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^Originally posted by woj50........,
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LOL I just spit my tea all over the screen "You cheap ass dutch dickhead"
How are you Franck? Do you need help finding a designer that will be quick and reasonable? I might be able to help you tomorrow...
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for a site designOriginally posted by Franck
join page and several banners
if u can do it cheaper make sence for u to try to be a designer
for a pennyComment
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Originally posted by Franck
u have tcg in your sig
they pay your bills and pay webinc for such topnotch work 1500 usd
and they can pay more its not a problem
because most companies have good skills and the result will convert great and earn money
so why not to pay for a product that will allow u to earn way more then u spend on it?
also compare bmw z4 and bmw 645ci
both are convertibles but why the hell one car costs two times more then other?
why pay more ?
most people can drive honda civics but they prefer benz though they cost moreComment
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thanxOriginally posted by webgurli like your work alot
Cheers
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Oh FUCK $999!!! you mean quality designers want to actually earn some money by charging realistic prices? How dare they! You mean they're not one man show's working out of their bedrooms and competing with foreign outsourced labour working for $2 a day? BASTARDS!!!Originally posted by Franck
You'll see they charge $1299 for a 2 page tour - 1 more than the reality - 3:4 so $330 a page.. fucking good on them for charging as though they are professionals and not wendy's employees.. Once you factor in all the cheapskates that want sites done at half price and all the nightmare clients with 10 revisions they are never happy with, actually buying software licenses, wages, rent.... they might even end up making $20/hour. FOR SHAME!Comment
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Well, I will say that I wouldn't go trying to make points with samples I didn't know the facts behind. I will, however say, that we usually qoute reality desgin s bit differently but that does depend on exactly what the client wants to have done. In addition to which most of our packages (had you read the page) include banners, a splash page, a join page and then the tour pages.Originally posted by Franck
Not to mention the every site regardless of if it is reality or more traditional comes with the same level of customer service, the same attention to detail and the same history of converting. It is very easy for someone who doesn't sit there doing the work to claim it is over priced.Comment
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exactly..if prices were ripoffs and they didn't convert then places such as TCG,etc wouldn't have us and the other top designers designing for them over and over.Originally posted by mammyComment
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You are a smart cookie and a joy as a clientOriginally posted by WarChild
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He is not charging $999 for a site he is charging $999 for a fucking logo and some copy and paste work.Originally posted by bhutocracy
http://www.envisionextadult.com/PAY_SITES/plumbings/
Now think about this for a while till you get my point. Im gonna stop replying because most of you idiots dont even read what i fucking say. Totally clueless.
Everybody is replying how cheap i am blah blah. What the fuck does this thread have to do with that? I pay whatever is needed for a good design. Has absolutely nothing to do with the thread yet you idiots are stupid to understand this.Comment
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Fuck you morons piss me off. Stop replying with stuff that has NOTHING to do with what im saying. Im NOT looking for a design. Im NOT too cheap to pay for a good design. I have NO problem with people charging 1500 for a reality tour if they do it the way Kelly just described. CAN YOU MORONS UNDERSTAND THIS? Or do you have to keep replying that im too cheap to buy decent work?
God people are retarded on this board.Comment
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"Im gonna stop replying because most of you idiots dont even read what i fucking say. Totally clueless."Originally posted by Franck
It´s pretty obvious that it is YOU that have no idea what you´re talking about, Frankie-Boy!!Comment
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Think about this honestly for a second.. how many of their clients do you honestly think actually pay the full amount and mightn't this just be their premium price to allow a little bargaining room? And anyways doesn't a designer have the right to get $50-$100/hour without being called a thief? It's certainly normal rates outside of the designing-for-beer-money adult industry..Originally posted by Franck
Would *YOU* work for any less even though there are foreigners willing to work for 90% less?Last edited by bhutocracy; 09-22-2005, 06:37 AM.Comment
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Oh, so you meant "I surely hope someone didnt pay 1500 for this" in a nice way.Originally posted by FranckComment
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Originally posted by bhutocracy
Why is a fpa 100 bucks and as much work as 1 logo and 1 template which are sold for $999.
Please explain this logic to me. I cant wait to hear an explanation from experts like you and micke.Comment
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i am going out on a limb here and agree with franck...I know exactly what you are saying, and for 80% of the designers out there, it is the way...luckily, we have the other 20% that actually give a fuck and give us our moneys worthComment
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You speak gospel, sir.Originally posted by bhutocracyComment
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Yup, thats rightOriginally posted by Jace
You see its easy.
Its just people who dont like me and then automatically dont agree with me.Comment
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It's all about the TALENT you got. (and the time u have been around here)
(no offense but which almost none here has it)
If someone says 400-900 for a tour, is because the guy hiring him for the job can't afford a bigger company (bluedesignstudios?), so he goes with the cheap ass newbies amateur designers, which they can't refuse to lose 400$.
There's people who actually say they can design better than many of the guys here, but u go to his portfolio and see some shit ass design, and the guy still charges $1.5k+ for a design... why, because of the time...
Designers here that offers 400 for a tour, should consider charging what it is for the work they doing, some will go some will stay... but its all about the damn TALENT you got.
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Since you need it spelt outOriginally posted by Franck
envisionext pricing:
FPA = $200
3 page site (yes heavily templated) = $1000
1. THE SITE COMES FIRST. FPA's are made afterwards which means the logo's are already done and models are already cropped out... it's just rearranging the shit in the site psd.
2. Clients are far less precious about FPA's than they are with their "baby" Sites can have endless revisions.. FPA's are just based off the site so A. they're already happy with the look of it and B. It's not as important to them as the site so less fucking around.
You would probably find they make more money on $200 FPA's than $1000 sites.. even though you, with no clue whatsoever, see the same work for less.
Hope your non-expert knowledge vacancy has been filled.Comment
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For the record i have no negative opinion of you and aren't arguing for any other reason than the fact that it is painful to watch someone spout off when they are either misinformed or don't undestand the situation fully.Comment
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franck youre a cheap bastard that wont pay for decent work.Originally posted by Franck
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Originally posted by Franck
Frank, it is unfortunate that you do not see the equity in our design services, howerver you are making several ASSumptions in your posts.
Where does it say how much the plumbing design has actually cost?
There are plently of customers who enjoy our services, and can attest to that, they keep coming back time after time to get work done. They do not think we are thieves, as they know what they are paying for.
Price is a very relative issue, the only one who complains about price, is people who do not have money. When we save people hassle and time by delivering quality work the first time around, they consider their time is worth MORE then what they are paying for. It is quiet possible they could find a better deal, but what will it cost them in the end? My customers always know they can come to me and get what they are looking for, because i GUARANTEE IT in writing.
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Originally posted by SmokeyTheBearandy warhol made a mint selling art that everyone has seen a million times..
Get a real designer to make a logo for you, it might cost thousands of dollars for a simple swirl. Art is objective, and so is the pricing.. designs are basically art.. If you priced art by the amount of time it takes to create it, it wouldn't be worth much..
I think it should be criminal to charge 2 $ for a simple sodapop that costs 2cents , but i wouldnt get very far with my argument Most things are worth exactly what the customer will pay , nothing more , nothing less
you have the point there sir
hello too sirComment
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Originally posted by WarChild
for you sir
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Originally posted by AlienQ
Good mothafuckin post...
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What it boils down to is...
Design it yourself...
Then go cry somemore...Comment
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need some popcorn.... wait
its a Royal Rumble!!!Comment
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