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04-04-2007, 09:18 PM

The age of consent merely states it's legal for them to have intercourse at that age... being able to be held legally responsible for a model release is another matter entirely. Filming and distribution also brings in other legal issues.

This thread had a bit of a shaky start but I do see what you're trying to say... can people really trust that the set with the hot girl in front of the ruins of a building in Russia is 100% legal?
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04-04-2007, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by GatorB

If you can't get me banned and then say you accepted my apology. Not sure what else you want.

I reported you when I first saw the post . . I can't make anybody do anything . . . I have no authority at all and I'm not with the 'cool crowd' . .

I'm just a shooter . . I just asked a simple question . . no more, no less . .

I have no interest in porn and only shoot for money because I needed a job, because I got disabled, to support my family . . and I'm working day and night to move away from porn . .

think before you accuse peeps of that stuff . . it's very, very, very serious . . more than you realize.
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04-04-2007, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by Wanton

I reported you when I first saw the post . . I can't make anybody do anything . . . I have no authority at all and I'm not with the 'cool crowd' . .

I'm just a shooter . . I just asked a simple question . . no more, no less . .

I have no interest in porn and only shoot for money because I needed a job, because I got disabled, to support my family . . and I'm working day and night to move away from porn . .

think before you accuse peeps of that stuff . . it's very, very, very serious . . more than you realize.

Well you took what I said the wrong way like others took your initial post asking about shooting 13 year olds for porn the wrong way. I hope the mods actually read the thread and take that into consideration. I'm not saying my comment wasn't crass, but it's not like you asked about what's my favorite pizza topping and I said "you're a pedo" for no reason, joking or not. So as I said I hope the CONTEXT of the thread is taken into account.
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04-04-2007, 09:26 PM

age of consent and being of legal age to sign off on a model release are 2 different things .. in Canada a model can perform in adult content at the age of 18 ..but only if she is living on her own and self reliant .. if she is 18 and still living with daddy she is not of legal age to sign off on a model release to perform in adult content .. she must be 19 ... funny though cause a model can perform in adult content make legal decisions to screw 100 guys on film and get paid for it at 18 but she can't even go for a beer after to wash the goo out of her mouth .. got to be 19 for that .. lol and I guess 21 in the good ol' US of fucking A

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04-04-2007, 09:31 PM

this thread took a crazy spin
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04-04-2007, 10:30 PM

12 is way to early
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04-04-2007, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by video_master_1

12 is way to early

I checked the age of consent for my area and it's officially 16, although there's an "acceptable defence" if the person is between 10-16 (yes it starts at TEN) and there's less than 2 years age difference.
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04-04-2007, 11:25 PM

I think that in order to photograph a model they have to reach the age of being able to sign a legally binding contract (the model release). In most european countries that age is around 18. That means that even though they have reached the age of consent for sex, they are not able to legally sign the model release (unless you ask their mother to sign for them!)

Besides the moral implications it is also unmarketable almost everywhere so why bother?
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04-05-2007, 04:56 AM

Originally posted by rowan

The age of consent merely states it's legal for them to have intercourse at that age... being able to be held legally responsible for a model release is another matter entirely. Filming and distribution also brings in other legal issues.

thanks, this is the type of answer I was looking for . .
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04-05-2007, 04:56 AM

Originally posted by darling2

I think that in order to photograph a model they have to reach the age of being able to sign a legally binding contract (the model release). In most european countries that age is around 18. That means that even though they have reached the age of consent for sex, they are not able to legally sign the model release (unless you ask their mother to sign for them!)

this answer too . . thanks
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04-05-2007, 08:33 AM

i don't side with anyone GatorB. i look at the facts and comment on those.
in this particular case you seem like a real dick shit and everyone seems to agree on this point.
i think everyone on this board would agree with me when i say with all due respect GatorB

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04-05-2007, 09:05 AM

I have never seen a thread with so much written between the lines.

And I do think Gatorb should be banned..there was not an ounce of sarcasm in those words.

Wanton, and myself, are often faced with shooting models 18-20 years old, even for most people this age is reasonable to be a mature adult, but many of the models have had a screwed up childhood and have yet to mature mentally.. I personally really feel most comfortable shooting models 21 and over, especially for hardcore content. But it really depends on the model and her level of maturity.

As for the question, I think Wanton is asking tongue in cheekl, as he is way to intelligent not to know the answer himself... so why is he asking ?

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04-05-2007, 09:26 AM

Originally posted by JP-pornshooter

As for the question, I think Wanton is asking tongue in cheekl, as he is way to intelligent not to know the answer himself... so why is he asking ?

nope didn't know the answer . . no clever tongue action on my part. was pointed out that 'the age of consent' is different form legal age to accept responsibility for one's actions . . I had no idea of the diff, however sure makes sense now that it's been pointed out to me

my personal opinion is that's it 'not okay' to watch peeps having sex . . that's just my personal opinion though and not one person at GFY gives a rats fuck what I think about it.

I also don't think children should be sexualized in any way at all, and have stopped watching TV years ago for this reason . . and I also think calvin klien should be in prison for the ads I've seen that are clearly CP to me . . . but then again, no one gives a fuck what I think.

and I agree that the dude tried to stick me . . I didn't see any sarcasm either in his post . ..
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04-05-2007, 09:36 AM

Originally posted by jakethedog

in Canada a model can perform in adult content at the age of 18 ..but only if she is living on her own and self reliant .. if she is 18 and still living with daddy she is not of legal age to sign off on a model release to perform in adult content .. she must be 19

Interesting. Assuming you're correct, I learned something today, thank you.

Anyways, as for the age to be able to perform and sign a release (ignoring the age of consent for a moment)...

WHY is 18 seemingly the standard? Why not 16? Why not 21? Is it because you're legally allowed to vote at 18, thus giving you that right? Then why can't you drink until 21? Why can you drive a car at 16? Who comes up with the legal ages and why are they set as they are?

"I" believe that a model is best served to wait until they're 21 to shoot adult material. Those 3 extra years allows them to mature and gives them more time to find themself. How many decisions do you make at 18 have the ever lasting effect like the decision to pose naked does? How many 18 year olds are mature enough to realize how permanent that one decision is?

Just because it's what we've grown up with 18 as the standard and it's the law, doesn't automatically make it right. People grew up with slavery as the norm and it was legal at one time, but that didn't make it right.
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04-05-2007, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by jakethedog

in Canada a model can perform in adult content at the age of 18 ..but only if she is living on her own and self reliant .. if she is 18 and still living with daddy she is not of legal age to sign off on a model release to perform in adult content .. she must be 19

Thinking about what you say here, this actually raises a lot of questions.

How many producers in Canada check the ID, see 18, and ask if they still live at home? Or does Daddy pay the rent? Without a legal statement saying as much, it seems like it would be quite easy for someone to come back and demand content be removed because Daddy actually WAS paying the rent and the model posed unbeknownst to him. If that's truly the law, I wouldn't touch a model under 19.
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04-05-2007, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by Wanton

nope didn't know the answer . . no clever tongue action on my part. was pointed out that 'the age of consent' is different form legal age to accept responsibility for one's actions . . I had no idea of the diff, however sure makes sense now that it's been pointed out to me

my personal opinion is that's it 'not okay' to watch peeps having sex . . that's just my personal opinion though and not one person at GFY gives a rats fuck what I think about it.

I also don't think children should be sexualized in any way at all, and have stopped watching TV years ago for this reason . . and I also think calvin klien should be in prison for the ads I've seen that are clearly CP to me . . . but then again, no one gives a fuck what I think.

and I agree that the dude tried to stick me . . I didn't see any sarcasm either in his post . ..

I was asked this question recently: Is it legal to shoot (and publish) hardcore content showing two sisters (over 18 yo) having sex, even the two models are not really sisters, just pretending.. for some reason i think it is illegal (in USA), but dont know the reason.. anyone ??

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04-05-2007, 09:54 AM

other than the typical GFY AC's . . some interesting stuff is coming up . .
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04-05-2007, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by JP-pornshooter

I was asked this question recently: Is it legal to shoot (and publish) hardcore content showing two sisters (over 18 yo) having sex, even the two models are not really sisters, just pretending.. for some reason i think it is illegal (in USA), but dont know the reason.. anyone ??

hummmm . . . ? plenty of sites with sisters and twins engaging in sexual activity . . hasn't been a problem . . so I would say it seems to be okay . . remember a few years ago when we all getting spamed with incest stuff? that was really creepy . . glad that went away . .
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04-05-2007, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by Wanton

hummmm . . . ? plenty of sites with sisters and twins engaging in sexual activity . . hasn't been a problem . . so I would say it seems to be okay . . remember a few years ago when we all getting spamed with incest stuff? that was really creepy . . glad that went away . .

I know of sites with "Sisters" posing together and/or having sex with a third or fourth party (without the sisters touching), but have yet to see a site promoting sisters having sex with each other.
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04-05-2007, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by ronaldo

I know of sites with "Sisters" posing together and/or having sex with a third or fourth party (without the sisters touching), but have yet to see a site promoting sisters having sex with each other.

yer right now that I think of it . . they work together however not with each other . . ain't no tell what in the hell is out there that we don't know about
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04-05-2007, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by Wanton

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe

how does this affect porn? can girls 13 be shot in Spain for porn sites? 16 in east euro? BTW I have no intention of going any where other than where I'm at to shoot . . . I'm interested in opinions about this . .

Age of consent in the US.. http://www.coolnurse.com/consent.htm

..now, what does age of consent have to do with pornography?

..and I'm off.
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04-05-2007, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by TeenGodFather

..now, what does age of consent have to do with pornography?

that's what I was trying to find out
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04-05-2007, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by Wanton

that's what I was trying to find out

As far as I know, nothing. Age of consent = age you can 'legally' have sex.

Add cameras to the equation, and it's almost instantly 18 all over the world, including europe.

..and I'm off.
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04-05-2007, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by JP-pornshooter

I have never seen a thread with so much written between the lines.

And I do think Gatorb should be banned..there was not an ounce of sarcasm in those words.

Yes because you can tell sarcasm from a computer screen. Go back and read my posts. Many are rude and crass and perhaps even "shocking" to some. Boy Alley has the "flaming homo" thing. Juicy has the self-deprecating giglio thing. Sticky has the Alex P Keaton thing going on. Everyone is different.

Listen Wanton wanted an apology I gave one, he accepted. Which part of that do you haters not get yet? This was between me and Wanton you and splum and Azoy need to keep you noses out of it. Everyone else so far gets that. I'm 100% sure that Wanton is fully capable of speaking for himself. END OF DISCUSSION.
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04-05-2007, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by Wanton

yer right now that I think of it . . they work together however not with each other . . ain't no tell what in the hell is out there that we don't know about

yeah the milton twins by example, but they are real twin sisters.. i am talking two models who just pose to be sisters..

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04-05-2007, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by JP-pornshooter

yeah the milton twins by example, but they are real twin sisters.. i am talking two models who just pose to be sisters..

Same thing I would assume. I don't think you can legally IMPLY or promote incest whether it's fake or not, just like you can't IMPLY or promote that someone is 16 or 17, even though they're really 20.

I'm not a lawyer however.
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04-05-2007, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by JP-pornshooter

yeah the milton twins by example, but they are real twin sisters.. i am talking two models who just pose to be sisters..

beats me, don't shoot sex so it will never matter to me . . it is an interesting question though . . . . . we'll gotta get to work and shoot this 'hot sister' I've got sitting a round over here . . no BJ though . . no test on her
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04-05-2007, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by Wanton

beats me, don't shoot sex so it will never matter to me . . it is an interesting question though . . . . . we'll gotta get to work and shoot this 'hot sister' I've got sitting a round over here . . no BJ though . . no test on her

dont forget to post pics..i am shooting friday and sat..but not today, just getting my shit together today.

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04-05-2007, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by ronaldo

Thinking about what you say here, this actually raises a lot of questions.

How many producers in Canada check the ID, see 18, and ask if they still live at home? Or does Daddy pay the rent? Without a legal statement saying as much, it seems like it would be quite easy for someone to come back and demand content be removed because Daddy actually WAS paying the rent and the model posed unbeknownst to him. If that's truly the law, I wouldn't touch a model under 19.

2 things ..1st what I have posted is true and the law in the eyes of the courts up here in Canada about the legal age of consent and legal age of actually being able to sign a legal and Binding contract .. secondly .. your absolutely right about the possibility of the model lying and Daddy finding out and coming and demanding the content be removed .. My lawyer has made it very clear to me that anytime i have shot a model at the age of 18 i am taking that risk .. and truthfully over the years I have pretty much just decided not to .. but there are of course occasions where we know flat out the model is " self reliant" and/or sometimes its just worth the risk .. 1 decent scene can generate decent money for years ..and when the time comes that there is a legal issue and it has to come down due to the contract being null and void .. truth is the money was made ..not to sound like an asshole .. but this is business and everyday you get into your vehicle to drive in to work your taking a calculated risk .. all the way from % at the bank to depending on which host or processor to deal with your content .. 1 more gamble/business decision in a day is not really the end of my world ..

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04-05-2007, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by jakethedog

2 things ..1st what I have posted is true and the law in the eyes of the courts up here in Canada about the legal age of consent and legal age of actually being able to sign a legal and Binding contract .. secondly .. your absolutely right about the possibility of the model lying and Daddy finding out and coming and demanding the content be removed .. My lawyer has made it very clear to me that anytime i have shot a model at the age of 18 i am taking that risk .. and truthfully over the years I have pretty much just decided not to .. but there are of course occasions where we know flat out the model is " self reliant" and/or sometimes its just worth the risk .. 1 decent scene can generate decent money for years ..and when the time comes that there is a legal issue and it has to come down due to the contract being null and void .. truth is the money was made ..not to sound like an asshole .. but this is business and everyday you get into your vehicle to drive in to work your taking a calculated risk .. all the way from % at the bank to depending on which host or processor to deal with your content .. 1 more gamble/business decision in a day is not really the end of my world ..

Very interesting. I'd love to know how many Canadian producers know this. I didn't. Thankfully, I'm not a producer.
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04-05-2007, 12:37 PM

most of the dudes on the west coast are aware and have been directed so by either myself or the same legal council I use .. Paul Kent Snow-Cell .. that Mac-daddy of the adult biz in Canada .. no question about it .. king of the shit pile ...

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04-05-2007, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by jakethedog

most of the dudes on the west coast are aware and have been directed so by either myself or the same legal council I use .. Paul Kent Snow-Cell .. that Mac-daddy of the adult biz in Canada .. no question about it .. king of the shit pile ...

man what a fucking hassle for sure . .
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