National Guard was called, and its "slow" deployment was criticized.

The military is not "just" for defending our borders. It serves to defend this country against all enemies, foreign AND domestic. Preventing the formation of enemies, (carriers possibly spreading disease), is the easiest way of defending against them.

As far as construction and rescue - I'm ex-Navy... we had Sea-Bees (CBs - which is short for contruction builders) which did plenty of construction and Search and Rescue (SAR) teams which did plenty of rescues. Other branches have similiar MOSes. Contruction and resuce are major parts of any military operation.

Totally uncalled for? I disagree. Extreme yes, but not totally uncalled for. Local governmental agencies have time and time again proven their un-preparedness for major emergencies.

Otherwise intelligent people can turn into ill functioning idiots if their normal routines of daily life are in any way upset. A little bit of "primitive" guidance could possibly be the difference between 10,000 and 100,000 lives.
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10-04-2005, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by NichePay - StuartD

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/...flu/index.html

"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush said Tuesday that the possibility of an avian flu pandemic is among the reasons he wants Congress to give him the power to use the nation's military in law enforcement roles in the United States."

Georgie is one dangerous and unhealthy character for any nation to have around.

You remember he wanted a blank check book after 9/11 to do as he saw fit? Fortunately his kind proposal was rejected. If he got that, the US would be in an even worse financial condition than it is now.

Now he wants military law because of chickens??? Are they "terrorist chickens" Stuart?

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10-04-2005, 07:11 PM

This is gonna be the biggest Flu we've had in a century ... I don't see nothing wrong with using the military to quarantine cities that are touthced ...

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10-04-2005, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by Lycanthrope

Preventing the formation of enemies, (carriers possibly spreading disease)

calling germs 'domestic enemies' in regard to the military is a stretch that I can't imagine any reasonable person buying into, and it surprises me to see you posting that

As far as construction and rescue - I'm ex-Navy... we had Sea-Bees (CBs - which is short for contruction builders) which did plenty of construction and Search and Rescue (SAR) teams which did plenty of rescues. Other branches have similiar MOSes. Contruction and resuce are major parts of any military operation.

isn't that typically limited to actual incidents of real military activity? I don't recall hearing about this type of stuff after earthquakes, tornados, or other widespread natural disasters

Otherwise intelligent people can turn into ill functioning idiots if their normal routines of daily life are in any way upset. A little bit of "primitive" guidance could possibly be the difference between 10,000 and 100,000 lives.

If the military tries containing people in area full of an infected populace I assure you they will be met with even further "primitive" guidance from those incapable of simply escaping the area unnoticed. There would probably end up being nearly as many people killed from gunfire between troops and people resisting the death sentence of staying in a quaranteened area than there would be from the actual disease.
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10-04-2005, 07:28 PM

Under the constitution, the military cannot be used as a police force in the united states -- c'mon now, bush isn't stalin or hitler for christ sake. I agree that the government is out of control, but for you to believe that Bush is behind everything, you are oh so niave friends.

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10-04-2005, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by VHNet

Under the constitution, the military cannot be used as a police force in the united states -- c'mon now, bush isn't stalin or hitler for christ sake. I agree that the government is out of control, but for you to believe that Bush is behind everything, you are oh so niave friends.

well the issue is that even though the constitution says it can't be so, Bush wants it to be otherwise... Bush is too much of an idiot to be 'behind everything', but he is a dangerous thug nonetheless
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10-04-2005, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by Lycanthrope

So let me get this straight. This isn't directed at anyone in particular, I'm just thinking out loud here...

1) You are pissed at the fact that troops arrived a little "late" after Katrina.

2) You are pissed at the fact he wants to DISCUSS taking some pro-active measures before another disaster.

Got it.

exactly. you've got to understand, you are dealing with an incredibly moronic crowd of leftards here.
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10-04-2005, 07:34 PM

already posted ....

got one reply...

Seems the later gang is more into it ...

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10-04-2005, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by directfiesta

already posted ....

got one reply...

Seems the later gang is more into it ...

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=524218

No it's basically because you are an idiot, with your daily, mindless nonsense

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10-04-2005, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by simple simon

No it's basically because you are an idiot, with your daily, mindless nonsense

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10-04-2005, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by AmateurFlix

calling germs 'domestic enemies' in regard to the military is a stretch that I can't imagine any reasonable person buying into, and it surprises me to see you posting that

I was referring to all potential carriers spreading the disease as the enemies. They would be victims, yes, but should they decide to break whatever emergency laws that were place and venture elsewhere, they would also be enemies. It would be unreasonable to think everyone will stay put.

Originally posted by AmateurFlix

isn't that typically limited to actual incidents of real military activity? I don't recall hearing about this type of stuff after earthquakes, tornados, or other widespread natural disasters

This would be a real military activity. Just because it hasn't happened yet does not mean that it should not have.

Originally posted by AmateurFlix

If the military tries containing people in area full of an infected populace I assure you they will be met with even further "primitive" guidance from those incapable of simply escaping the area unnoticed. There would probably end up being nearly as many people killed from gunfire between troops and people resisting the death sentence of staying in a quaranteened area than there would be from the actual disease.

This would be sad and tragic, but so be it. We don't excuse the terminally ill from committing crimes.

I'm not saying I'm "all for" martial law, and I doubt this will ever come to be. I'm just saying that I would completely understand it and that I would comply as I must.
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10-04-2005, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by Lycanthrope

I was referring to all potential carriers spreading the disease as the enemies.

well the problem with the type of mass containment you're speaking of is that it wouldn't be just the infected individuals that would be contained, but plenty of other uninfected people as well. And then the people forcing them to stay near those that are ill would be their greatest threat...

This would be a real military activity. Just because it hasn't happened yet does not mean that it should not have.

Natural disasters and epidemics have never been considered an acceptable venue for 'military activity' in this country and they never should be. The founding fathers didn't just come up with this shit on a whim and it shouldn't be be overturned for the sake of convenience.

This would be sad and tragic, but so be it. We don't excuse the terminally ill from committing crimes.

Well the military would be the one breaking the law at that point since this type of activity is illegal for them currently. If someone manages to somehow 'overturn' this same constitution that the military is sworn to protect... well that's another topic.

I'm not saying I'm "all for" martial law, and I doubt this will ever come to be. I'm just saying that I would completely understand it and that I would comply as I must.

I didn't take that as you were 'all for' it... but there are people out there who are. Don't take my comments the wrong way, I'm not one of these idiots that see no need for a military at all... but their place is defending borders against foreign military assaults (or domestic in the rare instance the borders are overrun), not playing medic and policemen.

I see a great deal of trouble as far as civil rights and a balance of power if their role becomes less well defined domestically.
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10-04-2005, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by AmateurFlix

after you tell us how good the military is at curing ailments

who said anything about the military "curing ailments"? are you just stabbing at your keyboard hoping to luck into a complete sentence for your own amusement.. or can you actually read and think?
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10-04-2005, 08:24 PM

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who said anything about the military "curing ailments"? are you just stabbing at your keyboard hoping to luck into a complete sentence for your own amusement.. or can you actually read and think?

I was merely responding to your own failed attempt at a cheap shot. I see you've decided to continue
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10-04-2005, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by AmateurFlix

I was merely responding to your own failed attempt at a cheap shot. I see you've decided to continue

you seem to know nothing about asian bird flu and the threat it represents and can't propose a possible solution to contain as possible outbreak... all you can do is use this issue to find different ways to say "i hate bush" - why not spare yourself the embarassment of being reduced to making stupid remarks and arguments and just say "i hate bush"? if you did, we could all respect that.

otherwise, whether you accept it or not, the issue is a serious threat for which you propose no solution.

but then again, you are apparently trying to pass yourself off as an epidemiologist in a position to criticise goverment policy, which is sort of cute to watch being that you cant formulate a coherent thought and establish a logical, rational and defensible argument that supports your position.
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10-04-2005, 08:49 PM

Originally posted by Pleasurepays

you seem to know nothing about asian bird flu and the threat it represents and can't propose a possible solution to contain as possible outbreak... all you can do is use this issue to find different ways to say "i hate bush" - why not spare yourself the embarassment of being reduced to making stupid remarks and arguments and just say "i hate bush"? if you did, we could all respect that.

otherwise, whether you accept it or not, the issue is a serious threat for which you propose no solution.

but then again, you are apparently trying to pass yourself off as an epidemiologist in a position to criticise goverment policy, which is sort of cute to watch being that you cant formulate a coherent thought and establish a logical, rational and defensible argument that supports your position.

Christ you're fucking pathetic. When the hell did I ever claim to offer a solution for the flu?

The only thing I spoke of here was the notion of the unprecedented use of martial law in this country on a widespread scale which would require a change to the Constitution to even be legal.

But you've somehow taken this as a stab against everything that is the Bush administration. I guess you're showing your true unthinking sheep like mentality - since I disagree with one issue of his I must hate him, even though I haven't even mentioned anything else about his other policies at all here.

Go on little sheep, try to make yourself sound intelligent. It's real fucking amusing.

You've provided me with a good laugh in this thread anyway.

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10-04-2005, 09:01 PM

The need to preserve the public order during an emergency is the essential goal of martial law.

and all u bushie haters will be screaming for it if the avian flu mutates to spread from human to human and comes to a city near you within 24 hours of mutating
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10-04-2005, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by AmateurFlix

Well as I see it there was no need for 'troops' in dealing with Katrina; troops are for defending borders, not doing construction and rescue work. However some government aid should have been used from agencies other than the military.

Martial law for a public health concern is totally uncalled for. There have been instances of widespread public health concerns in the past and no one has ever had to resort to such primitive measures as what he is speaking of.

I disagree. Our troops serve at the pleasure of the President. Unlike the CIA, there is no law that says US troops cannot operate on US soil. In fact, they do daily.

I see no reason why the US military could not be called in for Katrina or any other diaster

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10-04-2005, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by AmateurFlix

The only thing I spoke of here was the notion of the unprecedented use of martial law in this country on a widespread scale which would require a change to the Constitution to even be legal.

that's incorrect,

The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 bans the military from participating in police-type activity on U.S. soil.

there's nothing in the constitution outlawing martial law
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10-04-2005, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by sltr

that's incorrect,

The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 bans the military from participating in police-type activity on U.S. soil.

there's nothing in the constitution outlawing martial law

well I phrased it wrong then, what we were speaking of was the use of the military to enforce law...
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10-04-2005, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by AmateurFlix

well I phrased it wrong then, what we were speaking of was the use of the military to enforce law...

i didn't mean to detract from your argument btw, changing that act is a huge deal.

however, there are many people in the world health organization and other organizations who are seriously concerned that the avian flu will be a major worldwide event very soon.

they say that the moment that virus mutates to the ability of spreading from human to human it could be worldwide via airline passengers within 24-48 hours.
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10-04-2005, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by sltr

i didn't mean to detract from your argument btw, changing that act is a huge deal.

however, there are many people in the world health organization and other organizations who are seriously concerned that the avian flu will be a major worldwide event very soon.

they say that the moment that virus mutates to the ability of spreading from human to human it could be worldwide via airline passengers within 24-48 hours.

oh I'm sure it could be a very serious threat... I never suggested otherwise.

I just got attacked with some supposed task of figuring out a solution to the disease when I objected to the marshal law point, which had nothing to do with what I was talking about.
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10-04-2005, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by sltr

The need to preserve the public order during an emergency is the essential goal of martial law.

and all u bushie haters will be screaming for it if the avian flu mutates to spread from human to human and comes to a city near you within 24 hours of mutating

How about creating the circumstances so this situation happens ....

Dr. Irwin Redlener, associate dean of Columbia University's Mailman School of Public Health and director of its National Center for Disaster Preparedness, called the president's suggestion an "extraordinarily draconian measure" that would be unnecessary if the nation had built the capability for rapid vaccine production, ensured a large supply of anti-virals like Tamiflu, and not allowed the degradation of the public health system.

"The translation of this is martial law in the United States," Redlener said.

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10-04-2005, 09:32 PM

What I find amusing is that even during the height of the cold war, faced with the possibility of nuclear warfare, it was perfectly OK to keep the laws the way they are.

Now a flu epidemic is supposedly a more serious threat capable of creating greater public disorder than that situation?
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10-04-2005, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by directfiesta

How about creating the circumstances so this situation happens ....

that quote states that "if the nation had prepared" not bush. you really need to get a grip on reality of you think bush

"allowed the degradation of the public health system."

to create an environment conducive to allowing him to change the laws and give him more control in order to use our military against us for his wishes.

moreover, several weeks ago bushie allocated 24+ million dollars to increasing the stockpiles of the tamiflu vaccine enough such that 50% of the population will be covered.
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10-05-2005, 01:55 AM

anything that he can come up, no matter how silly it is.

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10-05-2005, 04:12 AM

Bush is the Humblest dictator America ever had.
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10-05-2005, 04:44 AM

Maybe B*sh should order the military to quarantine Mexico and keep those filthy 3rd world savages from jumping our non-existent border and spreading tuberculosis, hepatitis, polio, leprosy, soccer and mariachi music
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10-05-2005, 04:52 AM

it's a flue, not the black death
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10-05-2005, 05:02 AM

There have been less than 150 cases of this flu in Asia.

All people had direct contact with live, infected birds. It is only transferred from Bird to Human.

This just reaks of the usual scare tactics.

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