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Greed????Originally posted by WarChild
So when you try to get the surfer to buy a membership somewhere instead of giving him free porn with no advertising is that greed???
Aren't we all here trying to make money from our traffic? When did that become a bad thing? (In this scenario apparently when some money shifted away from the submitters and to the TGP owners)sig too bigComment
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But not as a way to curb us "cheaters" who are apparently ruining it for anyone. Instead, it's for TGP owners to make more money.Originally posted by Lenny2
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Heh, how so?Originally posted by Lenny2Apparently some people have missed the point of the whole thread
And as we can see by you bumping this thread monthly to say "I told you so", I'm sure you've come to realize that the ways of old are gone..
Now everybody uses autosubmitters, and soon everyone will be charging submit passes..
it's just the way the world works - embrace technology and keep ahead of the game..
Obviously there is WAY more supply (of galleries) than demand (from TGP owners)...
I guess it's okay that the owners make some extra cash and charge submit fees - but in return, the submitter should expect extra services - pre-approval, notification of why sites weren't listed, and a closer relationship with the TGP owner...
there are still some quality free partner account sites out there (eg: Shemp), but he's a minority.Comment
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.Originally posted by Lenny2
better is use:
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+ CHAMELEON PARTNER ACCOUNT REQUESTER
+ CHAMELEON MAIL CONFIRMER
you can see CHAMELEON TUTORIAL
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Ummh some of your reasoning is flawed but I get what you are saying!
In the long term its a no-win solution for everybody (tgp submitters and owners)...this industry works based on the short-term-buck so...Comment
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i don't waste my time with galleries. to much work and not enough profit.
i just pay for contextual advertising anywhere i can place an ad.
less work more sign-ups.Comment
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It is far too simplistic to imply that submitters are solely to blame for the direction that TGP's have taken.
There is a basic flaw in the TGP model which is that sites attractive enough to sell anything are going to be bookmarked. Some bookmarkers may buy after a few visits, but then most of those surfers will stop visiting and drop out of the stats. Any site which doesn't increase its search engine traffic at the same rate as it accumulates bookmarkers (and I suspect that few if any do) will over time become less and less of a moneymaker for both operator and submitters.
This "natural" trend was speeded up when TGP operators began buying traffic, much of it from countries which were not acceptable to payment processors. Although it is a cozy idea that trading traffic (whether by scripts or hard links) means fresh eyes and fresh eyes mean sales, that doesn't really work when more and more of the recycled surfers either can not or will not buy anything.
It's easy enough to point the finger (with some justification) at both TGP operators and submitters, but really it is the nature of TGP's that is responsible for the downward spiral.Comment
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Yes dreamsubmitter can do comus and pretty much any other image passphraseOriginally posted by kaoriICQ9635421
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I created dreamsubmitter as a tool for myself personally, because i was sick of advanced submitter not doing what i wanted it to do. I do not cheat, and never have, and have hundreds of partner accounts that are very happy with my galleries that i have built up over the years.Originally posted by Lenny2
Dreamsubmitter does not encourage or support cheating in any way, in fact, we discourage it, i run several mgps/tgps myself and am furious with cheaters. Hell i even had a cheater register pornsolid.NET when my domain was pornsolid.COM and he hacked some of my passwords and was submitting redirects using the similiar domain. I mean WTF, cheaters are low life idiots that obviously cant play by the rules. I wouldnt do jack shit for anyone that does cheat. My program is written for honest gallery submitters that need to keep up with the times to stay in business, nothing more.
So please don't ever suggest that my program is written to help cheaters, because that really isnt the case and i don't appreciate you insinuating that.
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You're full of shit and I could care less if you appreciate what I insinuate.Originally posted by NifieldSo please don't ever suggest that my program is written to help cheaters, because that really isnt the case and i don't appreciate you insinuating that.
I've posted this several times but here it is once more since you seem to be too slow to get it.
Why do you think that TGP owners put the image validation on their submit page????
It's to STOP AUTOSUBMITTERS.
All you've done is come up with a way for submitters to bypass that and be able to spam out dozens of galleries per day, running right over the roadblocks that the TGP owners put in place to stop the spammy autosubmits.
Also there's this....
From
http://www.dreamsubmitter.com/features.html
Optional proxy use
Multiple proxy database and proxy connection checking
Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm.sig too bigComment
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Its not so much using the tool. It is using the tool to submit 5 10 and 15 or more galleries a day.PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic
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submitters are a thing of the past for us, we are moving into a system where you will not find a gallery listed that doesn't have our ref. code on it.
everything is moving towards complete automation. there will always be room for custom galleries but that will only hold for our own paysites. the rest will be filler with hosted galleries.Comment
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mmm... I've to disagree. First of all, submitter software does fill those password fields, at least Chameleon does since quite a long time, but you can't autosubmit, at least not by default, it simply fill the fields so you simply check if everything is OK, click and that's it. At least that's what I remember from 6-8 months ago.
As for the "greed" or not, of course it's just a money thing, and nothing else. And I don't find anything wrong with that. Most TGP charging for submit passes, at least those that matter, don't have and never had password phrases, so the Lenny2's logic doesn't apply at all, at least in this case. Furthermore, it's a business model develoved by GTS, whoever doesn't know this lives under a rock.
Now, for the whole TGP game, we've been dealing with this and somehow results were worse and worse, so now that part of our business is managed by an outsourced company that knows what is this about and we're making money again. Maybe not as much as the good times, but good money anyway. And yes, we use a lot of submit passes, as long as we make at least 5 times the submit pass value, it's good for us, altho we know we won't renew quite a bunch of passes, because this is where GREED applies: they charge you but won't list you, instead they list FHG, so bye bye, enjoy those few bucks, buy a beer in my honorComment
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Are you fucking stupid? I personally know MANY mgp/tgp owners that have passcodes on their submit forms and are FINE with me using dreamsubmitter to submit to them. In most cases people EXPECT me to use dreamsubmitter because of its high end error correction and error checking.Originally posted by Lenny2
As for optional proxy use and multiple proxy database and proxy connection checking, have you never submitted your first gallery in a day and got the error "you have reached your maximum posts for today EVEN THOUGH you havent submitted yet that day? Its something to do with ISP ips and for people on broadband connections such as SHAW cable etc, in cities with lots of people submitting such as VANCOUVER you get this error all the time. The ONLY way to actually get your gallery through that day is to use a proxy. IN ALL cases when i use a proxy it is for sites that ALLOW me to do so. I DO NOT USE PROXIES WHEN IT STATES IN THEIR RULES IT IS NOT ALLOWED.
hate to tell you, but you CAN use these functions AND not be a cheater. so get your fucking head out of your ass.ICQ9635421
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What's relevant here is Lenny2 is now a TGP owner, has never been one, and doesn't plan to be one. As that's the case, him speaking for what TGP owners want and don't want is just ridiculous.
Consider the source..Comment
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That kinda puts it in a different perspective thenOriginally posted by WarChild
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scumbagOriginally posted by reyz007
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That is a ridiculous feature, and it should be struck from the software. Autosubmitters have put a strain on the submission game, and will until they are removed from the market.Comment
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however, as flawed as it could sound, there are some valid points, or at least that worth being discussedOriginally posted by WarChild
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They won't be removed from the market. Adapt or perish.Originally posted by shermsshack.Comment
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indeedOriginally posted by WarChild
btw, Lenny2 and the likes, my guys are submitting to paid submit passes TGPs with one of these submitters, hand mode, but autosubmitter anyway. So how does this fit into all this logic? Am I an alien who's doing strange things or maybe you're slightly off base? And I bet 99% of pro submitters use some kind of autofiller and/or gallery replicator.
Let's put it this way: you can use a 486 with Windows 3.1 and you'll be able to do galleries and such. Or you can get with the times and you'll be able to waste less time, make more money and do your work in a better way (and I mean by far)
Besides, I'VE SEEN TGP OWNERS complaining about FHG and the poor quality/low sales they bring. And I mean TGP OWNERS, not somebody that speaks for them
so how will they fill their sites with quality content unless they have morons (the poor submitter guys) that fills their sites with galleries, content and such?
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One has to wonder, if FHGs make as much money or more and keep surfers happy, howcome Shemp, AL4A, WorldSex, Hun, SleazyDreams are not chalk full of only FHGS? The goodness of their heart, right?Originally posted by alan-lindeed
btw, Lenny2 and the likes, my guys are submitting to paid submit passes TGPs with one of these submitters, hand mode, but autosubmitter anyway. So how does this fit into all this logic? Am I an alien who's doing strange things or maybe you're slightly off base? And I bet 99% of pro submitters use some kind of autofiller and/or gallery replicator.
Let's put it this way: you can use a 486 with Windows 3.1 and you'll be able to do galleries and such. Or you can get with the times and you'll be able to waste less time, make more money and do your work in a better way (and I mean by far)
Besides, I'VE SEEN TGP OWNERS complaining about FHG and the poor quality/low sales they bring. And I mean TGP OWNERS, not somebody that speaks for them so how will they fill their sites with quality content unless they have morons (the poor submitter guys) that fills their sites with galleries, content and such?
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lol, now thats funny. I figured he knew EVERYTHING the way he was talking.Originally posted by WarChild
chuckleLast edited by Nifield; 10-03-2005, 11:03 AM.ICQ9635421
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