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  • woj
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    • Jul 2002
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      • wtfent
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        • Nov 2003
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        #52
        Damn this thread is crazy!
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          • bhutocracy
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            • Dec 2001
            • 10218
            #53
            Originally posted by AlienQ
            I am just half awake and gettin the post count thing going.

            Oh hey I know...

            I am going to go Play my PSP some. It has a Linux variant in it
            Like a MAC.

            Sony is going to put Apple out of business in a buy out. I think it is strange that the SONY PSP has some "Mac" qualities in it. Its not a coincidence.

            Watch.
            Macs will always have a stranglehold on the creative marketplace and they play up to it most obsequiously. "Think different" is just a tagline used to play up to creative director's ego's to justify paying more for a machine that does less. But if anyone can wrest the latte sippers away from mac it would be Sony... but inroads... jeez.. every graphic design college in the world runs on macs even if it is changing slowly... but if the pupils are taught on macs and grow up to be teachers they teach on macs too.. it goes beyond hardware.

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              • wtfent
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                • Nov 2003
                • 3790
                #54
                Does love dollars pay for those post or what? How do I get a bot that post my sig every 50th post? Life is just not fair.
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                  • WarChild
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                    • Jan 2003
                    • 17263
                    #55
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                      • WarChild
                        Let slip the dogs of war.
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 17263
                        #56
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                          • WarChild
                            Let slip the dogs of war.
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 17263
                            #57
                            And finally ... this sums up this thread:

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                              • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                best designer on GFY
                                • Mar 2003
                                • 30307
                                #58
                                Well the difference between MAC and PC is minor. If you know a PC you should Know a MAC and vice Versa.

                                I really do not care either way, I use both its not a big deal.

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                                  • dylan4U
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Aug 2005
                                    • 521
                                    #59
                                    I have had my poweMAC G4 for 4 years and it . Everything works 100% I have not had any problems for all that time. And I can use nerly all new softrware. Can you use a new software on 4 years old PC? I do not think so.

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                                      • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                        • Mar 2003
                                        • 30307
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by dylan4U
                                        I have had my poweMAC G4 for 4 years and it . Everything works 100% I have not had any problems for all that time. And I can use nerly all new softrware. Can you use a new software on 4 years old PC? I do not think so.
                                        Why yes you can why wouldnt you be able to?

                                        I can install Photoshop 2.5 on my PC and it will still work ( Theoretically ) and thats umm well ghee alot longer than 4 years. It would suck because color ranges etc would suck but none the less...

                                        How about WSFTP, thats been around for ever as a simple EXE proggie.
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                                          • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                            best designer on GFY
                                            • Mar 2003
                                            • 30307
                                            #61
                                            I am out gnight

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                                              • bhutocracy
                                                Not making A Comeback
                                                • Dec 2001
                                                • 10218
                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                Well the difference between MAC and PC is minor. If you know a PC you should Know a MAC and vice Versa.

                                                I really do not care either way, I use both its not a big deal.
                                                You'd think so, but a college isn't going to risk it when they buy 100k of new computers when they've got their established dealer and repair people.. also the risk of attracting lecturers that might be weighing up between two jobs.
                                                People have an irrational fear of using a different machine.. in reality 99% of what they would be doing it identical.. I mean photoshop on the PC is no different to the mac except easier to use with alt+ shortcuts.

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                                                  • aico
                                                    Moo Moo Cow
                                                    • Mar 2004
                                                    • 14748
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                    Why yes you can why wouldnt you be able to?

                                                    I can install Photoshop 2.5 on my PC and it will still work ( Theoretically ) and thats umm well ghee alot longer than 4 years. It would suck because color ranges etc would suck but none the less...

                                                    How about WSFTP, thats been around for ever as a simple EXE proggie.
                                                    Um, that's using Old Software on a New PC... he said New Softward on an Old Mac...

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                                                      • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                        best designer on GFY
                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                        • 30307
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by aico
                                                        Um, that's using Old Software on a New PC... he said New Softward on an Old Mac...
                                                        Good point and thats why I am going to bed.

                                                        I stay up much longer I might go into an episode.

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                                                          • bhutocracy
                                                            Not making A Comeback
                                                            • Dec 2001
                                                            • 10218
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by aico
                                                            Um, that's using Old Software on a New PC... he said New Softward on an Old Mac...
                                                            It was a retarded statement that didn't really require answering in the first place.. everyone has old computers they run new stuff on. Trying to quantify it with subjective experiences from partisan sources would be retarded. I've got a PC here almost 5 years old that runs all the latest stuff. *shrugs* a pointless argument.

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                                                              • wtfent
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                                                                • Nov 2003
                                                                • 3790
                                                                #66
                                                                Im kind of out of this thread cause I am way to tired and have wasted like two hours on here. good night. I think.
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                                                                  • AVM
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                                                                    • Feb 2004
                                                                    • 1890
                                                                    #67
                                                                    but after a while you will start to laugh at people who use PCs and start to think of your self as part of an elite group that is smarter than the rest of the world.
                                                                    It's called an inferiority complex.

                                                                    In Fight Club fashion-
                                                                    Replace you are not your job, with "You are not your computer".

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                                                                      • webcrawler
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                                                                        • Aug 2004
                                                                        • 2692
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by Kanon
                                                                        You're not smarter than the rest of the world, you're not superior, you're not elite.

                                                                        Macs serve thier place for certain types of people, but for the masses Windows is great.
                                                                        Amen brother. Choice of a pc or mac should always be supported of the needs on who's going to use it. I've heard comments that mac is far better than the pc but its just expensive and not all softwares in the market can run on it.

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                                                                          • Wiggles
                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                            • May 2004
                                                                            • 14423
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Macs are like Aol for internet, they are for people who don't actually understand how a thing is supposed to work, so they buy a 'user friendly model' aka i'm a retard and can't learn, make it easy for me!
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                                                                              • Kanon
                                                                                Registered User
                                                                                • May 2005
                                                                                • 91
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by dylan4U
                                                                                I have had my poweMAC G4 for 4 years and it . Everything works 100% I have not had any problems for all that time. And I can use nerly all new softrware. Can you use a new software on 4 years old PC? I do not think so.
                                                                                Funny, because my PC is just a little older than 4 years and I *still* play any new game released, and use all the new programs. When I built it I made sure I did it right, with a great motherboard and a great AMD processor and with a few minor upgrades through the years it's still going strong. And at the time there were faster processors available (but much more expensive for the cost/performance ratio).

                                                                                Enthusiasts are the most retarded bunch ever. You think because one thing suits your needs you feel the urge to push it down everyone's throat like it's the next coming of christ. I'm quite versed on building computers and technical knowledge and when a customer asks me to build them a PC the first thing out of my mouth is "What do you need it to do?", not "Oh here I'll make you this"

                                                                                So go ahead, call yourself elite. You're so intelligent. In the meantime those who actually know what they're talking about sit and laugh at you.

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                                                                                  • Probono
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                    • 2731
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Silly rabbits, some facts.

                                                                                    1. Unless you have used a Mac since OsX it is not something to compare to todays' Mac.
                                                                                    2. Osx is Free BSD with an Apple GUI, rock solid Unix OS with an excellent gui.
                                                                                    3. Macs are trouble free compared to Windows, very few viruses, trojans etc.
                                                                                    4. Because the OS is BSD to transition to Intel will be easy for most software.
                                                                                    5. Market share may be small but I like BMW's more than Chevys also; you get what you pay for.
                                                                                    6. If windows suits you stick with it, if you want better and are willing to pay more for it try a Mac.

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                                                                                      • StuartD
                                                                                        Sofa King Band
                                                                                        • Jul 2002
                                                                                        • 29903
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Macs are for people who are incapable of figuring out a PC, who are incapable of being able to do upgrades, who are incapable of thinking for themselves.

                                                                                        Macs are the "userfriendly" computer that will never need it's user to do more than stare blankly at the screen.

                                                                                        That being said, for music composition, for design and various other tasks... a Mac is a much better computer for the simple reason that the programs created for it are superior.

                                                                                        For doing business, the PC is the way to go as the Mac programs are still lacking.

                                                                                        For applications, it's not a matter of which computer is better at this point.. it's a question of which platform has had more experience in creating the software.

                                                                                        Neither computer is "wrong" or "worse"... they just have their strengths and weaknesses like everything else and you have to make your choice based on your own personal preference.
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                                                                                          • davidd
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                                                                                            • Jul 2003
                                                                                            • 1076
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by aico
                                                                                            ya ya ya, Intel is making Chips for Mac... but just because Intel makes the chip, doesn't mean it has to be PC based... I am sure they are capable of making a similar chip to Motorola.

                                                                                            The reason why Mac dropped Motorola is because they couldn't promise to keep making a fast enough chip, where as Intel said that they could do it.

                                                                                            I am willing to be that the new chip will be very similar to what the G5's are using now. As far as I know (and that could be a short distance) it's the OS that ultimately runs the programs, not the chip.
                                                                                            What? Intel is going to make a 'special' chip that will only be used for 3% of the market?

                                                                                            Let's face it, when Apple goes to Intel, Apple will be selling a piece of software like Windows. So if the architecture is the same, and I can install Linux, Windows, FreeBSD, or MacOS (freeBSD with a GUI) on my Intel based machine.... which one am I going to install? The choice depends on what I am using it for.

                                                                                            I wouldn't install Linux on my worst enemy's machine, so that eliminates that.

                                                                                            I would only install FreeBSD on a server.

                                                                                            I would only install Windows if I wanted to use every peice of software known to man, and not deal with niche bullshit.

                                                                                            I would only install MacOS (what I am calling it, marketing gurus will rename it) if I wanted to be 'cool', vote Domocrat, run 10% of available software, and drive my microbus around SunnyVale. Peace brother.

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                                                                                              • Fred Quimby
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                                                                                                • Jul 2004
                                                                                                • 5430
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                PC software = FREE and fun

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                                                                                                  • psili
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Apr 2003
                                                                                                    • 5526
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Great points.

                                                                                                    Personally, I hate Macs because of all the elitist designers who think their special.

                                                                                                    Here's a tip to all designers out there: Just because you use a Mac for creative purposes, does not make you special or elite - just makes you another "designer" type person, who most likely creates shitty designs on a high-priced machine.

                                                                                                    Yea, retarded answer; I know.



                                                                                                    Originally posted by NichePay - StuartD
                                                                                                    Macs are for people who are incapable of figuring out a PC, who are incapable of being able to do upgrades, who are incapable of thinking for themselves.

                                                                                                    Macs are the "userfriendly" computer that will never need it's user to do more than stare blankly at the screen.

                                                                                                    That being said, for music composition, for design and various other tasks... a Mac is a much better computer for the simple reason that the programs created for it are superior.

                                                                                                    For doing business, the PC is the way to go as the Mac programs are still lacking.

                                                                                                    For applications, it's not a matter of which computer is better at this point.. it's a question of which platform has had more experience in creating the software.

                                                                                                    Neither computer is "wrong" or "worse"... they just have their strengths and weaknesses like everything else and you have to make your choice based on your own personal preference.
                                                                                                    Last edited by psili; 09-09-2005, 06:41 AM.
                                                                                                    Your post count means nothing.

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                                                                                                      • wtfent
                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                        • Nov 2003
                                                                                                        • 3790
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        Damn so many stupid people on GFY. Im not saying your stupid for using a PC but I think your stupid for trying to argue with me. I have used PCs before alot in the past and still do from time to time. Most of you have never really spent much time on a mac so what room do you have to speak, really? Macs are a better built, higher quality product. END OF STORY!
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                                                                                                          • GatorB
                                                                                                            The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                                            • Oct 2001
                                                                                                            • 18208
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Originally posted by wtfent
                                                                                                            Im not saying your stupid for using a PC but I think your stupid for trying to argue with me.
                                                                                                            You're right. No point in arguing with you. Too do so is stupid. Kind of like arguing with a rock.

                                                                                                            I have used PCs before alot in the past and still do from time to time. Most of you have never really spent much time on a mac so what room do you have to speak, really? Macs are a better built, higher quality product. END OF STORY!
                                                                                                            Once again let's just say you are right. Who fucking cares? Why do Apple people always get their panties in a bunch when PC people don't praise Apple? I have yet to see ONE PC person try to convince and Apple person to switch. WHY? Because we don't give a fuck what you use. Don't you have better things to worry about?

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                                                                                                              • wtfent
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                                                                                                                • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                • 3790
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                                                                You're right. No point in arguing with you. Too do so is stupid. Kind of like arguing with a rock.



                                                                                                                Once again let's just say you are right. Who fucking cares? Why do Apple people always get their panties in a bunch when PC people don't praise Apple? I have yet to see ONE PC person try to convince and Apple person to switch. WHY? Because we don't give a fuck what you use. Don't you have better things to worry about?

                                                                                                                I was just telling everybody a fact. You started the pissing match. Come on dude, its only obvious. MMMM lets see.... All the mac people make such a big deal and tell all their friends, coworkers, etc... about their macs like most people do when they are very impressed with something, just like a movie. I think the fact that nobody ever does that about PCs should tell you something. And you say Im retarded?
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                                                                                                                  • GatorB
                                                                                                                    The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                                                    • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                    • 18208
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by wtfent
                                                                                                                    I was just telling everybody a fact.
                                                                                                                    No you stated an OPINION.

                                                                                                                    You started the pissing match.
                                                                                                                    No you did witrh YOURSELF, becuase no one else cares

                                                                                                                    Come on dude, its only obvious. MMMM lets see.... All the mac people make such a big deal and tell all their friends, coworkers, etc... about their macs like most people do when they are very impressed with something, just like a movie.
                                                                                                                    Sounds a lot like AMWAY or a cult. Wait those 2 are the same thing.

                                                                                                                    I think the fact that nobody ever does that about PCs should tell you something.
                                                                                                                    I don't have to tell everyone that fucking a pussy feels good, so pussy must suck?

                                                                                                                    And you say Im retarded?
                                                                                                                    Did I? Brainwashed maybe. I wouldn't want to insult the mentally handicaped by calling you retarded.

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                                                                                                                      • wtfent
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                                                                                                                        • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                        • 3790
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        GATOR B I LOVE YOU MAN!!!! Just giving you a hard time. Im usually the nice guy on here so its fun to be a dick now and then. Macs are still better though.
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                                                                                                                          • jimmyf
                                                                                                                            OU812
                                                                                                                            • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                            • 12651
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            if you are a company that writes software, what market would you write it for 3% or the 97% of the market.

                                                                                                                            back in the 1980's I helped with some process control software and doing a version for Apple didn't even enter the picture.

                                                                                                                            if I was a designer I might use one but can't think of any other reason..

                                                                                                                            Apple was smart in the early days, giving away computers 2 schools.
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                                                                                                                              • GatorB
                                                                                                                                The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                                                                • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                • 18208
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by wtfent
                                                                                                                                GATOR B I LOVE YOU MAN!!!! Just giving you a hard time. Im usually the nice guy on here so its fun to be a dick now and then. Macs are still better though.
                                                                                                                                I should get a cut of what you make on your sigs.

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                                                                                                                                  • Rexk
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                                                                                                                                    • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                    • 704
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Im gonna weigh in here....there is no software that I wish I have that I dont have with MAC...so that argument is bullshit...We do not even own a PC here...all MACS...I have virtual PC on one computer and its just so the owner can play party poker...I never break down...dont get virus...dont get fatal errors...shit just works...like the energizer rabbit

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                                                                                                                                      • Jace
                                                                                                                                        FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                                                                                                        • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                        • 35562
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        i use both, i like both

                                                                                                                                        but i prefer the pc over the mac...i can do so much more, mainly cause I know it

                                                                                                                                        but I like them both for their own reasons

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                                                                                                                                          • directfiesta
                                                                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                            • 30176
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by WarChild

                                                                                                                                            Beta was better than VHS, but VHS became the standard. After that, owning a Beta was just stupid. Same thing goes for the corporate world and PC. Unless of course you're in graphic design / publishing.
                                                                                                                                            100% right...

                                                                                                                                            Much more sotware for PC, cheaper parts ...

                                                                                                                                            Mu first server was a something 7000 .. don't remember on two ISDN lines ... LOL . Couldn't even have a software to do automatic thumbs ...
                                                                                                                                            I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                                                                                                            But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                                                                                                              • GatorB
                                                                                                                                                The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                                                                                • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                • 18208
                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Rexk
                                                                                                                                                Im gonna weigh in here....there is no software that I wish I have that I dont have with MAC...so that argument is bullshit...We do not even own a PC here...all MACS...I have virtual PC on one computer and its just so the owner can play party poker...I never break down...dont get virus...dont get fatal errors...shit just works...like the energizer rabbit

                                                                                                                                                I don't want to hear the "no virus" crap. Of coure you don't get virus because what retarded hacker is going to waste time on the 3% of Mac owners? The person that writes a Mac virus will get laughed out of the hacker community. Same thing with FireFox lovers. They said the same crap. Now that they are getting more popular, guess what, hackers are writing virus for them. Hmmm funny how that works. If Macs even got to be 10% of the market you would start to see viruses for them. Macs not getting viruses have NOTHING to do with it being a "better" product" and everything to do with hackers being pragmatic.

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                                                                                                                                                  • Jace
                                                                                                                                                    FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                                                                                                                    • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                                    • 35562
                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    oh, and yeah, the parts issue

                                                                                                                                                    when I want something for my pc, i go onto www.pricewatch.com and find it for damn near wholesale cost....and I use a LOT of pc parts

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                                                                                                                                                      • iwantchixx
                                                                                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                        • 12860
                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        Honnestly this "Mac is better than PC" is like saying my dad can beat up your dad. NOBODY CARES.

                                                                                                                                                        People don't buy Macs for many reasons. First being cost. It just does NOT make sense to spend that much money on something a PC can do just fine. Then there's the falacy that macs are more stable. Nope. A pc is just as stable. It's just a matter of what the end user loads on the PC. I've been in win2k for a long time... no complaints aside from typical stuff liek data coruption over time which even a Mac is able to succumb to.

                                                                                                                                                        Enjoy your false sense of being better than every one because you have a mac.

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                                                                                                                                                          • Rexk
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                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            So Join the 3%

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                                                                                                                                                              • iwantchixx
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                                                                                                                                                                • Oct 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                gatorb, your argument might be spot on if you reworded the part where hackers make viruses.

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                                                                                                                                                                  • Young
                                                                                                                                                                    Bland for life
                                                                                                                                                                    • Nov 2004
                                                                                                                                                                    • 10468
                                                                                                                                                                    #91
                                                                                                                                                                    A new two button mouse for the Mac is great. But now add some reasonable functionality to that right button and I'm all over it.
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                                                                                                                                                                      • psili
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                                                                                                                                                                        • Apr 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                        #92
                                                                                                                                                                        You're a grumpy, grumpy poster but totally right here.

                                                                                                                                                                        All OS' have vulnerabilities - just windows gets exploited more because it's more prevalent. Being more prevalent means it's a bigger payoff to exploit. Just reading the topics in Phrack will let you know nothing is safe from breakdown (yea, I only partially understand the table of contents on that site).

                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                                                                                                                        I don't want to hear the "no virus" crap. Of coure you don't get virus because what retarded hacker is going to waste time on the 3% of Mac owners? The person that writes a Mac virus will get laughed out of the hacker community. Same thing with FireFox lovers. They said the same crap. Now that they are getting more popular, guess what, hackers are writing virus for them. Hmmm funny how that works. If Macs even got to be 10% of the market you would start to see viruses for them. Macs not getting viruses have NOTHING to do with it being a "better" product" and everything to do with hackers being pragmatic.
                                                                                                                                                                        Your post count means nothing.

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                                                                                                                                                                          • assmunk
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                                                                                                                                                                            wanna concentrate on your work and are willing to compromise configurability?-----MAC

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                                                                                                                                                                                So thats what gets GFY horny, huh? Computer talk. MMMMM sexy.
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