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09-01-2005, 07:50 AM

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Per capita? That's all that counts. I'd like to see the chart you got the 99% from. I'm curious now.

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USA firearms murders: 8259
Canada fa murders: 165

doesn't include accidents ....

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09-01-2005, 07:51 AM

Originally posted by kenny

lol @

It's the guns laws fault people are using them in a illegal manner..

If I decide to beat my neighbor with a baseball bat should we blame Major League Baseball.

if you decide to make another strawman should we blame crows?

The point is merely that the abundance of guns isn't helping the situation.. you really can't argue that because it's EXACTLY the same situation pro gunners use to justify having guns - ie Hitler, Stalin didn't let their populations have guns etc etc we need guns to protect us from the government should it ever turn on us blah blah.

It's not saying liberal gun laws is making people shoot at ambulances, just having plenty of guns and ammo freely available, especially giving rise to the need for guns and ammo stores which are now being looted isn't helping in a situation like this.. It would still exist even without liberal gun laws, it's just worse thats all.. A simple factual point.
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09-01-2005, 07:52 AM

Originally posted by directfiesta

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_cap

USA firearms murders: 8259
Canada fa murders: 165

doesn't include accidents ....

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USA has alot more crime PERIOD. Be it with guns or not.

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09-01-2005, 07:54 AM

Originally posted by Anthony

So if it's not a civilized country it doesn't count? I've seen more guns in Canada owned "illegally" than I have in the U.S. Is Canada a civilized country to you?

Whether it's civilized or not, those shooting at helicopters are, without a doubt, have illegal firearms. There has been a growing movement in the United States to give citizens legal permits to own and carry firearms, to protect themselves, family, and property. I'll bet you whatever money you want, that those who have them legally, are not firing at helicopters.

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In Holland people wouldnt shoot at helicopters period. Think of the reason yourself.
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09-01-2005, 07:54 AM

Originally posted by kenny

USA has alot more crime PERIOD. Be it with guns or not.

Canda 30 million
USA 265 million

Of course USA is going to have more crime.
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09-01-2005, 07:55 AM

Originally posted by bhutocracy

if you decide to make another strawman should we blame crows?

The point is merely that the abundance of guns isn't helping the situation.. you really can't argue that because it's EXACTLY the same situation pro gunners use to justify having guns - ie Hitler, Stalin didn't let their populations have guns etc etc we need guns to protect us from the government should it ever turn on us blah blah.

It's not saying liberal gun laws is making people shoot at ambulances, just having plenty of guns and ammo freely available, especially giving rise to the need for guns and ammo stores which are now being looted isn't helping in a situation like this.. It would still exist even without liberal gun laws, it's just worse thats all.. A simple factual point.

This idiots firing at helicopters will get whats coming to them. It's sad that they act like this a situation such as this.

However, If I want to buy a gun and I have a proper license and a clean record I should be able to have a gun.

We can't help it that a bunch of people decided to loot some gun store or police station.

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09-01-2005, 07:56 AM

All the people with families waiting to get on a bus and get away from all that bullshit are paying the price because of a few ignorant fools. Like I said before..
runaway train, end of the tracks, just enjoy whats left of the ride.

Imagine how worthless life will become as the days go by. I suspect their will probably be reports of cannibalism in the weeks to come.
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09-01-2005, 07:57 AM

Originally posted by Anthony

Canda 30 million
USA 265 million

Of course USA is going to have more crime.

since when " per capita " has a merit value ??? I read in another " foreigner" bashing thread that morons calculate that way ... ( ask AlienQ and his friends ... )

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09-01-2005, 07:58 AM

Originally posted by kenny

This idiots firing at helicopters will get whats coming to them. It's sad that they act like this a situation such as this.

However, If I want to buy a gun and I have a proper license and a clean record I should be able to have a gun.

We can't help it that a bunch of people decided to loot some gun store or police station.

It doesnt really help that theres a gun store on every corner does it.
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09-01-2005, 07:59 AM

Originally posted by Anthony

Canda 30 million
USA 265 million

Of course USA is going to have more crime.

Hahaha man. I think were talking per 1000 people or whatever %. Doesnt matter how big a country is
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09-01-2005, 07:59 AM

Originally posted by directfiesta

since when " per capita " has a merit value ??? I read in another " foreigner" bashing thread that morons calculate that way ... ( ask AlienQ and his friends ... )

Did you just call me a moron?
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09-01-2005, 08:01 AM

Originally posted by kenny

This idiots firing at helicopters will get whats coming to them. It's sad that they act like this a situation such as this.

However, If I want to buy a gun and I have a proper license and a clean record I should be able to have a gun.

We cab't help it that a bunch of people decided to loot some gun store or police station.

I fucking hope they do.. seriously.. shooting at helicopters and potentially killing people they were meant to save should be instant 20 years in jail.

yeah I've never argued against law abiding americans being able to own guns.

Of course it can't be helped.. it's just one of those unintended consequences things.
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09-01-2005, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by Anthony

Did you just call me a moron?

no, alienq and amateurflix have spent all day saying per capita statistics aren't relevant and moron foreigners use them as statistical trickery to make america look bad..
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09-01-2005, 08:04 AM

Originally posted by Franck

Yadiya.
In Holland people wouldnt shoot at helicopters period. Think of the reason yourself.

Maybe, maybe not. They might not shoot helicopters, but human nature as it is, there will be an idiot, or idiots who do something extremely stupid, with or without guns.
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09-01-2005, 08:04 AM

Originally posted by Anthony

Did you just call me a moron?

If you would have posted that in this thread:

( USA is more generous than any other country )
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AlienQ, AmateurFlix and so on would have called you a " fucking foreign hater idiotic moron " ....

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09-01-2005, 08:05 AM

Originally posted by Franck

It doesnt really help that theres a gun store on every corner does it.

I don't care if every other building is a gun store. I'm not going to blame the law for people stealing guns and then firing them at rescue workers (Why are they doing this exactly?!)

I'm not going to blame the law for people making crystal meth or explosives from household chemicals either.

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09-01-2005, 08:05 AM

Originally posted by bhutocracy

no, alienq and amateurflix have spent all day saying per capita statistics aren't relevant and moron foreigners use them as statistical trickery to make america look bad..

Thanks mate. Appreciate it.
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09-01-2005, 08:05 AM

Originally posted by Anthony

Maybe, maybe not. They might not shoot helicopters, but human nature as it is, there will be an idiot, or idiots who do something extremely stupid, with or without guns.

Yup, Holland has its idiots. So yeah, people might throw rocks or whatever. But basically anything is better than shooting.
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09-01-2005, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by bhutocracy

no, alienq and amateurflix have spent all day saying per capita statistics aren't relevant and moron foreigners use them as statistical trickery to make america look bad..

I knew that bait would get me something ....

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09-01-2005, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by kenny

I don't care if every other building is a gun store. I'm not going to blame the law for people stealing guns and then firing them at rescue workers (Why are they doing this exactly?!)

I'm not going to blame the law for people making crystal meth or explosives from household chemicals either.

But, again, in Holland people wouldnt be shooting at helicopters.
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09-01-2005, 08:07 AM

Originally posted by directfiesta

If you would have posted that in this thread:

( USA is more generous than any other country )
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...4&page=1&pp=50

AlienQ, AmateurFlix and so on would have called you a " fucking foreign hater idiotic moron " ....

Ahhh, I understand. I guess I'm a fucking foreign hater idiotic moron who is a Desert Storm Vet.
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09-01-2005, 08:08 AM

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Rescue workers shouldnt have to be worried about being shot at while trying to rescue people ON american soil. It's one thing to assume the risks of a rescue worker, maybe you line gets hung up, a worker gets swept away from the current of the water but to try and save the people who are firing shots ar you? Fuck that. Let them die.

This isnt IRAQ it's the USA

Hmmm... your tactic sounds more like the way IRAQ would take care of a problem like this.

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09-01-2005, 08:09 AM

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09-01-2005, 08:10 AM

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Ahhh, I understand. I guess I'm a fucking foreign hater idiotic moron who is a Desert Storm Vet.

you see where the use of per capita statistics leads? it's like a gateway statistic to all sorts of animalistic behaviour
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09-01-2005, 08:12 AM

While we're outlawing guns, lets outlaw, drinking, cars, knives, hands, feet etc. It is not the gun that kills people, its the person behind it it. Just like with a car, a knife and some can kill with their hands. We cannot go outlawing shit, we need to hold the fucking assholes that kill someone accountable.

That's it I am suing McDonalds for my death because I had 1 too many big macs. Just stupid.

These idiots shooting at rescue workers are just dumbasses. When it comes their time to be rescued most of the time they are crying like little bitches. It's just too bad the flood didn't take them out instead of the poor innocent little 85 year old lady with COPD who couldn't walk.

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09-01-2005, 08:13 AM

Originally posted by Franck

But, again, in Holland people wouldnt be shooting at helicopters.

Unitied States is bigger and more diverse then Holland.

The US has a small percentage of people that account for a large percentage of the crime.

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09-01-2005, 08:15 AM

This is getting out of hand what next?

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09-01-2005, 08:15 AM

Originally posted by AcidMax

While we're outlawing guns, lets outlaw, drinking, cars, knives, hands, feet etc. It is not the gun that kills people, its the person behind it it. Just like with a car, a knife and some can kill with their hands. We cannot go outlawing shit, we need to hold the fucking assholes that kill someone accountable.

So legalize crack, heroin, tanks and so on ... They have nothing to do with crime.. it's the people behind it ....

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09-01-2005, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by AcidMax

While we're outlawing guns, lets outlaw, drinking, cars, knives, hands, feet etc. It is not the gun that kills people, its the person behind it it. Just like with a car, a knife and some can kill with their hands. We cannot go outlawing shit, we need to hold the fucking assholes that kill someone accountable.

Out of all those things guns are made for killing....and they do a great job.
Its guns that kill, not the person behind it. Without guns there would be way less murders and accidents with firearms.
You cant outlaw cars, knives etc, we need them. Guns we dont need. Cept the police and army.
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09-01-2005, 08:19 AM

Originally posted by polle54

Hmmm... your tactic sounds more like the way IRAQ would take care of a problem like this.

i agree, and would like to add if we attempted to let them all die or kill them, people would start rioting, revolting, etc. in other places, too. Our government can't be inhumane or else it's credibility would be shot to hell.

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09-01-2005, 08:20 AM

Guns are like any other tool. In responsible hands, they do what they are made for.
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09-01-2005, 08:21 AM

If you banned guns in the US right now the only people that would have them are the people that aren't suppose to have them.

Do you think coke dealers in countries with outlawed guns are not packing a gun?

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09-01-2005, 08:23 AM

Originally posted by Anthony

Guns are like any other tool. In responsible hands, they do what they are made for.

Exactly.

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09-01-2005, 08:23 AM

Originally posted by Franck

Out of all those things guns are made for killing....and they do a great job.
Its guns that kill, not the person behind it. Without guns there would be way less murders and accidents with firearms.
You cant outlaw cars, knives etc, we need them. Guns we dont need. Cept the police and army.

I disagree, the gun didn't wake up one morning and say .... "I think I am gonna do a driveby today!"

It's time PEOPLE became responsible for their own actions. Why would we need knives? We can eat with our hands, we don't need knives, outlaw them too. Who says we don't need guns? We need them to reduce animal populations in this country that if we didn't thin, we would have an outrageous number of automobile fatalities from deer/car collisions for example.

The gun is just the means the person used to kill another person. Just as a knife, shank, automobile, baseball bat, foot/hand, etc. Too many people want to blame someone else for their fuckups. It's the governments fault I have 12 kids and am on welfare, but cannot find a job, because I am too lazy. The man is keeping me down. BULLSHIT. People need to set their own path, that includes people who kill others, but they also need to realize that if they do the crime, they do the time, which we let them get away with no doing in this country quite often.

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09-01-2005, 08:24 AM

Originally posted by AcidMax

While we're outlawing guns, lets outlaw, drinking, cars, knives, hands, feet etc. It is not the gun that kills people, its the person behind it it. Just like with a car, a knife and some can kill with their hands. We cannot go outlawing shit, we need to hold the fucking assholes that kill someone accountable.

stupid ass, we do hold the assholes accountable.
legalizing everything will NOT stop the assholes from being assholes.
infact, it would make it easier for the assholes to be assholes.
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09-01-2005, 08:24 AM

Originally posted by AcidMax

I disagree, the gun didn't wake up one morning and say .... "I think I am gonna do a driveby today!"

It's time PEOPLE became responsible for their own actions. Why would we need knives? We can eat with our hands, we don't need knives, outlaw them too. Who says we don't need guns? We need them to reduce animal populations in this country that if we didn't thin, we would have an outrageous number of automobile fatalities from deer/car collisions for example.

The gun is just the means the person used to kill another person. Just as a knife, shank, automobile, baseball bat, foot/hand, etc. Too many people want to blame someone else for their fuckups. It's the governments fault I have 12 kids and am on welfare, but cannot find a job, because I am too lazy. The man is keeping me down. BULLSHIT. People need to set their own path, that includes people who kill others, but they also need to realize that if they do the crime, they do the time, which we let them get away with no doing in this country quite often.

So lets sum it up. WIHTOUT guns there would be less murder and deadly accidents.

Yes or no?
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09-01-2005, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by directfiesta

So legalize crack, heroin, tanks and so on ... They have nothing to do with crime.. it's the people behind it ....

You just proved how stupid banning guns would be. The people who use crack, heroin etc., know its illegal, yet they don't care. Do you think banning guns would be any different? NOPE! It would be those of us who didn't bare arms that would sacrifice when some crack addicted asshole with a gun broke into your house and killed your wife and kids, so he could have $20 to buy a rock. Sorry but that fucker is going out in a body bag.

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09-01-2005, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by kenny

If you banned guns in the US right now the only people that would have them are the people that aren't suppose to have them.

Do you think coke dealers in countries with outlawed guns are not packing a gun?

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09-01-2005, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by Franck

So lets sum it up. WIHTOUT guns there would be less murder and deadly accidents.

Yes or no?

Yes but at the same time I don't need the government taking my guns like a parent taking scissors from a child.

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09-01-2005, 08:27 AM

Originally posted by Franck

So lets sum it up. WIHTOUT guns there would be less murder and deadly accidents.

Yes or no?

No they would find other ways to kill people. If you want someone dead, and have the mentality that you are going to kill them, you will find a way. Wether its a knife, beating the shit out of them, etc. It's the mentality of the people not the weapon or means they use to get the job done.

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09-01-2005, 08:29 AM

Don't the Canadians have more liberal gun laws than we do? They don't have the same problems too do they?

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09-01-2005, 08:29 AM

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stupid ass, we do hold the assholes accountable.
legalizing everything will NOT stop the assholes from being assholes.
infact, it would make it easier for the assholes to be assholes.
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Nice intelligent post there. Refrain from the namecalling, I didn't call you any names, nor did I say that legalizing everything was the right thing to do. My point was against banning firearms. If you would slow down and read everything I posted you would understand that. Nowhere did I say that we should legalize everything. And please tell me how we hold people truly accountable? How many child molesters are still roaming free? How many murderers get out due to overcrowding? I don't think we hold them accountable the way they should be held accountable.

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09-01-2005, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by kenny

If you banned guns in the US right now the only people that would have them are the people that aren't suppose to have them.

Do you think coke dealers in countries with outlawed guns are not packing a gun?

Youre so right and there you have the big problem. Its obvious its now too late to outlaw them because everybody and his brother has a gun and nobody is gonna return it when theyre illegal.

But think for a moment. In Holland 9 out of 10 gun owners are criminals. Besides a bunch that rob stores the biggest part only shoot at other criminals. The change of being a normal citizen and getting a gun pointed at you ever in your life is almost non existant. Why? Because guns were never legal here and its simply only a handful of people who have them and those people arent usually people you talk to or hang with or come in conflict with.

So yes, its too late to outlaw guns in the US now but it was a very stupid move to allow them in the first place.
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09-01-2005, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by AcidMax

No they would find other ways to kill people. If you want someone dead, and have the mentality that you are going to kill them, you will find a way. Wether its a knife, beating the shit out of them, etc. It's the mentality of the people not the weapon or means they use to get the job done.

Wrong answer. Guns cause way more deads than there would be without guns.
And im not even talking about the 1000's of (lethal) accidents with guns a year.
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09-01-2005, 08:32 AM

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i meant that for a diff thread, sorry

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09-01-2005, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by Franck

Youre so right and there you have the big problem. Its obvious its now too late to outlaw them because everybody and his brother has a gun and nobody is gonna return it when theyre illegal.

But think for a moment. In Holland 9 out of 10 gun owners are criminals. Besides a bunch that rob stores the biggest part only shoot at other criminals. The change of being a normal citizen and getting a gun pointed at you ever in your life is almost non existant. Why? Because guns were never legal here and its simply only a handful of people who have them and those people arent usually people you talk to or hang with or come in conflict with.

So yes, its too late to outlaw guns in the US now but it was a very stupid move to allow them in the first place.

Our forefathers gave us that right so that in the event we needed to overthrow our government we could in order to set our country back on track.

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09-01-2005, 08:32 AM

Lets talk about those actually.

Acidmax:

In the US more people die or get wounded than in Holland because of accidents with firearms. Yes or no?
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09-01-2005, 08:33 AM

Has it ever been established why those people are shooting at the rescue helicopters?!

Thats the whole reason why I clicked this thread. I wanted to know more about that.

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09-01-2005, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by Anthony

Canda 30 million
USA 265 million

Of course USA is going to have more crime.

USA firearms murders: 8259
Canada fa murders: 165

Can =0.18 murders per million people
USA= 31.16 murders per million people

wow..i knew you guys were more violent but i didnt think it was that skewed.

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09-01-2005, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by AcidMax

Our forefathers gave us that right so that in the event we needed to overthrow our government we could in order to set our country back on track.

Yup and look at the gun shithole youre in now. You need a gun because your neighbour has a gun and might enter your property one day and you need to be able to defend yourself.
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