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  • J$tyle$
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Apr 2003
    • 11500

    #51
    Originally posted by Mark Kickass
    I thank Kenny for bringing me out of my shell and getting me to finally register on GFY and JBM. It pains me to read all these negative comments, because anyone who knows me or my company knows that I’m a good guy who goes out of my way to do the right thing. Here’s a brief history of what happened from my side.

    I already knew AJ, who originally owned the two kickass domain names in question and continued to run them. Apparently at some point he turned ownership of them over to Kenny in Canada because of 2257 considerations. I didn’t want to own sites, but my attorney said that if I knowingly allowed a “Kick Ass” site to operate, it could harm my federal trademark. (As anyone who owns a trademark knows, you have to defend that trademark against infringement or it becomes worthless.)

    So I entered into negotiations with AJ, trying to cut a deal in which he still ran the sites and made as much money as always, but they at least promoted some Kick Ass products. The deal never materialized, due to 2257 legal considerations that I won’t bore anyone with. At the end of those months, AJ and I shook hands as friends. I told him that it was nothing personal, but my attorney had advised me that I had to defend my trademark, so I was obligated to bring the matter to ICANN.

    In my eyes, this has been a win-win situation, because I have a record of defending my trademark, and Kenny got to keep the sites. Yes I could have purchased the domains, but the asking price was about 10 times what it cost me to file with ICANN, and as I said before, I never had a desire to own those domains.

    For the record, I have only resorted to ICANN once before, to get the domain name barefootconfidential.com. In that case, I believe the name was registered in bad faith because my trademarked Barefoot Confidential video series had been around for years and had won numerous AVN Awards, and someone else was profiting from that. (And let’s face it, Barefoot Confidential is not a “generic” term like kick ass, which is why I won that case and lost this one.)

    Anyway, I felt I had to explain my side of the story. I’m going to be at the Phoenix Forum next month, and I invite anyone who still thinks I’m a big, bad, litigious ogre to say hi and decide for yourself. And Kenny, if I see you there, I’ll buy you a drink to show there are no hard feelings.

    Mark Kulkis
    President, Kick Ass Pictures
    Nicely said, Mark

    Jonathan

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    • Silly Guy
      Confirmed User
      • Jan 2007
      • 1421

      #52
      uh oh let's see how this turns out

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      • interracialtoons
        Confirmed User
        • May 2006
        • 1910

        #53
        Originally posted by Mark Kickass
        I thank Kenny for bringing me out of my shell and getting me to finally register on GFY and JBM. It pains me to read all these negative comments, because anyone who knows me or my company knows that I’m a good guy who goes out of my way to do the right thing. Here’s a brief history of what happened from my side.

        I already knew AJ, who originally owned the two kickass domain names in question and continued to run them. Apparently at some point he turned ownership of them over to Kenny in Canada because of 2257 considerations. I didn’t want to own sites, but my attorney said that if I knowingly allowed a “Kick Ass” site to operate, it could harm my federal trademark. (As anyone who owns a trademark knows, you have to defend that trademark against infringement or it becomes worthless.)

        So I entered into negotiations with AJ, trying to cut a deal in which he still ran the sites and made as much money as always, but they at least promoted some Kick Ass products. The deal never materialized, due to 2257 legal considerations that I won’t bore anyone with. At the end of those months, AJ and I shook hands as friends. I told him that it was nothing personal, but my attorney had advised me that I had to defend my trademark, so I was obligated to bring the matter to ICANN.

        In my eyes, this has been a win-win situation, because I have a record of defending my trademark, and Kenny got to keep the sites. Yes I could have purchased the domains, but the asking price was about 10 times what it cost me to file with ICANN, and as I said before, I never had a desire to own those domains.

        For the record, I have only resorted to ICANN once before, to get the domain name barefootconfidential.com. In that case, I believe the name was registered in bad faith because my trademarked Barefoot Confidential video series had been around for years and had won numerous AVN Awards, and someone else was profiting from that. (And let’s face it, Barefoot Confidential is not a “generic” term like kick ass, which is why I won that case and lost this one.)

        Anyway, I felt I had to explain my side of the story. I’m going to be at the Phoenix Forum next month, and I invite anyone who still thinks I’m a big, bad, litigious ogre to say hi and decide for yourself. And Kenny, if I see you there, I’ll buy you a drink to show there are no hard feelings.

        Mark Kulkis
        President, Kick Ass Pictures
        I think your lawyer was wrong because generally "The failure to persue a particular case dose not prevent the persuit of a future case".

        If it did then I could commit a shitload of crimes then claim the DA can't persue my case since there are many similar cases the DA didn't persue.

        In other words :"The other guy who was speeding didn't get stopped" is not an excuse.
        Last edited by interracialtoons; 02-22-2007, 03:00 PM.
        Done.

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        • Hollywood Horwitz
          Porn To ROCK!
          • Dec 2003
          • 4357

          #54
          Originally posted by DVDDollars
          I've always liked the guys at KickAss.
          yep, Vic Kick Ass is my personal good friend and a legend in the music scene. He played in the biggest hardcore band of all time with Zac De La Rocha from Rage Against the Machine.

          here's a pic of Vic and Zac rocking out!
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          • Hollywood Horwitz
            Porn To ROCK!
            • Dec 2003
            • 4357

            #55
            Not to turn this thread into a thread about Vic Kick Ass but check him rock the axe here,LOL. very metal!
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            • Far-L
              Confirmed User
              • Feb 2002
              • 6065

              #56
              Originally posted by Mark Kickass
              I thank Kenny for bringing me out of my shell and getting me to finally register on GFY and JBM. It pains me to read all these negative comments, because anyone who knows me or my company knows that I?m a good guy who goes out of my way to do the right thing. Here?s a brief history of what happened from my side.

              I already knew AJ, who originally owned the two kickass domain names in question and continued to run them. Apparently at some point he turned ownership of them over to Kenny in Canada because of 2257 considerations. I didn?t want to own sites, but my attorney said that if I knowingly allowed a ?Kick Ass? site to operate, it could harm my federal trademark. (As anyone who owns a trademark knows, you have to defend that trademark against infringement or it becomes worthless.)

              So I entered into negotiations with AJ, trying to cut a deal in which he still ran the sites and made as much money as always, but they at least promoted some Kick Ass products. The deal never materialized, due to 2257 legal considerations that I won?t bore anyone with. At the end of those months, AJ and I shook hands as friends. I told him that it was nothing personal, but my attorney had advised me that I had to defend my trademark, so I was obligated to bring the matter to ICANN.

              In my eyes, this has been a win-win situation, because I have a record of defending my trademark, and Kenny got to keep the sites. Yes I could have purchased the domains, but the asking price was about 10 times what it cost me to file with ICANN, and as I said before, I never had a desire to own those domains.

              For the record, I have only resorted to ICANN once before, to get the domain name barefootconfidential.com. In that case, I believe the name was registered in bad faith because my trademarked Barefoot Confidential video series had been around for years and had won numerous AVN Awards, and someone else was profiting from that. (And let?s face it, Barefoot Confidential is not a ?generic? term like kick ass, which is why I won that case and lost this one.)

              Anyway, I felt I had to explain my side of the story. I?m going to be at the Phoenix Forum next month, and I invite anyone who still thinks I?m a big, bad, litigious ogre to say hi and decide for yourself. And Kenny, if I see you there, I?ll buy you a drink to show there are no hard feelings.

              Mark Kulkis
              President, Kick Ass Pictures

              Hey Mark, welcome to GFY and don't mind the negative comments... most are made by people who never had to defend a trademark. Kenny is a good guy and someone I would recommend to anyone in this biz. Hope you guys can work it out now so that it is a win-win and you both can step to making cash together.

              Your friend and former nemesis, the guy with the Dr. Seuss sounding name...
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              • Fap
                Just Du It
                • Feb 2004
                • 12094

                #57
                grats on your victory

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                • Hell House Vic
                  Pay to Cum
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 1029

                  #58
                  Originally posted by crockett
                  Seriously dude, it would be one thing if you trade marked a unique term or something that was yours specifically.. But when you try and steal peoples sites because they use very common words that are close to your trade mark.. Well then IMO you suck.
                  I think yuze all need to chill out. first of all it has nothing to do with you. Second of all, it's not saytanic. it's business. get a grip not a gripe. stop crying, get back to business.

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                  • Hell House Vic
                    Pay to Cum
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 1029

                    #59
                    Originally posted by Kenny B!
                    Thanks Vic



                    I would have done differently if the roles were reversed because I would have known that the domains weren?t infringing on the trademark. But that?s just me. For future refrence Paragraph 4(a) of the Policy requires that the Complainant must prove each of the following three elements to obtain an order that a domain name should be cancelled or transferred:

                    (1) the domain name registered by the Respondent is identical or confusingly similar to a trademark or service mark in which the Complainant has rights;
                    (2) the Respondent has no rights or legitimate interests in respect of the domain name; and
                    (3) the domain name has been registered and is being used in bad faith.

                    Honestly your company should re-think your legal counsel. You spent a lot of money to file this claim and your lawyer should have advised you differently from the start. He had his best interests at heart, not yours.
                    I appreciate your level response. I would prefer to speak to you directly rather than over this board.

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                    • Halcyon
                      Spread The Pink!
                      • Dec 2002
                      • 8609

                      #60
                      Originally posted by Hollywood Horwitz
                      Not to turn this thread into a thread about Vic Kick Ass but check him rock the axe here,LOL. very metal!
                      1) Vic is kickass.

                      2) KickAss Pictures did everything by the book in this situation. No malice. No ill will.

                      3) If you want to look at an example of an UNcool way to defend your mark, check out Suicide Girls and their legal attacks of any photographer or model who strays.
                      HAL on TEDx:

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                      • Far-L
                        Confirmed User
                        • Feb 2002
                        • 6065

                        #61
                        just for the record and not to take a side here either way...

                        We have had to defend ourselves in similar circumstances several times over the last few years. We have always won. I have not looked at the Kick Ass trademarks but I am surprised that they did not prevail.

                        I agree with Kenny that Mark should probably be looking for a better attorney for these type of issues... but not because I don't think they had an argument for tm protection. On the contrary, I am surprised that Kick Ass Pictures did not prevail here.
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                        • crockett
                          in a van by the river
                          • May 2003
                          • 76818

                          #62
                          Originally posted by Mark Kickass
                          In my eyes, this has been a win-win situation, because I have a record of defending my trademark, and Kenny got to keep the sites. Yes I could have purchased the domains, but the asking price was about 10 times what it cost me to file with ICANN, and as I said before, I never had a desire to own those domains.

                          Mark Kulkis
                          President, Kick Ass Pictures
                          So in other words a guy that likes to "do the right thing" and is a stand up guy, felt because it was much cheaper to try and steal the domain than buy it. So instead of doing the right thing and buying the domain at a fair market price you decided it was cheaper to try and steal someone else's hard work and livelihood.

                          I have no stakes at all in this nor do I know either party involved but I can't stand when companies or people try to pull this kind of shit.

                          So I wonder have you filled suite against all these people? http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...J:en&q=kickass
                          Last edited by crockett; 02-22-2007, 05:57 PM.
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                          • Blazing
                            Confirmed User
                            • Nov 2001
                            • 1665

                            #63
                            I had the pleasure of meeting both Mark and Vic from Kick Ass 2 weeks ago at the Xbiz show, and these guys are straight up people!!

                            Im glad to see this thing turn out ok for both sides..

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                            • Audrey
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                              • Nov 2004
                              • 343

                              #64
                              congrats!

                              :D

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                              • SiMpLe
                                Confirmed User
                                • Feb 2002
                                • 3221

                                #65
                                Originally posted by Mark Kickass
                                I thank Kenny for bringing me out of my shell and getting me to finally register on GFY and JBM. It pains me to read all these negative comments, because anyone who knows me or my company knows that I?m a good guy who goes out of my way to do the right thing. Here?s a brief history of what happened from my side.

                                I already knew AJ, who originally owned the two kickass domain names in question and continued to run them. Apparently at some point he turned ownership of them over to Kenny in Canada because of 2257 considerations. I didn?t want to own sites, but my attorney said that if I knowingly allowed a ?Kick Ass? site to operate, it could harm my federal trademark. (As anyone who owns a trademark knows, you have to defend that trademark against infringement or it becomes worthless.)

                                So I entered into negotiations with AJ, trying to cut a deal in which he still ran the sites and made as much money as always, but they at least promoted some Kick Ass products. The deal never materialized, due to 2257 legal considerations that I won?t bore anyone with. At the end of those months, AJ and I shook hands as friends. I told him that it was nothing personal, but my attorney had advised me that I had to defend my trademark, so I was obligated to bring the matter to ICANN.

                                In my eyes, this has been a win-win situation, because I have a record of defending my trademark, and Kenny got to keep the sites. Yes I could have purchased the domains, but the asking price was about 10 times what it cost me to file with ICANN, and as I said before, I never had a desire to own those domains.

                                For the record, I have only resorted to ICANN once before, to get the domain name barefootconfidential.com. In that case, I believe the name was registered in bad faith because my trademarked Barefoot Confidential video series had been around for years and had won numerous AVN Awards, and someone else was profiting from that. (And let?s face it, Barefoot Confidential is not a ?generic? term like kick ass, which is why I won that case and lost this one.)

                                Anyway, I felt I had to explain my side of the story. I?m going to be at the Phoenix Forum next month, and I invite anyone who still thinks I?m a big, bad, litigious ogre to say hi and decide for yourself. And Kenny, if I see you there, I?ll buy you a drink to show there are no hard feelings.

                                Mark Kulkis
                                President, Kick Ass Pictures
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                                • AJHall
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                                  • Nov 2002
                                  • 1306

                                  #66
                                  Nice post Mark.
                                  That's more or less the chain of events.

                                  Not sure it's a win-win just yet, Vic still owes me . . . He said I have "a coupon for pepto and drinks from Kick Ass."
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                                  • Far-L
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Feb 2002
                                    • 6065

                                    #67
                                    Originally posted by crockett
                                    So in other words a guy that likes to "do the right thing" and is a stand up guy, felt because it was much cheaper to try and steal the domain than buy it. So instead of doing the right thing and buying the domain at a fair market price you decided it was cheaper to try and steal someone else's hard work and livelihood.

                                    I have no stakes at all in this nor do I know either party involved but I can't stand when companies or people try to pull this kind of shit.

                                    So I wonder have you filled suite against all these people? http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...J:en&q=kickass


                                    why are you trying to turn this into something that it is not? There is no "stealing" going on here. Read the thread and you would realize neither side is "right" or "wrong"... this is just biz and the only thing that can be judged is whether each side of the equation handled the situation with professionalism - which is entirely apparent that they did.

                                    See it from both sides. Do you have any idea how much Kick Ass Pictures spent developing their tradename and marks? And do you know what an obligation protecting those can be?
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                                    • nba4life2k
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                                      • Aug 2006
                                      • 308

                                      #68
                                      kickasspornstars is HAWT

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