1st fatality on "To Catch a Predator"

http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=B5...s&fg=&GT1=9033

Actually, everything I referred to was after they have been arrested. The confession comes before and after the reading of the rights. Them admitting to Chris is legal, but the confession also comes after the rights are read and they are still in a panic. It isn't illegal or anything as of now, but it is still abusive.

Sounds pretty fair (and as you stated, legal) to me.

How long has COPS been on TV? I didn't see everyone coming here whining about that show over the past, what, 10 years?

gotta throw my 2 cents in here.. I havent watched all of these , but early on they went over a bit of detail on how they actually catch these people.. chat names etc. In many of these cases it seemed plausible the suspects didnt know they were talking to children ( and werent ) the child model was an adult posing as a child. I want to get these creepo's off the street as much as the next guy , but im not sure if this is the right way.. It makes for great drama t.v. but i dont think it fights the root problem 1 iota

in one of the cases in particular they had the chat transcript and it was in an OPEN chatroom not in private. the suspect and fake child chatted for many many lines yet the fake child only mentions she is 14 once.. so if the guy went out of the room for 5 seconds when she said she was 14 , for all we know he thnks she is 21.

Im not trying to say all the cases were like this , some its obvious they are actively looking for children , some not so obvious.

Perhaps they will have a follow up show to let everyone know which ones were found innocent. Or maybe none HAVE been found innocent? Surely we would have heard of someone who was wrongly accused, videotaped and broadcast.

What makes you so sure?

Hey, I'm all for justice being served, be it finding them innocent or finding them guilty. But I know if *I* was wrongly on TV for being a sexual predator, i.e. I was found innocent, I'd certainly let the press know.

heh they never find people innocent , everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

But i understand what your getting at. problem is not everyone has been to chatroom especially jurors. Try explaining to a jury that you left the room for 5 seconds when she mentioned her age .. hard to prove.. try explaining some chat spammer flooded the room at the exact same time she once and only once mentioned her age..

The ones I've seenthe guys are saying "I knew I was doing something wrong", "I've seen this on TV, I don't know why I fell for it", "I've never done this before". I've not seen one where they said "I thought she was 21! I left the room for 5 minutes - that's must have been when she said she was 13". Nope, they all seem quite willing to admit they're guilty.

like i said , not all of them are this way... sometimes the suspects dont say anything.. many times they are obviously guilty , but you dont tar and feather everyone using the same brush

I far prefer castrations on the spot

btw the first video i checked the guy says he thought she was 19 , she only mentioned she was 13 twice in a fast public chatroom.. the decoy was over 30

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3KvQL7J148I

edit you must not watch very often .. i just watched several more , they all had pretty much the same story. now of course i'm not so foolish at to believe all of them , but it makes you wonder.

minimum age in Iceland is 14, porn is still illegal...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HWUJp8ZOt...elated&search=


Fuck, the jewish guy



WOW



Listen to the perv laugh at the beginning

I've only seen the show once and I didn't see this episode. I don't know if I agree with the show or not as the whole thing just grosses me out. But, I am glad these people are getting caught. But, I would have preferred a trial for the guy. Do we really know it was him on the computer? Did they compare his voice to the one in the phone call? The clip I saw never said so.

Now as for the computer being locked up with all the encryption stuff. He works for the DA's office. I know a few DDA's and every single one of them brings their work home and every single one of them has intense security features set up on their PC's so should it ever be stolen, the case files, victim addy's and so on can not be recovered. So, to me it was totally misleading for them to say that his PC was very protected, leaving us to conclude it was because he had CP on it.

On a side note, I have no issues with pedo's shooting themselves in the head. But, as for me, I won't jump for joy over it ever unless those shooting themselves actually did it.

You know, the only logical thing here, the reason why there is such a huge problem with this, is there must be a large number of very young people on the internet hooking up. Why would they be able to find so many men if they aren't successful with some young girls? It's like, you don't find a ton of woodbugs unless they're eating wood, ya know?


This is why I think a big problem is the parents of the minors.

However, they have had a fantasy about it. Doesn't that make him a pedo?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcjNr...elated&search=


Ok at the end, 21 year old goes to hook up with a 14 year old. They call him a pedo.


Wait a sec, 21 and 14 year old? in a shitty neighborhood that's not much of a difference. That's what I remember the bad 14 year olds doing in my school, hell, in fact, I knew a few dozen broads like that in my grade 8-9 classes.

that is nuts.. have you ever seen "48 hours' its a tv show about 48 hours with a homicide detective. Almost every episode one of the people fess's up to murder / life in prison when if they had just kept quiet they would have been innocent.. even the detectives said if he doesnt talk were gonna have to let him go because they had no evidence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWlNq...elated&search=



Listen to what the DA says, but the news people COMPLETELY ignore his very last word before they cut him off.

You are 10000% wrong.

These conversations DO NOT take place in the public chatroom. The conversations take place in private one on one chats. Period. They make it VERY clear in the PRIVATE one on one chats the age, VERY CLEAR.

What all of you are missing is this....how many times have you heard these guys say "I swear, I have never done this before, this is my first time." Almost all of them say it and almost all of them are full of shit. What does that tell you? It tells me that there are CHILDREN out there that these scum have already victimized.

Blame the parents all you want, blame the real kids all you want if it makes you feel better. The problem is with these predators. They should be outed. There is nothing illegal or unconstitutional about what Dateline is doing and I wish they would do more of it. Without the "outing", the teachers, the ministers, the rabbis, the prosecutors would get arrested, post bond, and be back at work the next day watching over YOUR children. What Dateline does, in addition to deterring other scum, is insure that the scum they catch won't be going back to their positions of authority with children.

More power to Dateline and PJ.

They were 100% certain it was him. Remember, he talked to the decoy on the phone for some time. It was him. It was his phone number. It was his phone.

And, BTW, there were 3 computers. Did he use all of them for work?

Man..are you really this dense? Yes, the problem also lies with the parents. Yes, parents should monitor the internet activities of children. Computers should be in open spaces in the house and the children should be watched, closely.

However, there are lots of parents who shouldn't be parents and will never get the message. There are lots of parents that use computers and the internet as a babysitter, just like they used to with TV's. That is why programs and stings like this are soooooooooo necessary. You cannot rely on parents to protect their children from these threats.

They are really turning up the heat on predators, good to see.

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Jeff
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(just thought a little love needed to be spread ;) )

Right on the money Brad !

hmm screencaps show several people in the private chat..

Like i said i have no sympathy for true sicko's but explain me this.. some horny guy gets on chat , gets in with some girl who hasnt identified her age. at some point he goes to get a glass of milk , she mentions her age but its gets pushed down the chat screen.

Now she wants to hookup , he goes , shows up on dateline nbc. now everyone thinks he is a pedo because he went to the fridge for a glass of milk.. is this fair ? do you think anyone is going to believe you.

umm i never blamed either of them..
Shouldnt the police be doing this ? couldnt they do it the same way but we would have the complete story not half of it

JMM is dead nuts on point with those last three posts of his.

End of debate as far as I'm concerned.

p.s. i just looked at the transcripts from perverted justice and i was wrong when i said above that these were in public chatrooms, it appears from the transcripts that they are in private rooms , that pretty well rules out my "confusion of age" point , but theres still lots of wiggle room , sometimes the age is only mentioned once and the "dupe" often mentions the chat software crashing losing messages

I love hearing stories about pedo's dying, but personally I would rather hear about them dying from having a chainsaw shoved up their ass

Wow you just proved you are an idiot. That is a real good response. You must have a very low IQ if you have to resort to that.

Yes there have been many that lied about their ages and some have pretended to be teens. I remember one guy told the girl he was 17 but he was really 24 or 25. I can't remember what city it was in since they have so many shows on this. I am not saying that kids are not out there flirting and hitting on older men online, but the men are grown adults and they know better. If a 14 year old hit on me online I would not go to their house with sex toys and expect to have sex with them. I would tell them I am to old for them and leave the chat room. That is what responsible people and not sicko's do. It is wrong to blame kids who are dumb and it is also up to the parents to monitor their kids.

No, fucking little boys and girls makes someone a pedo, fantasizing about it just makes them sick in the head.

It is called The First 48 and is on A&E. I watch it each week. In most of those cases they have enough evidence to charge the people, they want a confession to make the case more strong. Most of them confess because they know they did it and they know there is evidence or witnesses that will prove them quilty in court. They hardly ever say on there that if they do not confess they will have to let them go.

So the decoy new him personally? Is that how they knew it was him? God I am gonna stop letting my friends use my phone, hell one of them even sounds like me, how fucked would that be if he was calling little boys on my phone. That's it, no one is allowed to use my phone but me.

Oh and I have two computers here, soon to be three. I use them all for business and personal, I better only keep one computer, and I might as well get rid of any security I have on it. I originally thought it was good idea to keep my pc's secure as when I get my kids for the weekend I don't want them viewing all my content. But, if having more than one computer or having it very secure makes me a pedo, well damn it all to hell. I am getting rid of all securtiy features and extra PC's now.

Great..another one.

Yes, they KNEW it was him. His internet account. His house. His phone. If it was a friend using his computer and his phone from his house, perhaps the prosecutor should have opened the door when the police knocked. Perhaps the prosecutor should have said, "hey, my friend Jon has been using my internet account at my house and my phone to pick up little kids" when the police made entry. Instead, the prosecutor told the police he wasn't going to hurt them and proceeded to put a bullet in his brain while the police were entering.

As for security on the computers...this was security beyond anything the experts at the computer crime lab were able to crack. They had to send it to the manufacturer. I don't care if the hard drives were blank, the guy was soliciting little boys on the internet for sex. He didn't deserve to die, but he did deserve a long and harsh punishment. The death penalty was his choice.

hmm we must be watching a diff feed last weeks episod those were his exact words im not saying every guy , just that it happens alot.

Of course. Don't you know that this generations babysitter is the internet, just as television has been the babysitter of the past?

Shhhh cock garage

fact is you could run the sting 24/7 for 50 years and never run out of guys who come to the house. would these same guys come if the girl was say 9 or 10? i very much doubt it, at least not most of them. are they preying on the naivity of young girls? for sure, but society sexualizes girls at a young age and for whatever reason tens of thousands of guys like the idea of a willing young girl.

send this story to penthouse

I don't doubt it was him that made the calls. What I have issue with was all the conclusions people are drawing with almost no facts. And, the security went beyond what the "experts" at their little crime lab could deal with? I'm sure that little hick town had real CSI team trained in computer crime. I'd be willing to bet their experts were some geeks from the local best buy.

And why didn't he say it was a friend? Maybe he's not a snitch, maybe it was someone he cared about and was lost in a moment of confusion? Maybe, when he said, "I wasn't going to hurt them..." he was talking about the mass of cops that just raided his home and saw him waving his gun around. Why did he kill himself? We'll never know. Maybe he didn't want to deal with the bullshit. Once you get accused of something like that publicly, you're not coming back from it. His career was over no matter what. And, he could have thought there was just no recovering from it. Depression can make people do stupid things. Most people who kill themselves do it out of depression, not because they committed some crime they can't live with. I've known two people that killed themselves and both of them were fucking morons. They really had nothing to complain about all. Nice homes, nice families, good friends, nice jobs but in both cases they just got this idea in their heads that the problems they thought they had were just too great to overcome.

My point is, we don't know what happened. At least not yet. We only know what it looks like based on nothing more than a phone call and some emails. All of which, for all we really know could have been faked. Now realistically, it's a stretch, I won't deny it. But, seriously, I've been accused of shit I didn't do. Nothing like that of course but it ain't no fun and no matter what kinda proof I had that should have cleared my name to those involved, it didn't matter. In their shallow little eyes I was guilty, end of story. Everything was explained and backed up by fact. But, at the time, I sure did like guilty though. Everyone sounded like you, "Oh he did it, why did he do this and that, why didn't he just try and explain himself then and so on." Sometimes you can't for whatever reasons and it makes ya look guilty as hell. So, as for me, when it comes to proclaiming someone's guilt, it's gonna take a lot for me to believe anything, especially the DA's office and from the cops. They fuck up all the time. And, the only reason it doesn't come out more is because the poor fools getting charged with shit ain't got the money to properly defend themselves.

But, in the long run, I don?t really care. Like you, I think he did it. I think he?s totally guilty based on what I?ve heard. I just think it?s amazingly funny how fast people are to believe every little thing they?re told. I mean there is some doubt in my mind at this point but for the most part, I feel he?s totally guilty and the bullet to his head saved the tax payers a lot of money. However, I can?t help but wonder about a society that is so easily willing to hang the man out to dry with out any hard facts. And, a fact isn?t the kid on the phone who says, ?Yep that was the DA talking.? A fact would be a voice comparison by professionals. Now what he said before he killed himself is a fact as long as enough people confirm what he said. But, does it mean he was talking about the kids? Hell, for all we know he just got home and lost his temper on the road and flashed his gun at some asshole and his friends in a car that just cut him off. In the DA?s mind he?s thinking the cops showed up to arrest to him for that and he said, ?I wasn?t going to hurt them?. We don?t know for sure what was going through his mind at the time. The only thing we truly know that went through his mind was the bullet a few seconds later.


Any ways, I gotta get back to my site updates on my highly secured computers. It's been fun and I'll try to stop in later to see if ya responded. It's been fun. Thanks for the discussion.

Almost 200 pedos

Actually they are scumbags but not pedos according the text book definition:

The APA's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders 4th edition,


* Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger).
* The person has acted on these urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty.
* The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A.

Do not include an individual in late adolescence involved in an ongoing sexual relationship with a 12 or 13-year-old.

Sexual predator laws are different in all states and countries. You can easily be found guilty for being a sexual predator if you're 18 and you're screwing a 15 year old in many states.

What does that have to with the textbook definition of pedo ?Did I say anything about law? lol

These people are being ARRESTED, they aren't being committed to psychiatric institutions. So yes, it's about the law.

Seriously, what's behind you constantly looking for ways to make these guys look better than the total scum of the earth that they are??

I think Tony is just pointing out the distinction between what constutes a "pedo" and what constitutes a "sexual predator" who goes after young teens. People do tend to lump every guy like this into the pedo category, but a guy going after a 13-17 yr old by definition isn't a pedophile.

I don't think it's about making any of them out to be any better than they are, it's about keeping things straight and correct in people's minds. And frankly it's hard to imagine anyone, at least any normal-thinking person out there who isn't elated at the fact that these guys are being nabbed and publicly shamed and in some cases put behind bars. Should be all cases, but it looks like several states are bringing in harshers laws soon. (maybe partially due to the efforts of the show)

This thread must have been made before rule #7.