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It just amazes me the thread starter and several people in here completely have no idea what happened during World War II. Somehow I suspect there is some anti-American sentiment behind some of the postings and probably the thread starter. Any third grader in most civilized nations knows the conventional history of World War II. I think anti-American sentiment is driving a movement to revise history and make all the United States good deeds look like simple propaganda. After all the good the people and government of the United States has done for most of the world, liberating countries from tyranical rule, given more humanitarian aid than all the countries of the world combined, etc. This country isnt perfect and we make mistakes but we make them with good intentions in mind.Comment
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Two words : Atomic Diplomacy...Comment
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well those dirty fucking japs were part of the "axis of evil" a group of dirty fucks that killed over 6 million jews throughout Europe....so you tell me who has blood on their fucking hands......dirty fucking dictator and the cocksucking jap emporer deserved everything they got!Comment
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The Japanese government showed the world over and over that they had absolutely no regard for human life. Truman showed incredible restraint at not dropping more of them.You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.Comment
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then your german friends must be your age
cause nowadays it's a big topic - of course. unfortunately not many kids are interested in it though - which is a shame.
i'm not a fan of feeling guilty just cause i'm german - i'm too young for that. but at least history may not be forgotten to learn from it for the future.
which would btw apply to a lot of other countries too
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yeah, sure. including movies, documentaries etc. like schindlers list for example
and there are lots of documentaries on tv about this topic - including all nasty pics of auschwitz, treblinka or mauthausen.
the bad thing is: you can't force the kids to look and respect what they see while the neo nazis are waiting outside the school with free CDs of nazi music and free beer. which unfortunately happens in some parts of the countryComment
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Splum, you tend to put it black and white. Sure, there are extremists, but just because someone disagree doesn't make people anti-american. Hitler was a bad guy, but I don't hate the German people today. Stalin was bad, but I don't hate Russians today. USA did a good job in Europe, Africa and Pacific, but I think using the atomic bombs was a wrong decision. But I don't hate american because of that, the decision was made by few people.
Today most of us live in democracy, and in democracy you have the right to disagree. Its not that simple as "either with - or against". If someone ask me to join beating up a guy, and I say no, that doesn't make me unfriendly.. I just don't want to fight.Last edited by Dirty Dane; 02-25-2007, 11:26 AM.Comment
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fuck you.
"completely no idea of what happened" is a fucking stretch
It occurred to me there may have been a different way and i brought the topic up for debate. Whats funny, or maybe even not, is how insecure some of you guys are. Ive been lurking on gfy for years and ive learned very much from those that comment with a perspective that ive never seen before. This thread got me to read wikipedia for about an hour about the war, i brought up a way that we could have achieved the same result with less civilian casualties, and some great points were brought up along the way, by rochard adl colin and others, at no point in this discussion was i dead set on my point
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This was my senior thesis in college...this argument is in a state of perpetual circular logic here
If you can take anything from what happened...be constructive
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Well...the argument in this thread is whether it should have been used on a metropolis or if another location could have been an effective demonstration. That's the initial post.
And yes, they were warned. Several times."..and which one of you had the prime rib?" - Waiter
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Correct.
...and we hit industrial.Originally posted by pornopete
Exactly.
Based on the fanaticism the US was coming across in the populations as they retook the island, the US would have had to fight military, and civilans. There were plenty of Japanese killing themselves as the Americans had gotten closer. The bomb saved 100,000's of American and Japanese lives.Comment
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jesus christ are we really arguing about WW2?Comment
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No, read the posts, you misunderstand what Im trying to say.
Some people say they were warned, but I say they were not. Its not about the targets, but if there were leaflets before the first bomb.
Anyway, before the second bomb, they warned people to evacuate every city in Japan and not the specific cities. 2 days to evacuate each city in the hole country was kinda short time.Comment
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Question: when was anyone warned prior to any other bombing raid in the entire 5+ years of WWII? Was the warning of the target a common practice? If it was it's news to me. "Hey Germany, we're coming with 350 B-29's to level one of your cities this Tuesday night, just giving you fair warning"
Why not get off the cock about warnings and focus on the more relevant fact that they (Japan) were given ample opportunities to surrender prior to the nukings.
Why do you people insist on blathering on and on and ON with this when everything, every miniscule point, has already been posted about and yapped about on this thread? Really, what else is there to say?
You could take this to 20 pages and guess what? You still won't have everyone agreeing with you, and the nukes back in 1945 will still have been dropped.
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Maybe before posting you should check your history !Originally posted by pornopete
If you had you would know
a) The US warned Japan about the bomb before they dropped it !
B)The US dropped a bomb and Japan still didn't surrender
C)If you look at what happened when the allies invaded the Japanese home islands the japanese faught to the very last man woman and child including suicide bombers.
D)The Germans had sent a U-boat filled with all sorts of booty including nuclear scientists and material,Plans for V1 ,V2 and other revenge weapons !
E)The US killed more people in firebombing raids over Japan than the A bombs did so this is a pretty pointless thread !
and relax !
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