Originally posted by Linkster
weather service says the surge could be 25 ft...
if thousands of people die, they asked for it by staying there.
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supposedly anything with a storm surge of over 10 ft. would kill the pumping system.
weather service says the surge could be 25 ft...
if thousands of people die, they asked for it by staying there.
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Linkster, you're one of the rare good ones! Latest news is the Mayor of NO ordered a mandatory evac. First time in history an entire American city has been ordered evac'd.Originally posted by Linkster
Category 5 with 175 mph winds. Mind you it hit Cat 5 at around 9-10 am their time which is a good sign that it will drop to a 4 or 3 overnight. when it hits land it should be survivable unless the waters near NO are very, very warm.
It may not be as disastrous as we fear. we have about 20 hours til it hits. Lots can happen in safety's favor.Comment
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Originally posted by Greg B
Greg, IMO, the problem with the Sarrif-Simpson scale is that it uses winds to gauge. Winds rarely pose the largest problem. It is rain. A 2 or 3 will usually do more damage as they move a bit slower.
Not telling you that, just bringing it up as a point.
This entire situation looks bad. It may rate as one of the worst tragedies in US history all said and done. I remember staying in Baton Rouge during George many years ago. The Cane diverted east during the last 10 hours, saving the city.
This does not appear to beof the same fortunes.Comment
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Military bases don't have room for civilians. When my son was in the USAF in Biloxi when Ivan came through, they were all put into classrooms (no windows) and were crammed in there pretty tight. Even after Ivan (which did no major damage) they had to reopen some dorm scheduled for demolition to house those USAF folks from Pensacola.
Not a lot of "extra" space in Military bases
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Good luck guys, I'd really hate to see New Orleans destroyed.Comment
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The problem with trying to evacuate that city is that the airport is out in Kenner - and the highway is jammed with people trying to get out - so you couldnt bus anyone out to the airport - also the airport is already closed so no commercial aircraft are available.
The evacuation plan calls for being able to evacuate 60% of the population -the rest is considered an acceptable loss in the worst case scenario
But - thats why they are saying to get the hell out of there now if you can
Most people just dont understand that a surge of 25 ft in New Orleans - will completly submerge every house - completely - like it was said earlier - the levees can take about a 10 ft surge - and the pumps in the city can only handle an inch of rain an hour
We're not talking about water coming inland 25 feet - this is a rise in the water level 25 feet - which added to the under sea level height of New Orleans and 20 foot waves on top of that water surge - the third floor of a building might be ok - if the building holds in the wind and water pressure
When Camille came in I remember that we were just praying and somehow got lucky that only 270 people got killed because it went east of NO - this storm is stronger, a lot bigger, and looks to be headed for a direct hit
Not an alarmist - just a realist and went through Camille and it suckedComment
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I've seen I-10 packed bumper to bumper during holiday weekends - it must be a parking lot right now.Comment
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People seem to forget how small New Orleans is.
please people, the towns aurrounding New Orleans,, The West Bank of the river below the crescent etc will all suffer more damage than "New Orleans" and have not been evacuated.
Dont rush to conclusions about evacuating a city. NOLA is small and they will do it to keep down the crime because of the projects and immediate ghettot areas of the lower 9th ward and shit.
Please, it goes much deeper than simply evacuating a city. First of, theres way more rural areas around there that will suffer. Anytime the mayor opens his mouth it makes the news, but dont let CNN hype on part of it and overlook another.
My family is in areas 2 miles from new orleans, and guess what - NO EVACUATION. Algiers is the point across the river from the city. That point will be under 10 foot of water and it is NOT connected to new orleans. Its part of "Old New Orleans" and any evacuation on that side of the river has nothing to do with one side.
Greater New Orleans has nothing to do with many citiessurrounding it. All of which are still filled with families not leaving.
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New Orleans will not only be screwed by Storm Surge if it is East of Katrina's landfall but also when the Mississippi floods. The levees will be breached by the surge. The continued flooding from the river through these damaged levees will just be the straw that breaks New orleans back. Hope you got to see it before this storm because it will never be the same again.
To everyone from that area I hope you have evacuated. May, somehow, everything turn out all right and all you own and everyone you know be safe to tell the tale of Katrina.
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I used to jog the levees in Algiers overlooking New Orleans.
You are right, if those levees break - Algiers, and many areas there will be bayoud.
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damn I'm really not having a good feeling about this storm hitting NO. I intended to go down there and meet up with Will and have a few drinks. I hope we have some place to go after this thing hits.Comment
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Fletch - I thought the put out mandatory evacuations for all the surrounding parishes yesterday - I know my friends in Houma say they have been ordered out alreadyComment
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I agree. There is an enormous contingency of people living in the swamps. Evacuation notices probably don't make it to them all the time, not to mention they can't read.Originally posted by Fletch XXX
All the areas surrounding NO are in grave danger. But NO has the vast majority of population and businesses.Comment
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Apparently there are still tourist in the French Quarters.Comment
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My family inhabits the areas from Lafitte, to Grand Isle, to Golden Meadow, Algiers, New Orleans, The Westbank mostly. Which spans from the swamps to the city. My family owns thousands of acres of swamps down there. While New Orleans is certainly the most well known, the area where jean Lafitte and baratarians fought for New Orleans is where I am from, so I know of the areas surrounding New Orleans and I know much of my family is still there. I just talked to my grandmother - she is sitting outside with my uncles preparing and telling me much of the family has stayed, some have evacuated.Originally posted by Linkster
I am not sure what is mandatory and where it is not. But I do know, that my family is right near new orleans and has not left. My mom has but grandmother and many have not.
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a dumb thing to say.Originally posted by WEG Cory
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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Explain?Comment
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I read a quote from a tourist down there, "the only dangerous hurricane is the one I'm drinkin"Originally posted by WEG Cory
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During George, people were talking about watching it from the hotels.Originally posted by cherrylula
I guess a "tsunami" has to hit every society....for people to get it.Comment
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Well wishes to your family man, maybe the area will dodge another bullet. Can't believe you mentioned Jean Lafitte, he's a distant relative of mine.Originally posted by Fletch XXXComment
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Many people say this.Originally posted by Ninja Scripts
Are you from the area?
I am directly from the Lafitte/bayou area. Grew up in those swamps, hell, i played hide and seek near a tree (one of the biggest cypressive seen ever) Lafitte was supposed to have made deals for spices under on old Lafitte larose Highway.
Our bloodline has been there since 1600s. We have entire cemetaries of bloodlines ranging from true blooded Baratarians (i am of this decent) and Creoles who held the cannons during the battle for New Orleans.
I take great pride in this lineage. Our people fought for the City Of New Orleans and were not soldiers, but everyday people fighting off an enemy.
My family is responsible for naming the streets from Lafitte Highway to West Jeff medical on the expressway going into new Orleans.
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Just because there's a "mandatory evacuation" doesn't mean the police are going door to door and forcing people to leave - especially in the rural areas. In fact, I've never even heard of someone forcibly being removed from their home in a mandatory evacuation. They CAN be arrested, but it's like driving 60 in a 55 zone.Comment
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Here's the most up to date list from the state police although I know that some have been changed to mandatory already as this was as of early this morning:Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Ascension Parish ? recommended evacuation at dawn today.
Assumption Parish ? recommended evacuation.
Jefferson Parish ? mandatory evacuation for Grand Isle, Crown Point, and Barateria recommended evacuations for the rest of the parish.
Lafourche Parish ? day break evacuation.
Orleans Parish ? recommended evacuation at this time.
Plaquemines Parish ? 50% of residents have evacuated so far, 40 percent to evacuate between 2 and 6 a.m. with the evacuation of all residents to be completed by 2 p.m. today.
St. Bernard Parish ? strong recommendation of evacuation.
St. Charles Parish ? mandatory evacuation as of 9 a.m. today.
St. James Parish ? recommended evacuation of low-lying areas for mobile and manufactured homes.
St. John Parish ? recommended evacuation is in place, if track of storm remains the same, a mandatory evacuation will be issued by 7 a.m.
Tangipahoa Parish ? precautionary evacuation is in place; further evacuation notification begins at 7 a.m. today.
Terrebone Parish ? recommended evacuation south of Intercoastal City will be made mandatory at 6 am Sunday. Recommended evacuation to continue for rest of parish.Comment
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I wasn't talking in sweeping statements. Literacy is a major issue in Louisiana. I had no idea it was up for debate.Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Born in Northern Louisiana. Lived in Baton Rouge a good while.Comment
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Thing is, some of my family are really involved with the city and local support, so they do not leave.Originally posted by Linkster
Grand Isle will ALWAYS be evacuated. I spent 2+ weeks on Grand Isle when I was a kid under 4 feet of water. The "island" is only like 3 miles wide, ig oes underwater if it rains too hard ;) The principal of Grand Isle school is a member of my family
All the houses are 6 feet off the ground. I sat out a very scary hurricane on that isle.
Grand Isle has suffered some of the worst ever, as I said, that is where I witnessed tug boats literally taken from the gulf and placed half a mile inland. Very scary. There are boats left from previous hurricanes on that little island.
After experiencing that, and seeing families lose their entire homes to collapse, I feel for the people and encourage them all to possibly look into moving. But like my family, they dont listen. Loyalty to homeland is too strong.
Places like grand isle HAVE to be evacuated, history teaches us so.
The Deadliest Hurricanes | Top
1. The Grand Isle Hurricane
Louisiana
September 1909
Death toll: At least 350
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basically 350 dead on grand isle is everyone on the island = dead
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i stayed on Grand Isle for weeks while it was totally under water. We tried to help families the most we could.
It was bad time for many.
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this is the hurricane I sat through on Grand Isle.
http://www.csc.noaa.gov/crs/cohab/hu.../juan/juan.htm
Hurricane Juan
Although only a category 1 hurricane, Juan ranks as the 8th costliest hurricane to strike the U.S. mainland. Juan's looping track made initial landfall on October 29 over south-central Louisiana. Rainfall totals from 5-10 inches caused flooding across coastal Texas, Louisiana and other regions of the southeastern U.S. Total damage was estimated at $1.5 billion dollars. The death toll due to Juan was 63.
i was young and had never witnessed death quite yet.
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Shit... Ive just got up - 175mph!
If they had a cat 6 this would be it.
Really - good luck people and be dont be a hero. Ive seen a few people say it already, one even here, that they are sending the family away and staying to protect the home. You cant fight this bitch.Comment
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oops, just realized I got owned on that linkhotten.
here is map.
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[QUOTE=Fletch XXX].
1. The Grand Isle Hurricane
Louisiana
September 1909
Death toll: At least 350
And that was only a Cat 3 with a pressure of around 950 mb - so winds in the 120 mph range
Everybody keeps comparing this current storm to Camille - although its actually stronger - but more importantly - its 3 times as big size wise and Camille had around 280 deaths in a low population strike area
I know how it goes though with family
Im north of you a little and we are the same way as far as staying put to help out where we can
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damn, I love that chicken from popeye's - gonna miss it
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I can't believe people are staying in the Superdome. Man, things are bad.Comment
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On either MSNBC or FOX I saw someone surfing in the ocean!! News reporter said "he's nuts", and all these people were standing on some small landing strip (don't know what it' s called) with waves going everywhere just looking at it like it's a sporting event or something. People are crazy!Comment
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Jeez! 10 hours til doomsday.
Fletch, feelin's for you man. My fam's old old old American too. Fought along side yours during the battle for N'Orleans.
The news said the storm surge is the thing to fear. I shit you guys not. I was doing my powerwalk to the store when the news story came over the tv ( my walkman carries tv signal ) about the devestation the storm surge can do and Mr. Mayfield from NOA said that if the storm surge is that powerful N'Orleans could no longer exist!
When he said that I froze in my tracks.
We underestimated this one. I only took notice when one of the local weathermen made it a point when Katrina was passing over Florida that the waters of the gulf were 90degrees and could easily fuel the storm back up.
Jeez, I can't believe I used the term 'passover'.
I would expect more tv news coverage of this disaster forthcoming.
The news said 100,000 people couldn't make it out because they're too old, ill, or poor.
Shows us how unprepared we are.
News said most of the National Guard from Louisianna are in Iraq! Their families have to fend for themselves.
Our troops overseas looking for non existant WMDs and elusive 6ft 4in warlords...
Leaves us way vulnerable don't it?
I have a feeling though, that somehow, some way a miracle will happen.Comment
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Fletch, KRL, Will76, did anyone hear news talk about after the storm the probability of disease from the stagnant water?Comment
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damn, i never got the chance to visit mardi gras...Comment
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There were pictures this morning of people in the Frech Quarters looking for safety.Originally posted by stev0
Unreal.Comment
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