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  • TTiger
    Confirmed User
    • Mar 2002
    • 3030

    #1

    German Level 3 and Jugendschutz Censor Ogrish.com

    August 25, 2005
    German Level 3 and Jugendschutz Censor Ogrish.com

    To whom it may concern,

    It has recently come to our attention that several thousand European visitors have been denied access to Ogrish.com and we've received many complaints by visitors worried that we are blocking them.

    Initially, we believed this to be due to a temporary technical problem, however now?three weeks later?Ogrish.com is still blocked. After thorough investigation, we concluded that a German organization called "Jugendschutz.net" has been pressuring the American IP Carrier Level3 to block access to the Ogrish.com IP. Without an official legal order Level3 Germany went ahead with the block.
    Feel free to email Level3 at [email protected] or give them a call regarding this issue.

    Not only are many German ISPs affected by this unjust action, but ISPs in other European countries (who have nothing to do with the German legal system), such as Holland, France and Poland, are also being denied access because of this German block.

    This action is outright censorship and is not justified. Everything that can be seen on Ogrish.com is included in everyday life?it's grim reality presented in an unbiased way. Nobody is forced to look at this material and to discourage accidental viewing by sensitive or underage visitors, we have established a warning and age verification page for first time visitors. We may even consider a German-language warning page. However, please remember that limiting underage access to adult material is the responsibility of parents?and there's sufficient software to aid parents in this endeavor.

    With the nature of the Internet and free speech, it is up to the population to decide whether or not to visit Ogrish.com?the government should not make that decision for them.

    Germany is trying very hard to shut us down and the "Jugendschutz.net" organization previously contacted our advertisers and payment systems to try to do as much damage as possible.

    Obviously we will fight against these ridiculous actions.

    Sincerely,

    Ogrish.com
    http://www.ogrish.com/archives/germa...g_25_2005.html

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  • tradermcduck
    Confirmed User
    • Apr 2001
    • 2362

    #2
    Thanks for the info

    The guys from Jugendschutz.net are creazy
    MarkB

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    • lazzlo
      Confirmed User
      • Sep 2003
      • 3709

      #3
      i read that there today, weird, i hardly ever go there anymore.

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      • jizzy.b
        Registered User
        • Jul 2005
        • 58

        #4
        That's just the beginning. There will be a lot more censorship after the conservative partie has won the elections on 18.09.

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        • Max Cannon
          Confirmed User
          • May 2005
          • 277

          #5
          i can't see the page.
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          • Mr Dickovitch
            Confirmed User
            • Jul 2004
            • 1070

            #6
            Europe is so free and open.

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            • jimmyf
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              • Feb 2001
              • 12651

              #7
              Originally posted by Mr Dickovitch
              Europe is so free and open.
              most Europeans think it is anyways
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              • GotGauge
                Confirmed User
                • Nov 2001
                • 3072

                #8
                http://www.cox.com/ aka www.rr.com in my area,

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                If you call them and ask, they swear they do NOT block anything, it must be
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                I can NOT send an email that contains the URL's of some Adult Companies,
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                Think about people, using this ISP and wanting to write to customer service,
                For passwords, and or to cancel...

                I was told I could Email, and asked to be removed, but it would be a waste of time...

                I am not saying there are Not ways around this, like form mail on the site, but
                think about it, there is several cancel buttons, but people still email us to do it...


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                • u-Bob
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                  • Jul 2005
                  • 33063

                  #9
                  no block here... (I'm in the EU)

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                  • Veterans Day
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                    • Jul 2003
                    • 8403

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Mr Dickovitch
                    Europe is so free and open.
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                    • SilverTab
                      Confirmed User
                      • Nov 2001
                      • 5060

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Mr Dickovitch
                      Europe is so free and open.

                      LOL Maddox's page is blocked by a bunch of ISP in the US....you think europeans are the first one to do it?...
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                      • BigPinPin
                        Confirmed User
                        • May 2003
                        • 894

                        #12
                        Hmm, I am in germany right now. Ogrish loads perfect to me and I use the german telecom...so the biggest company in this fucked up country.

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                        • BigPinPin
                          Confirmed User
                          • May 2003
                          • 894

                          #13
                          BTW: Give jugendschutz.net no chance..they have no power outside germany and they try to do things, what are not even in the german law.....so fuck them and send them the paper back: 60 years ago, you guys tried it already one time !!! don“t try it a second time !!!

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                          • cambaby
                            So Fucking Banned
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 3141

                            #14
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                            • riddler
                              Confirmed User
                              • Oct 2004
                              • 3726

                              #15
                              i had a friend goto ogrish.com hes in germany and hes not blocked, its only selected areas.

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                              • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                • Mar 2003
                                • 30307

                                #16
                                You idiots file a law suit of some sort and make that money.

                                God damn...

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                                • MaDalton
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                                  • Feb 2004
                                  • 39861

                                  #17
                                  i can't access it - not that i care in this case. but in general these people at jugendschutz.net are really crazy - about the same way the religious rights are in the US
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                                  • Dirty F
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                                    • Jul 2001
                                    • 59204

                                    #18
                                    Already posted. Ofcourse.

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                                    • tradermcduck
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Apr 2001
                                      • 2362

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by BigPinPin
                                      BTW: Give jugendschutz.net no chance..they have no power outside germany and they try to do things, what are not even in the german law.....so fuck them and send them the paper back: 60 years ago, you guys tried it already one time !!! don“t try it a second time !!!
                                      MarkB

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                                      • cayne
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                                        • Jan 2004
                                        • 7475

                                        #20
                                        true, can't access the website...
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                                        • Tipsy
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Jul 2001
                                          • 6989

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Mr Dickovitch
                                          Europe is so free and open.
                                          Amazing how many in the US fail to understand that Europe isn't a country and that the obscenity laws and freedom of speech can vary hugely from country to country. Idiot.
                                          Ignorance is never bliss.

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                                          • mrthumbs
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                                            • Apr 2002
                                            • 11702

                                            #22
                                            Ogirsh has a Dutch owner.

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                                            • PixeLs
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                                              • Jul 2005
                                              • 11922

                                              #23
                                              Is this because why I can't open that beaten Iraq soldier clip?

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