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If that's the case, then I applaud you for doing the right thing. It's a shame that it had to come to this though. And I think you've under-estimated how much this has affected you. You just haven't seen the fallout yet.. -
no one was lied to.. relax yourself... bobbi went on vacation, allen went on vacation along with 100 other things going on at the same time.. so he didnt have a chance,,, as i said in the previous post,,, she's gotten the ICQ with the links to the photos....Originally posted by Bill308os
my last post here,,, goodbyeComment
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(damn, missed the 200 NO PRINTS FOR TIME photographers)
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Fuck this entire thread. All I know is Allen is one of the most responsible people I know. I'd trust him with my penis. Not that he's ever touched it before, or like I would WANT him to. I am just saying.... shit this sounds bad.Comment
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wow ... That was some turn around ... as soon as a few known models came out and said we are no longer going to shoot ...the back peddling started ... I've been guilty of blowing up on GFY but never back peddle ... just roll with it and try to avoid it in the future ... it just looks weak ..
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get ur story straight,,, there was only 1 model,,, no one said their no longer gonna shoot.. we dont even shoot for anyone... no one is back peddling,, she was gonna get her pix,, she pissed us off, shit went out of proportionOriginally posted by MikeVegawow ... That was some turn around ... as soon as a few known models came out and said we are no longer going to shoot ...the back peddling started ... I've been guilty of blowing up on GFY but never back peddle ... just roll with it and try to avoid it in the future ... it just looks weak ..Comment
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yea just people talkin out of their assOriginally posted by BradMComment
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From Shap..."I?ve been interested in doing business with you for quiteOriginally posted by Abyss_Vee
some time. After this thread that has totally changed."
From Stewie..."Vanilla was planning to do some shoots with Al next
month, but after everything I've read here, I don't think she'll be going."
Vee, you can think what you want but the fact is that your business and
your reputation has been damaged because of this. Shap and Stewie are only
two people who had the balls to post that had thought about doing business
with you in the future but have decided not to after what happened here.
How many other people reading this board have decided to not do business with
you because of this? Give that some thought bro'.........Comment
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He may very well be a "responsible person", but how do you think they handled themselves in this thread? You approve of them withholding images for four months and then trashing a model when she finally brings it to the boards in order to get some sort of resolution?Originally posted by BradMComment
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Damn....you need some new friends bro'Originally posted by BradM
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Mike, don't get down on him. HE DID THE RIGHT THING.Originally posted by MikeVegawow ... That was some turn around ... as soon as a few known models came out and said we are no longer going to shoot ...the back peddling started ... I've been guilty of blowing up on GFY but never back peddle ... just roll with it and try to avoid it in the future ... it just looks weak ..
Fuck all this ego and "looking weak".. REAL men stand up and take responsibility when they make mistakes.Comment
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Originally posted by Abyss_Vee
I agree it went out of proportion and i think you took some heat. I'm not saying that your bad guys or that your company is bad ... I'm just saying that things changed really fast after Stewie said he will not be sending Vanilla to shoot with you guys and Snap said he will no longer work with ya ..
Post #157Originally posted by shap
Post #160Originally posted by StewieGood post... Vanilla was planning to do some shoots with Al next month, but after everything I've read here, I don't think she'll be going.
Post 167 back peddling starts :that's what it looked like to me .. I hope you can see how it would look that way ..Originally posted by Abyss_Vee
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Originally posted by Big E
I agree ..when your wrong you should admit it ... i'm just saying learn from it and try not to make that mistake again .. i've done it .. I think he did the right thing ...
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Yeah, sorry about the Mikey.. I misunderstood your previous message - I thought you were giving him shit for "backing down" (implying that he should have stood his ground). My bad.
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as much as i would like to work with shap, we wont be able to anyway and i do appreciate him complementing our work.,, so its not about that. like i said in previous post,, we havnt shot content for over a year,, just some promo stuff here and there... just to clarify, that is not the reason i stopped this drama,, i just got tired of a thread leading nowhere...Originally posted by MikeVegaComment
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Originally posted by Abyss_Vee
I hear ya ... i agree it was dragging on and going nowhere .. I'm glad you guys settled it and i wasn't trying to call you out or call ya weak ..
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Originally posted by MikeVega
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See...I told you all that things would be OK. There was nothing to worry about.
We are very sorry for the delay but the product was delivered via the internet
today. You should also receive a CD in the mail with these same images. As soon
as we are able to put our hands on the tracking number... we will provide that
to you. Everyone is happy now yes?Comment
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funny guy......Originally posted by DeanCapture
See...I told you all that things would be OK. There was nothing to worry about.
We are very sorry for the delay but the product was delivered via the internet
today. You should also receive a CD in the mail with these same images. As soon
as we are able to put our hands on the tracking number... we will provide that
to you. Everyone is happy now yes?Comment
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We weren't going to post in this thread originally, as it started as a he-said/she-said situation, and ourOriginally posted by DeanCapture wouldn't have meant much... However, our decision to cancel shoots and post here came from rude and unprofessional manner which Al and Vee handled the entire situation on the board. Even if Al had been in the right (which it's obvious that it is not the case), the way they attacked and treated Bobbi and her supporters here spoke volumes to me about their attitude towards business and the models themselves... I would never ask Vanilla to work in that type of environment, no matter who was shooting.
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It's a pretty sad situation, but I'm sure it occurs very frequently in the industry. Most models are unable to fight back and we never hear any of this stuff. Bobbi just happens to be a strong-willed woman who has a lot of friends..Comment
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Yeah true, models are fucked about a lot in this biz.Originally posted by Big E
I sent you and icq a few minutes ago did you get it?Comment
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I'm sure I did, but unfortunately, that's my office ICQ. You can hit me up in email if you like!Originally posted by warrenComment
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what up dean o?
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Hey! I just started posting here a few days ago...really cool forum to hang out at. oh yes!! I didn't realize Stan talked to you about me because he is always raving about you to me...haha he is a character for sure!Originally posted by Bobbi Doll
I live in Van. but I got to LA every few months for shoots and fun. I have plans to go out there in Ocotober if you will be around.
I would love to hear your thoughts and reply to my post if you get a chance!!! http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=505592Comment
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Bump till Bobby gets her pics and an apology."WTF, on google you can find the answer to every question in human history, EXCEPT how to convert cams..
Its crazy..."
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Thanks hun! Although I doubt I will ever get an apology, I would like to say that I did finally get my pics. Thanks Abyss Al & Abyss Vee!Originally posted by lazycashComment
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Hey Jen,Originally posted by modeljenhiltonHey! I just started posting here a few days ago...really cool forum to hang out at. oh yes!! I didn't realize Stan talked to you about me because he is always raving about you to me...haha he is a character for sure!
I live in Van. but I got to LA every few months for shoots and fun. I have plans to go out there in Ocotober if you will be around.
I would love to hear your thoughts and reply to my post if you get a chance!!! http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=505592
Yeah... he's quite interesting! Too funny that he's raving about me to you and you to me. Maybe he's trying to hook us up... hahaha!
Anyway, I replied to your post over there so check it out.
And I'd love to hook up and do a shoot if I am around when you come out in October. I know that I am going to be doing some traveling, but hopefully we can coordinate our schedules. If not, put me in for first dibs on your next trip out here. Are you French Canadian or just Canadian? My mom's French Canadian.
XoXoX,
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Awesome! Do you have an email addy? I can let you know when I get my dates figured out.Originally posted by Bobbi DollHey Jen,
Yeah... he's quite interesting! Too funny that he's raving about me to you and you to me. Maybe he's trying to hook us up... hahaha!
Anyway, I replied to your post over there so check it out.
And I'd love to hook up and do a shoot if I am around when you come out in October. I know that I am going to be doing some traveling, but hopefully we can coordinate our schedules. If not, put me in for first dibs on your next trip out here. Are you French Canadian or just Canadian? My mom's French Canadian.
XoXoX,
BB
Till I was 14 I was in french immersion in school so I was pretty awesome with it. I still know it and can speak it but not as great...you speak french? I am from Vancouver so not really french canada.=P
P.S. THANK YOU FOR POSTING ON MY THREAD!
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Bump for BB...K R I S T E N
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Bump for what? its overOriginally posted by XBizKristen
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Yeah, there's a contact me link on my website. And you can also reach me on the ICQ # from my signature.Originally posted by modeljenhiltonAwesome! Do you have an email addy? I can let you know when I get my dates figured out.
Till I was 14 I was in french immersion in school so I was pretty awesome with it. I still know it and can speak it but not as great...you speak french? I am from Vancouver so not really french canada.=P
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Yes, u are right...its been resolved...Im a dunceOriginally posted by XclusiveVeezz KK
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Well, at least...partially resolved. I think an apology is in order from Al forOriginally posted by XBizKristenYes, u are right...its been resolved...Im a dunce KK
jerking Bobbi around for 4 months before giving her those pics that he owed
her. It wasn't until some of her friends made a big deal of it that he finally
decided to give her what he promised. Had "we" not got involved, he
probably would have screwed her out of those pictures or at least waited
another 4 months to send them over. He ignored her, he lied to her, he insulted
her and then tried to make it seem that it was all her fault that she hadn't
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I dont understand why you guys keep on bumping this thread.. its over, so get over it and relaxOriginally posted by DeanCapture
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Originally posted by XclusiveVeezz
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Originally posted by DeanCapture
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All I see is a bunch of photographers swarming in here to stomp on Abyss to look good.
Abyss is a very talented photographer. Better than some of the guys in here trying to look good.
Dismissing business with him would be foolish.Comment
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Hey man...why do you keep bumping this thread?Originally posted by XclusiveVeezz
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Abyss is a very talented shooter...I'll give you that. I don't think anyone hasOriginally posted by Out Of Order
said anything negative about his shooting. How he handled this situation
however is another matter. Just because your a great shooter doesn't mean
that your a good person, that your honest, reliable or have integrity. I'm very
pissed at Al for behaving like this because I'm a photographer in the same
industry as he is and what he did to Bobbi gives all us photographers a black
eye and makes it harder for models to trust us. Get the picture?Comment
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So you are saying he is not trust worthy to do business with.Originally posted by DeanCapture
I wonder about you're own integrity to continue attacking him on a deal that went bad and could have been resolved without any of this being an issue.
A simple matter of miscommunication and all his trust and business acumen is shot to hell.
You are full of shit.Last edited by Out Of Order; 08-22-2005, 10:39 AM.Comment
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I never said he was not trustworthy to do business with...I'll let everyoneOriginally posted by Out Of Order
decide that for themselves. All I said was it sucked that he jerked Bobbi around
for 4 months without giving her the pictures that he owed her. He lied to her,
he insulted her and then he tried to make her think it was her own fault for
not getting the pictures. If that's the kind of "trustworthy" person you want
to do business with...be my guest.
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i didn't want to get any more involved with this idiocy... but here...
THE ONLY REASON i went off at her is because we spoke that morning and had resolved this issue on icq..
told her ince it was uploaded, she would get the link, or if my employees had sent it out, shed get the tracking..... before i could even get to the office, she had made the post....
i gotta say though.. it was kinda smart of her.... with her new site design out, what better way to get some sig views for herself than this... then immediatley followed by her "fansign" thread.... good job....
EMAIL: allen @ vasmediagroup.com | ICQ: 311329761 | SKYPE: abyss.al | AIM: xABYSSxALxComment
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Looks Like Little Miss BB has been on a promo angle all along.Comment
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If Al would have delivered those pics in a timely manner...none of this wouldOriginally posted by Out Of Order
have ever hit this board. All I saw was a model who was promised pictures from
a session that happened 4 months ago getting jerked around by a photographer
and trying to get what was promised. Al may be a good shooter, but he takes
no responsibility for his actions and that's bad news for people who are
thinking about doing business with him. All he had to do was say that he fucked
up and then take care of the situation immediately. Instead, he continued to
jerk her around for months instead of taking 10 minutes to burn a CD and mail
it out. Does Al treat his clients this way or only the girls that he shoots?
I'm not gonna post anymore in this thread....so say what you want. Al fucked
up royally this time and just doens't have the balls to admit and doesn't have
the integrity to apologize to BB for treating her like a pile of shit. 99 percent
of the people in this thread agree with me.
Cheers,Last edited by DeanCapture; 08-22-2005, 11:01 AM.Comment
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Perhaps Miss BB owes Abyss an apology as well.
Prepping and correcting her photos for release and spending the time to work with her on his own time as well and talent.
He was obviously busy.
Do you think the photos were not being released because of some evil spite issue on his part? BB does not deserve an apology in my opinion, if anyone should get an apology it should be Abyss.
You two were quick to come in and slander him. She got message that the photos were finally comming and she made this thread while he was enroute to upload them for her even. Look at his 1st response in this thread look at his second.
Of course you do not want to post in this thread anymore Dean...
You are looking like a desperate whore while stepping on a comrad to look better and Bobbu just wants to be the innocent while promoting herself at his expense.
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Oh my god! *Eye Roll* Do you think this proves your case? You told me that they were to be next day aired last time we spoke on the day I first posted this thread. Then you said you had already sent it and would get me the tracking number when you got to the office. Then I waited all day and nothing AGAIN for like the 80th time so I asked you on here. That's when you flipped the fuck out and threatened me and said if I spoke again, you would delete all of my pictures. Your ICQ proves nothing. Oh and stop telling people I'm a liar and get out a mirror buddy. I haven't lied once. But you have. You said you had sent the photos next day air and that you would get me a tracking number. Hey Al? Just curious? What was that tracking number for that non existant make believe package you sent me anyway? I think Dean was right all along. I got my pictures and they were all dark as fuck. Don't make me post a gallery of dark unusable images Mr. Self Proclaimed "I NEVER FUCK UP EVER".Originally posted by abyss_ali didn't want to get any more involved with this idiocy... but here...
THE ONLY REASON i went off at her is because we spoke that morning and had resolved this issue on icq..
told her ince it was uploaded, she would get the link, or if my employees had sent it out, shed get the tracking..... before i could even get to the office, she had made the post....
i gotta say though.. it was kinda smart of her.... with her new site design out, what better way to get some sig views for herself than this... then immediatley followed by her "fansign" thread.... good job....Comment
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