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  • jawanda
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    • Feb 2003
    • 6040
    #1

    My small, home-grown attempt at "p2pads" advertising ...

    I started playing with p2p advertising about 6 years ago, after good old Andy Dunn mentioned it in his (much-missed) SexSwap newsletter. But once Windows Media Player started blocking script-based popups I gave up.

    Well, now that drm is a readily available way to get traffic from p2p (and seeing all the ads for p2pads.com on here) I decided to give it another go.

    I got drm setup, wrote a couple of simple Visual Basic programs to combine word lists and rename / resize files, and for the last two days I've been sharing these 650 files on a few different networks via my cable modem.

    Here's the results so far for today:



    So, after two days, looks like it's bringing in about 100 uniques per day.

    Nothing to get too excited about, but at the same time, that's free traffic!

    If I had the money I would love to get setup with something like p2pads has going ... if my tiny effort can produce these kind of results, I imagine that their setup must be quite impressive indeed.

    I'll keep you guys updated as I add more files and get this running on my other computer as well.



    -Phil
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    • natas
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      • Mar 2002
      • 3377
      #2
      hey can you icq me please?

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        • Makingcoin
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          • Aug 2002
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          #3
          What a waste of time. Focus your time on other projects unless you are going to go big.

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            • jawanda
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              • Feb 2003
              • 6040
              #4
              Originally posted by Makingcoin
              What a waste of time. Focus your time on other projects unless you are going to go big.
              Nah, it's a fun little project. If I can get it up to bringin' in 1k uniques per day, slightly targeted, it'll be worth the few hours I spent on it

              -P

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                • Crypt
                  Confirmed User
                  • Apr 2004
                  • 2225
                  #5
                  Originally posted by jawanda
                  I started playing with p2p advertising about 6 years ago, after good old Andy Dunn mentioned it in his (much-missed) SexSwap newsletter. But once Windows Media Player started blocking script-based popups I gave up.

                  Well, now that drm is a readily available way to get traffic from p2p (and seeing all the ads for p2pads.com on here) I decided to give it another go.

                  I got drm setup, wrote a couple of simple Visual Basic programs to combine word lists and rename / resize files, and for the last two days I've been sharing these 650 files on a few different networks via my cable modem.

                  Here's the results so far for today:



                  So, after two days, looks like it's bringing in about 100 uniques per day.

                  Nothing to get too excited about, but at the same time, that's free traffic!

                  If I had the money I would love to get setup with something like p2pads has going ... if my tiny effort can produce these kind of results, I imagine that their setup must be quite impressive indeed.

                  I'll keep you guys updated as I add more files and get this running on my other computer as well.



                  -Phil

                  No shit Sherlock

                  Everyone know its work , but you need volume.
                  Hard part is to convert your traffic as well

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                    • Mr Dickovitch
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                      • Jul 2004
                      • 1070
                      #6
                      Why bother advertising to people who are too cheap to buy anything? Out of that shit traffic of 12 year olds and people from Pakistan without credit cards did you get a single sale?

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                        • xlogger
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                          • Jul 2004
                          • 9507
                          #7
                          Originally posted by jawanda
                          If I had the money I would love to get setup with something like p2pads has going ...
                          Why? No one is buying there shit.

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                            • jawanda
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                              • Feb 2003
                              • 6040
                              #8
                              Originally posted by xlogger
                              Why? No one is buying there shit.
                              Indeed, their price is a bit steep... but I see potential there.

                              -P

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                                • xlogger
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                                  • Jul 2004
                                  • 9507
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by jawanda
                                  Indeed, their price is a bit steep... but I see potential there.

                                  -P
                                  I see no potential there. No one in there right mind will buy that. But im glad you are doing it on you're own rather than going to some company.

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                                    • jawanda
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                                      • Feb 2003
                                      • 6040
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by xlogger
                                      I see no potential there. No one in there right mind will buy that. But im glad you are doing it on you're own rather than going to some company.
                                      Thanks man. I love these kind of side projects, makes me remember why i am in this business... not because of the porn, but because of the ability to put your skills to the test and make something out of nothing.



                                      Makes me miss the SexSwap newsletter soo much ... that's what it was all about. Sharing ideas, trying new things, putting heads together

                                      -Phil

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                                        • Ping Pong
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                                          • Aug 2005
                                          • 29
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by Makingcoin
                                          What a waste of time. Focus your time on other projects unless you are going to go big.
                                          Exactly.

                                          Sorry, don't be offended, but you're wasting your time and those stats are laughable.

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                                            • BobG
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                                              • Nov 2003
                                              • 4274
                                              #12
                                              Alot of people say the same thing about TGP. "Shit traffic...no money there." Some of us are fortunate enough to know that, that's bullshit. As far as P2P Ads and quality traffic and conversions go, the traffic has been tested and proven to convert. I've never known GTS to be anything other than honest and all they do is put out great services that make people money. I'm doubting that their new P2P service will be any different.

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                                                • BigBen
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                                                  • Nov 2004
                                                  • 2299
                                                  #13
                                                  You sharing just .wmv files?

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                                                    • jawanda
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                                                      • Feb 2003
                                                      • 6040
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by Ping Pong
                                                      Exactly.

                                                      Sorry, don't be offended, but you're wasting your time and those stats are laughable.

                                                      I'm not offended at all, I will readily admit that after two days I have not yet made a sale from this traffic lol and it IS a laughable amount of traffic. If I didn't have other projects to support me I would of course be fucked!

                                                      That's not the point though. I'm having fun.

                                                      This is an experiment.

                                                      -Phil

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                                                        • jawanda
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                                                          • Feb 2003
                                                          • 6040
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by BigBen
                                                          You sharing just .wmv files?

                                                          Yes. That's all I've been able to figure out so far. No idea how they get those quicktime files rocking the popups the way they do.

                                                          -P

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                                                            • Rui
                                                              web
                                                              • Dec 2001
                                                              • 9533
                                                              #16
                                                              if you TGP's traffic is bad, keep in mind p2p one is like 100x worse...

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                                                                • Dirty F
                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                  • 59204
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Can i ask you how big your wmv files are?

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                                                                    • Dirty F
                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                                      • 59204
                                                                      #18
                                                                      And 100 downloads a day will get you nowhere. You need at least 5 servers to get some decent traffic.

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                                                                        • jawanda
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                                                                          • Feb 2003
                                                                          • 6040
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by Franck
                                                                          Can i ask you how big your wmv files are?
                                                                          1.1 - 1.5 megs.

                                                                          -P

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                                                                            • pornguy
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                                                                              • Mar 2003
                                                                              • 62910
                                                                              #20
                                                                              I don't think it's a bad idea. Here in our office, after reading p2pads post, we are getting something setup to give it a try.
                                                                              So it looks like we are on the same track.
                                                                              We know that we won't make a lot of money, but heck, why not try?
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                                                                                • throwdown
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                                                                                  • Aug 2005
                                                                                  • 997
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  did you at least make any money from it yet?

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                                                                                    • High Quality
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                                                                                      • Feb 2002
                                                                                      • 5741
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by pornguy
                                                                                      I don't think it's a bad idea. Here in our office, after reading p2pads post, we are getting something setup to give it a try.
                                                                                      So it looks like we are on the same track.
                                                                                      We know that we won't make a lot of money, but heck, why not try?
                                                                                      We've done the same. We've been at it 2 months, seeing a nice return now

                                                                                      RecurCash.com - Averaging $38/sale with 60% revshare in the first 4 months alone!

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                                                                                        • Why
                                                                                          MFBA
                                                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                                                          • 7230
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          haha, market for p2p is getting saturated.

                                                                                          if it was worth the money they wouldt be selling it.

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                                                                                            • GTS Mark
                                                                                              Vrume Mark
                                                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                                                              • 20912
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by BobG
                                                                                              Alot of people say the same thing about TGP. "Shit traffic...no money there." Some of us are fortunate enough to know that, that's bullshit. As far as P2P Ads and quality traffic and conversions go, the traffic has been tested and proven to convert. I've never known GTS to be anything other than honest and all they do is put out great services that make people money. I'm doubting that their new P2P service will be any different.
                                                                                              BobG, thank you for your kind comments I appreciate it

                                                                                              DH

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                                                                                                • tony299
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                                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                                  • 57021
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Mr Dickovitch
                                                                                                  Why bother advertising to people who are too cheap to buy anything? Out of that shit traffic of 12 year olds and people from Pakistan without credit cards did you get a single sale?
                                                                                                  thank you i agree ,I dont want kids looking at my site.

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                                                                                                    • GTS Mark
                                                                                                      Vrume Mark
                                                                                                      • Jan 2001
                                                                                                      • 20912
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by xlogger
                                                                                                      Why? No one is buying there shit.
                                                                                                      Actually we have sold a ton of packages already, just trying to get everyone set up right now

                                                                                                      DH

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                                                                                                        • xlogger
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                                                                                                          • Jul 2004
                                                                                                          • 9507
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Im sure you do.

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                                                                                                            • GTS Mark
                                                                                                              Vrume Mark
                                                                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                                                                              • 20912
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by xlogger
                                                                                                              I see no potential there. No one in there right mind will buy that. But im glad you are doing it on you're own rather than going to some company.
                                                                                                              Xlogger, I'm sorry you feel so hateful and spiteful about the fact that we brought this product to market before you had the opportunity or means to.

                                                                                                              We have sold serveral packages already to some of the largest players in the game, and those of you who know me know I would not lie about that.

                                                                                                              DH

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                                                                                                                • jawanda
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                                                                                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                  • 6040
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by DrinkingMODerately
                                                                                                                  Actually we have sold a ton of packages already, just trying to get everyone set up right now

                                                                                                                  DH
                                                                                                                  That's great to hear DH, and I can't wait to hear some results from those campaigns as well. Although the price is pretty high, I do see the great potential in what you're doing and wish you the best with it. If nothing else, you obviously inspired me (and not for the first time)!

                                                                                                                  -P

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                                                                                                                    • xlogger
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                                                                                                                      • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                      • 9507
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      I would have never bought anything to any market. I am not a team player, i like to do things myself. So no fact in that.

                                                                                                                      Tell me who the big players are though. No one has yet to say they have bought anything.

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                                                                                                                        • GTS Mark
                                                                                                                          Vrume Mark
                                                                                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                          • 20912
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by jawanda
                                                                                                                          That's great to hear DH, and I can't wait to hear some results from those campaigns as well. Although the price is pretty high, I do see the great potential in what you're doing and wish you the best with it. If nothing else, you obviously inspired me (and not for the first time)!

                                                                                                                          -P
                                                                                                                          Thanks Jawanda, I understand the 10k package is a bit steep for a lot of webmasters/affiliates and we are taking steps to make this traffic available at a lower cost investment.

                                                                                                                          We should have it ready for next week so we will let everyone know when it's 100% ready to go

                                                                                                                          DH

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                                                                                                                            • GTS Mark
                                                                                                                              Vrume Mark
                                                                                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                              • 20912
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by xlogger
                                                                                                                              I would have never bought anything to any market. I am not a team player, i like to do things myself. So no fact in that.

                                                                                                                              Tell me who the big players are though. No one has yet to say they have bought anything.
                                                                                                                              I will send this thread to the people who have purchased from us and if they decide to post the fact that they bought a campaign from us they can. If they don't want to it's their business, but I'm not going to reveal their information without asking them first, we don't do business like that.

                                                                                                                              DH

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                                                                                                                                • Makingcoin
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                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2002
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                                                                                                                                  #33

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                                                                                                                                    • Makingcoin
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                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by DrinkingMODerately
                                                                                                                                      Thanks Jawanda, I understand the 10k package is a bit steep for a lot of webmasters/affiliates and we are taking steps to make this traffic available at a lower cost investment.

                                                                                                                                      We should have it ready for next week so we will let everyone know when it's 100% ready to go

                                                                                                                                      DH

                                                                                                                                      www.MAKINGCOIN.com
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                                                                                                                                        • xlogger
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                                                                                                                                            • WarChild
                                                                                                                                              Let slip the dogs of war.
                                                                                                                                              • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                              • 17263
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              I've actually got a guy working on p2p super node index poisioning .. So far the results have been promising.
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                                                                                                                                                • BV
                                                                                                                                                  wtf
                                                                                                                                                  • Sep 2001
                                                                                                                                                  • 10914
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  please post a drm clip you are sharing jawanda

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                                                                                                                                                    • Tat2Jr
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                                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                                      • 4882
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                                                                                                                                                      Screw the haters! Sounds like you're enjoying learning.
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                                                                                                                                                        • jawanda
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                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Tat2Jr
                                                                                                                                                          Screw the haters! Sounds like you're enjoying learning.

                                                                                                                                                          Thanks man, and yes I am

                                                                                                                                                          I got your ICQ request but have to run right now, please send me another one or a message and I'll get back to you later this evening.

                                                                                                                                                          Have a good one everybody and thanks for the good discussion!

                                                                                                                                                          -Phil

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                                                                                                                                                            • Trent Edison
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                                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                                              • 6132
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by DrinkingMODerately
                                                                                                                                                              I will send this thread to the people who have purchased from us and if they decide to post the fact that they bought a campaign from us they can. If they don't want to it's their business, but I'm not going to reveal their information without asking them first, we don't do business like that.

                                                                                                                                                              DH
                                                                                                                                                              Would be nice to see your clients' results as well as yours...

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                                                                                                                                                                • Xenophage
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2001
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                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Oil tops $70 a barrel stock market gonna suffer tomorrow !

                                                                                                                                                                  http://today.reuters.com/news/newsAr...Y-CRUDE-DC.XML


                                                                                                                                                                  fuck.. though this might be the catalyst to reach the bottom....

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                                                                                                                                                                    • Theo The Theologian
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2005
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                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by jawanda
                                                                                                                                                                      I started playing with p2p advertising about 6 years ago, after good old Andy Dunn mentioned it in his (much-missed) SexSwap newsletter. But once Windows Media Player started blocking script-based popups I gave up. .................s well.



                                                                                                                                                                      -Phil

                                                                                                                                                                      HAHA My old partner Tommy wrote that up, and submitted it to Andy.

                                                                                                                                                                      Try looking for opensource server clients. Google has lots of tools to get around the windows problem. ;)

                                                                                                                                                                      On a side note do you think that just anyone should be able to eat marshmallows? I think they are too tasty to be reserved for anyone but a few select people.


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                                                                                                                                                                        • Robx
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Nov 2004
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                                                                                                                                                                          If you're working on your own setup, please feel free to ICQ me if you would like any help or assistance.

                                                                                                                                                                          We're all very confident in our product at P2P Ads. It is unique, proven, and is capable of delivering an incredible amount of traffic. While it's quite easy to setup a simple system to share files, it's a completely different process to deliver high quality easily converted traffic to professional customers.

                                                                                                                                                                          So, if you need some help configuring your own setup, please feel free to contact me for details. I'll help the best I can so that we can all profit from a new source of traffic.

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                                                                                                                                                                            • jockboy60
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                                                                                                                                                                              • Nov 2001
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                                                                                                                                                                              Can't wait until there is something available to the average webmaster....
                                                                                                                                                                              Read my blog about my "marketing experiments" and whether they succeed or fail. http://www.mymarketingexperiment.com

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                                                                                                                                                                                • frankfortuna
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                                  Are there any products on the market or available from private developers that can be ramped up to produce the type of traffic p2pads is generating? If so, we'd be interested in hearing proposals.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • jockboy60
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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Nov 2001
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                                                                                                                                                                                      Good Luck
                                                                                                                                                                                      Read my blog about my "marketing experiments" and whether they succeed or fail. http://www.mymarketingexperiment.com

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Nysus
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2001
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                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          $10,000 I believe the cost is...

                                                                                                                                                                                          Only question you need to ask yourself is...

                                                                                                                                                                                          P2Pads.com -> If it's so good, why would you be offering it to others? At $10,000 a pop, I can see why.. you likely could make 80-90% more selling people a service at $10,000 than doing it solely by yourself.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Matt
                                                                                                                                                                                          What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now

                                                                                                                                                                                          Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*

                                                                                                                                                                                          See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Magnus
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                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by xlogger
                                                                                                                                                                                              Why? No one is buying there shit.
                                                                                                                                                                                              The fact is.. I have sold several P2P ads in the last month, but the best part is I don't give a fuck if you believe that or not. Anyone can get Peer traffic on a small scale and if you have the capital to go big all the power to you. We don't force people to buy traffic, we lay it out and the option is there for you, if you think it's not for you.. no probs.. if you want to buy, lets do business. But if you don't have the facts, STFU

                                                                                                                                                                                              Please drop by our booth in Vegas or if you are going to be at the Amsterdam show or in Curacao or Santa Monica please come by and say hello. Or call us? Your smart ass mouth wont go past your keyboard will they?
                                                                                                                                                                                              Magnus

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Frank The Tank
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  i had been thinking about doing something similar but ive avoided dodgy methods of advertising .. i may look into it further thoug
                                                                                                                                                                                                  aim : titanceltic icq : 307499327 Frank[@]babesandstuff.com

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