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  • Dirty F
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Jul 2001
    • 59204

    #1

    I just read that Level 3 blocked Ogrish.com

    If this is true then its a sad day in internet history. BW providers blocking sites is very bad imo. And hopefully theyre not starting a trend.
    I really think its up to me which sites i want to see and not anyone else.
  • jimmyf
    OU812
    • Feb 2001
    • 12651

    #2
    Originally posted by Franck
    If this is true then its a sad day in internet history. BW providers blocking sites is very bad imo. And hopefully theyre not starting a trend.
    I really think its up to me which sites i want to see and not anyone else.

    the only reason I can think of, they would block them is

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    • Triple 6
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      • Feb 2002
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      #3
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      • pr0
        rockin tha trailerpark
        • May 2001
        • 23088

        #4
        like i've been preaching for years, spam filters & image scanners set on isp's can be used to filter web content

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        • Paul
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          • Nov 2002
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          #5
          I bet within 10 years the internet will be a LOT more censored, this is the first wave and there isn't much we can do to stop it.

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          • iBanker
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            • Dec 2004
            • 2758

            #6
            Originally posted by Coatsy
            I bet within 10 years the internet will be a LOT more censored, this is the first wave and there isn't much we can do to stop it.
            Yup. And if people dont do anything about it now, then it become "the norm".....


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            • Machete_
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              • Oct 2002
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              #7
              Originally posted by Coatsy
              and there isn't much we can do to stop it.
              yes.. get your shit straight and stop making sites like ogrish.com

              there is no need for people to see dead or mauled people, animal or anything like that

              Just like the porn industry didnt take care of the problem with underaged content, so will the rest of the internet be controlled by goverments and ISP's because of shitty people like those behing ogrish

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              • pr0
                rockin tha trailerpark
                • May 2001
                • 23088

                #8
                Originally posted by ebus_dk
                yes.. get your shit straight and stop making sites like ogrish.com

                hitty people like those behing ogrish
                maybe my views on right & wrong are a bit skewed

                but uhhhh, showing dead u.s. soldiers might be just the medicine to show the american public right alongside those of the hero dropping a laser guided bomb on a munitions factory

                its called the 1st ammendment, and if war & death is obscenity...our country was founded on obscenity and thus obscenity is covered
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                • After Shock Media
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                  • Mar 2001
                  • 35299

                  #9
                  Originally posted by ebus_dk
                  yes.. get your shit straight and stop making sites like ogrish.com

                  there is no need for people to see dead or mauled people, animal or anything like that

                  Just like the porn industry didnt take care of the problem with underaged content, so will the rest of the internet be controlled by goverments and ISP's because of shitty people like those behing ogrish
                  Underage content = generally illegal.
                  Dead and or mauled people and animals = perfectly legal content.

                  I never visit orgish as I have zero desire to see what they distribute. Though I am doing what I have the right to do and that is not visit them. Nobody has the right to censor them in this country at least. In the US the freedom of speach is designed and set up to protect those that offend us and I would have it no other way.

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                  • Machete_
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                    • Oct 2002
                    • 14579

                    #10
                    Originally posted by pr0
                    maybe my views on right & wrong are a bit skewed

                    but uhhhh, showing dead u.s. soldiers might be just the medicine to show the american public right alongside those of the hero dropping a laser guided bomb on a munitions factory

                    its called the 1st ammendment, and if war & death is obscenity...our country was founded on obscenity and thus obscenity is covered
                    you are 100% entitled to your own opinion, but everyone with the slightest common sense cant be surprised that they in time will ban sites like ogrish.. come on .. serious

                    If they in the future find a 100% bulletproof way to validate age on surfers, then fine,but as long as 9 year old kids can find those pages, then I really don't have a problem with ISP's closing it down...

                    but again... you are entitled to your own opinion..

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                    • Paul
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                      • Nov 2002
                      • 2637

                      #11
                      Originally posted by ebus_dk
                      yes.. get your shit straight and stop making sites like ogrish.com

                      there is no need for people to see dead or mauled people, animal or anything like that

                      Just like the porn industry didnt take care of the problem with underaged content, so will the rest of the internet be controlled by goverments and ISP's because of shitty people like those behing ogrish
                      I think your missing the point, this is the start of the censorship of the internet. This is NOT a good thing, sure its fine when things you agree with are being censored but I doubt you would feel the same way if things like porn, gambling etc became censored as well.

                      Thats the point of this thread

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                      • fris
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                        • Aug 2002
                        • 55789

                        #12
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                        • Machete_
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by After Shock Media
                          Underage content = generally illegal.
                          Dead and or mauled people and animals = perfectly legal content.

                          I never visit orgish as I have zero desire to see what they distribute. Though I am doing what I have the right to do and that is not visit them. Nobody has the right to censor them in this country at least. In the US the freedom of speach is designed and set up to protect those that offend us and I would have it no other way.
                          Just because its legal, doesnt mean its a good thing to do, or someone SHOULD do it. There should be things like common sense and taste, that is more important than what is legal

                          .. just my .. It would be fine by me if they closed sites like that down

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                          • After Shock Media
                            It's coming look busy
                            • Mar 2001
                            • 35299

                            #14
                            Originally posted by ebus_dk
                            Just because its legal, doesnt mean its a good thing to do, or someone SHOULD do it. There should be things like common sense and taste, that is more important than what is legal

                            .. just my .. It would be fine by me if they closed sites like that down
                            Will not say someone should do it or it is a good thing to do. I am just firmly stating that they have every right to do what they do even if they offend everyone in the process.
                            Offensive speach always needs to be protected. Specially considering what anyone does is generally offensive to someone and it would never just stop with one person being silenced.

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                            • Machete_
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                              • Oct 2002
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Coatsy
                              I think your missing the point, this is the start of the censorship of the internet. This is NOT a good thing, sure its fine when things you agree with are being censored but I doubt you would feel the same way if things like porn, gambling etc became censored as well.

                              Thats the point of this thread

                              The start? hahaha - you must be kidding.. there have been censorship since the day the internet started. Warning pages, 2257, who-is info, visa-rules, local government laws, minimal ages... its all censorship. And why should the internet be any different than any other media? Why not the same laws as magasines or news chanals?

                              do you think they would make a ogrish chanel for TV? i don't think that would ever bee allowed - and hope not

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                              • dynastoned
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                                • Feb 2005
                                • 5061

                                #16
                                Originally posted by ebus_dk
                                you are 100% entitled to your own opinion, but everyone with the slightest common sense cant be surprised that they in time will ban sites like ogrish.. come on .. serious

                                If they in the future find a 100% bulletproof way to validate age on surfers, then fine,but as long as 9 year old kids can find those pages, then I really don't have a problem with ISP's closing it down...

                                but again... you are entitled to your own opinion..

                                and if you dont have one, buy my e-book [Getting your own opinion in 24 hours - by Sybex and Kristoffer]
                                porn is ok for 9 year olds but not ogrish?

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                                • BRISK
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                                  • Feb 2003
                                  • 12240

                                  #17
                                  If it's true, than that's sad.

                                  Censorship is bad.
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                                  • pr0
                                    rockin tha trailerpark
                                    • May 2001
                                    • 23088

                                    #18
                                    censorship is really bad....i'd love to hear jim, or anyone from the techie crew, or anyone from the orgish people post here
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                                    • Machete_
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                                      • Oct 2002
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by dynastoned
                                      porn is ok for 9 year olds but not ogrish?
                                      No - I dont think porn hurt a child the same way, but I still don't want my kids to watch porn... seeing a man ripped apart, dead people with blood all over yes.. that is bad.

                                      you can get pretty good sex filters today. I have installed server based filters at some of out customers that don't want people to surf porn during work-hours, but there isn't any "ogreish filters"

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                                      • kektex
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                                        • Mar 2005
                                        • 1813

                                        #20
                                        I dunno but don`t you think maybe ogrish is the first step? I find it funny that an adult webmaster can find a reason to support censorship of a site even if he finds it lacking taste...
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                                        • pr0
                                          rockin tha trailerpark
                                          • May 2001
                                          • 23088

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by kektex
                                          I dunno but don`t you think maybe ogrish is the first step? I find it funny that an adult webmaster can find a reason to support censorship of a site even if he finds it lacking taste...
                                          exactly...any form of censorship of an image or audio, or text should be protected under the 1st

                                          unfortunately some people like sick shit, it doesn't mean we should ammend it
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                                          • Machete_
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by kektex
                                            I dunno but don`t you think maybe ogrish is the first step? I find it funny that an adult webmaster can find a reason to support censorship of a site even if he finds it lacking taste...
                                            No, not at all. I think the overall plan is to set the same rules for the internet, as there is for magazines and television channels, and I don't have a problem with that.

                                            with freedom of speech, comes a responsibility - if we cant handle that, the freedom will be taken away.

                                            Its like handguns - the reason why its outlawed a lot of places in the world, is because people cant handle the freedom.

                                            thats my

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                                            • jayeff
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                                              • May 2001
                                              • 2944

                                              #23
                                              Whether content is legal or illegal, business owners have the right to distance themselves from anything they consider pornographic or otherwise undesirable.

                                              I don't have a whole lot of patience with people getting on the censorship bandwagon. Movies, TV and the print media are censored. There are laws dictating what you can do in your own home, never mind in public. So if you really give a damn about censorship, there are many more worthwhile issues with which to concern yourself. Of course, most of them won't get you sig placements.

                                              From a business point of view, supporting (and tolerating is supporting) extreme sites is foolish and short-sighted. If you operate "regular" porn sites you gain nothing from such support and they make the perfect target for interest groups which won't hesitate to brand less extreme sites with the same label, given half a chance.

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                                              • Machete_
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by jayeff
                                                Whether content is legal or illegal, business owners have the right to distance themselves from anything they consider pornographic or otherwise undesirable.

                                                I don't have a whole lot of patience with people getting on the censorship bandwagon. Movies, TV and the print media are censored. There are laws dictating what you can do in your own home, never mind in public. So if you really give a damn about censorship, there are many more worthwhile issues with which to concern yourself. Of course, most of them won't get you sig placements.

                                                From a business point of view, supporting (and tolerating is supporting) extreme sites is foolish and short-sighted. If you operate "regular" porn sites you gain nothing from such support and they make the perfect target for interest groups which won't hesitate to brand less extreme sites with the same label, given half a chance.
                                                Exactly what I was trying to say with my bad English

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                                                    • pr0
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                                                      • May 2001
                                                      • 23088

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by jayeff
                                                      Whether content is legal or illegal, business owners have the right to distance themselves from anything they consider pornographic or otherwise undesirable.

                                                      I don't have a whole lot of patience with people getting on the censorship bandwagon. Movies, TV and the print media are censored. There are laws dictating what you can do in your own home, never mind in public. So if you really give a damn about censorship, there are many more worthwhile issues with which to concern yourself. Of course, most of them won't get you sig placements.

                                                      From a business point of view, supporting (and tolerating is supporting) extreme sites is foolish and short-sighted. If you operate "regular" porn sites you gain nothing from such support and they make the perfect target for interest groups which won't hesitate to brand less extreme sites with the same label, given half a chance.
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                                                      But since i work on the internet & people like to post their cock on a dating site, i'll take up the cause of anti-censorship on the net
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                                                      • CheeseFrog
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                                                        • Dec 2003
                                                        • 1724

                                                        #28
                                                        Isn't a lot of the stuff featured on Ogrish considered "snuff" content? IIRC, that's right up there with CP, maybe even worse. I'm just surprised the site has been up for as long as it has w/o attracting much attention.
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                                                        • Machete_
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by pr0
                                                          If i smoked weed for a living i'd be helping out NORML

                                                          If i was a gay man i'd be working on my rights to pound ass & get married.

                                                          But since i work on the internet & people like to post their cock on a dating site, i'll take up the cause of anti-censorship on the net

                                                          I think you have to go beyond posting on GFY to make a difference

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                                                          • BRISK
                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                            • Feb 2003
                                                            • 12240

                                                            #30
                                                            a German organization called "Jugendschutz.net" has been pressuring the American IP Carrier Level3 to block access to the Ogrish.com IP. Without an official legal order Level3 Germany went ahead with the block.

                                                            Not only are many German ISPs affected by this unjust action, but ISPs in other European countries (who have nothing to do with the German legal system), such as Holland, France and Poland, are also being denied access because of this German block.
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                                                            • pr0
                                                              rockin tha trailerpark
                                                              • May 2001
                                                              • 23088

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by BRISK
                                                              a German organization called "Jugendschutz.net" has been pressuring the American IP Carrier Level3 to block access to the Ogrish.com IP. Without an official legal order Level3 Germany went ahead with the block.

                                                              Not only are many German ISPs affected by this unjust action, but ISPs in other European countries (who have nothing to do with the German legal system), such as Holland, France and Poland, are also being denied access because of this German block.
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                                                              • Doctor Dre
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                                                                • Jan 2001
                                                                • 51692

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Coatsy
                                                                I bet within 10 years the internet will be a LOT more censored, this is the first wave and there isn't much we can do to stop it.
                                                                this is both .. .bad AND good . Some sites are going way too far
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                                                                • Antonio
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                                                                  • Oct 2001
                                                                  • 14136

                                                                  #33
                                                                  I hate sites like Ogrish.com and I'm pob the only one that hasn't seen one of those decapitating videos, and I'd like to keep that way, but Internet censorship is a really BAD news (talking about legal content)

                                                                  I have to agree with ebus_dk though, there should be a way to prtect kids from viewing sites like that by accident (cause if they want to visit these sites nothing can stop them, the average 12 years old is much more computer savvy than his dad)

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                                                                  • BRISK
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                                                                    • Feb 2003
                                                                    • 12240

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Antonio
                                                                    there should be a way to prtect kids from viewing sites like that by accident
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                                                                    • Furious_Male
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                                                                      • Oct 2003
                                                                      • 16884

                                                                      #35
                                                                      I dont believe in everything ogrish shows (by believe I mean thinking it should be shown re: other peoples misery etc.) however I do support there right to show it.

                                                                      Ogrish may be on the extreme end but the censorship won't stop there. Next grey area sites will start getting banned.

                                                                      No censorship as long as its legal.
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                                                                      • Dirty D
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                                                                        • May 2002
                                                                        • 4044

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Germany has been trying to block/shutdown Ogrish for a few years.

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                                                                        • Antonio
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                                                                          • Oct 2001
                                                                          • 14136

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by BRISK
                                                                          there're a like 100 sites like that, I'm thinking more like cutting the acces to similar sites on a ISP level, which is not neceseraly a bad thing IMO

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                                                                          • beemk
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                                                                            • Jan 2002
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            i think ogrish is sick, but its legal so i dont think any bandwidth providers should have the right to censor it for other people to see.
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                                                                            • Drake
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                                                                              • Mar 2003
                                                                              • 12508

                                                                              #39
                                                                              I can get to it.

                                                                              It's posted on their site:
                                                                              http://www.ogrish.com/archives/germa...g_25_2005.html


                                                                              German Level 3 and Jugendschutz Censor Ogrish.com
                                                                              To whom it may concern,

                                                                              It has recently come to our attention that several thousand European visitors have been denied access to Ogrish.com and we've received many complaints by visitors worried that we are blocking them.

                                                                              Initially, we believed this to be due to a temporary technical problem, however now?three weeks later?Ogrish.com is still blocked. After thorough investigation, we concluded that a German organization called "Jugendschutz.net" has been pressuring the American IP Carrier Level3 to block access to the Ogrish.com IP. Without an official legal order Level3 Germany went ahead with the block.
                                                                              Feel free to email Level3 at [email protected] or give them a call regarding this issue.

                                                                              Not only are many German ISPs affected by this unjust action, but ISPs in other European countries (who have nothing to do with the German legal system), such as Holland, France and Poland, are also being denied access because of this German block.

                                                                              This action is outright censorship and is not justified. Everything that can be seen on Ogrish.com is included in everyday life?it's grim reality presented in an unbiased way. Nobody is forced to look at this material and to discourage accidental viewing by sensitive or underage visitors, we have established a warning and age verification page for first time visitors. We may even consider a German-language warning page. However, please remember that limiting underage access to adult material is the responsibility of parents?and there's sufficient software to aid parents in this endeavor.

                                                                              With the nature of the Internet and free speech, it is up to the population to decide whether or not to visit Ogrish.com?the government should not make that decision for them.

                                                                              Germany is trying very hard to shut us down and the "Jugendschutz.net" organization previously contacted our advertisers and payment systems to try to do as much damage as possible.

                                                                              Obviously we will fight against these ridiculous actions.

                                                                              Sincerely,

                                                                              Ogrish.com

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                                                                              • wjxxx
                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                • Feb 2005
                                                                                • 4448

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by BRISK
                                                                                a German organization called "Jugendschutz.net" has been pressuring the American IP Carrier Level3 to block access to the Ogrish.com IP. Without an official legal order Level3 Germany went ahead with the block.
                                                                                fucking Nazis

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                                                                                • mardigras
                                                                                  Bon temps!
                                                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                                                  • 14194

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by ebus_dk
                                                                                  No - I dont think porn hurt a child the same way, but I still don't want my kids to watch porn...
                                                                                  Then don't let them surf the net unattended. Simple.
                                                                                  Few things piss me off more than people who want to take away my rights to protect their children.
                                                                                  Originally posted by ebus_dk
                                                                                  you can get pretty good sex filters today. I have installed server based filters at some of out customers that don't want people to surf porn during work-hours, but there isn't any "ogreish filters"
                                                                                  Again, simple. If someone has "sex filters" at work but is so concerned with other sites their employees are surfing then don't filter out, filter in. Employees shouldn't have the time to surf that many websites on the job, so have them request that sites they wish to view on the job be added to the "allowed" filter. Hell, if you're that concerned with your employees morality just disable all web access not required for the job.
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                                                                                  • pr0
                                                                                    rockin tha trailerpark
                                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                                    • 23088

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    i give that german site about 5 hours before every computer is hacked in their little punk ass office once some german kid finds out he can't get on orgish (based on principle) not on lack of ability to bypass level3
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                                                                                      #43
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